Hitler´s last hours

"There was no need, since they had a good treaty relationship.
But it was western capitalists funding Hitler who insisted."
Apparently you've never read Mein Kampf.

The book "Mein Kampf" was deliberate propaganda, intended for mass consumption, NOT what Hitler actually thought.
What you should read instead is the Molotov/Ribbentrop treaty to divide Poland.
Or look into how Hitler and Stalin shared tank technology and development.
 
You’re an imbecile. And you lap up bullshit. The only thing you know about history appears to be disinformation. Your ignorance is astounding. gfy.

Are you suggesting the "Night of the Long Knives" did not happen, and that Hitler did not have Roehm killed, along with all the other socialists?


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The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), or the Röhm purge, also called Operation Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934. Chancellor Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his power and alleviate the concerns of the German military about the role of Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazis' paramilitary organization, known colloquially as "Brownshirts". Nazi propaganda presented the murders as a preventive measure against an alleged imminent coup by the SA under Röhm – the so-called Röhm Putsch.

The primary instruments of Hitler's action, which carried out most of the killings, were the Schutzstaffel (SS) paramilitary force under Himmler and its Security Service (SD), and Gestapo (secret police) under Reinhard Heydrich. Göring's personal police battalion also took part in the killings. Many of those killed in the purge were leaders of the SA, the best-known being Röhm himself, the SA's chief of staff and one of Hitler's longtime supporters and allies. Leading members of the leftist-leaning Strasserist faction of the Nazi Party, including its figurehead, Gregor Strasser, were also killed, as were establishment conservatives and anti-Nazis, such as former Chancellor Kurt von Schleicher and Bavarian politician Gustav Ritter von Kahr, who had suppressed Hitler's Munich Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. The murders of SA leaders were also intended to improve the image of the Hitler government with a German public that was increasingly critical of thuggish SA tactics.

Hitler saw the independence of the SA and the penchant of its members for street violence as a direct threat to his newly gained political power. He also wanted to appease leaders of the Reichswehr, the German military, who feared and despised the SA as a potential rival, in particular because of Röhm's ambition to merge the army and the SA under his own leadership. Additionally, Hitler was uncomfortable with Röhm's outspoken support for a "second revolution" to redistribute wealth. In Röhm's view, President Hindenburg's appointment of Hitler as chancellor on January 30, 1933, had brought the Nazi Party to power, but had left unfulfilled the party's larger goals. Finally, Hitler used the purge to attack or eliminate German critics of his new regime, especially those loyal to Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen, as well as to settle scores with old enemies.[a]

At least 85 people died during the purge, although the final death toll may have been in the hundreds,Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia[c][d] with high estimates running from 700 to 1,000.[1] More than a thousand perceived opponents were arrested.[2] The purge strengthened and consolidated the support of the military for Hitler.
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The SS were totally capitalist right wing military and aristocracy.
The SA were the socialists.
 
The book "Mein Kampf" was deliberate propaganda, intended for mass consumption, NOT what Hitler actually thought.
What you should read instead is the Molotov/Ribbentrop treaty to divide Poland.
Or look into how Hitler and Stalin shared tank technology and development.
Hitler's hatred of Communism and thus Russia was "propaganda"?
OK, Sparky.
 
Are you suggesting the "Night of the Long Knives" did not happen, and that Hitler did not have Roehm killed, along with all the other socialists?


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The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), or the Röhm purge, also called Operation Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934. Chancellor Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his power and alleviate the concerns of the German military about the role of Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazis' paramilitary organization, known colloquially as "Brownshirts". Nazi propaganda presented the murders as a preventive measure against an alleged imminent coup by the SA under Röhm – the so-called Röhm Putsch.

The primary instruments of Hitler's action, which carried out most of the killings, were the Schutzstaffel (SS) paramilitary force under Himmler and its Security Service (SD), and Gestapo (secret police) under Reinhard Heydrich. Göring's personal police battalion also took part in the killings. Many of those killed in the purge were leaders of the SA, the best-known being Röhm himself, the SA's chief of staff and one of Hitler's longtime supporters and allies. Leading members of the leftist-leaning Strasserist faction of the Nazi Party, including its figurehead, Gregor Strasser, were also killed, as were establishment conservatives and anti-Nazis, such as former Chancellor Kurt von Schleicher and Bavarian politician Gustav Ritter von Kahr, who had suppressed Hitler's Munich Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. The murders of SA leaders were also intended to improve the image of the Hitler government with a German public that was increasingly critical of thuggish SA tactics.

Hitler saw the independence of the SA and the penchant of its members for street violence as a direct threat to his newly gained political power. He also wanted to appease leaders of the Reichswehr, the German military, who feared and despised the SA as a potential rival, in particular because of Röhm's ambition to merge the army and the SA under his own leadership. Additionally, Hitler was uncomfortable with Röhm's outspoken support for a "second revolution" to redistribute wealth. In Röhm's view, President Hindenburg's appointment of Hitler as chancellor on January 30, 1933, had brought the Nazi Party to power, but had left unfulfilled the party's larger goals. Finally, Hitler used the purge to attack or eliminate German critics of his new regime, especially those loyal to Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen, as well as to settle scores with old enemies.[a]

At least 85 people died during the purge, although the final death toll may have been in the hundreds,Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia[c][d] with high estimates running from 700 to 1,000.[1] More than a thousand perceived opponents were arrested.[2] The purge strengthened and consolidated the support of the military for Hitler.
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The SS were totally capitalist right wing military and aristocracy.
The SA were the socialists.
No. I’m saying you’re an imbecile.
 
Do you have any proof of that?

Not at my finger tips any more.
But after Hitler was let out of jail for his failed putsch, he somehow was able to afford all these huge outdoor sporting arena events, from city to city.
If you look at Std Oil, GM, US Steel, etc., they invested heavily in Germany during this time.
There is also evidence these companies stayed supporting both sides of the war, during WWII, and deliberately leaked military technology back and forth.
The capitalists were mostly interested in profits, and war is always profitable, but it was also the capitalists who insisted in attacking Russia, which was not practical or in line with Hitler's previous close association with Stalin.
 
not Irrelevant----the article is spot on----adolf did USE
the term "SOCIALIST" and "WORKER'S PARTY" in order to advance his nationalist, racist policies

Until 1933 when Hitler was given the choice of becoming Chancellor if he turned anti-socialist.
 
Again, I dare anyone to try to name any socialist company that Hitler nationalized.
If Hitler was a socialist, then where is the evidence of government ownership of the means of production?
The reality is Germany during WWII was a capitalist oligarchy of the aristocracy, military, and corporations.
 
not Irrelevant----the article is spot on----adolf did USE
the term "SOCIALIST" and "WORKER'S PARTY" in order to advance his nationalist, racist policies
Irrelevant.

We know what NAZI stood for.

The tip off was in the name. Go figure.
 
We aren't really sure of Hitler's last hours because American troops were ordered to stand back and allow the Soviet hoard to take Berlin. They might have been more interested in raping German women than recovering Hitler's remains.
 
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Most of this will fly at Mach speeds miles over the little tiny pinhead of Rigby. But here is a piece from 2019 that in many ways captures the topic pretty well:


If the Nazi German state didn’t outright own the means of production, they controlled it which effectively amounts to the same thing.

The Nazi government did not own the means of production in Germany, but they certainly controlled them. They set up control boards, cartels, and state-sponsored monopolies and konzerns, which they then carefully planned and regulated.Democratic socialists don’t believe in total government ownership of the means of production, nor do they wish to technocratically manage the economy.

Industrial leaders hardly objected. In surrendering control of their enterprises to the state, they insulated themselves from market forces, ensuring they’d remain at the top of their respective industries.
Id.

Since the very term “socialism” has been redefined many times (to the point where it has lost much of its meaning over time), this discussion is complicated by the fact that many people don’t am even agree on basic premises and definitions.

But despite that, to argue that ducking Hitler was “right” about much of anything gives that scumbag far too much credit. And it costs the person making that claim all kinds of credibility.
 

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