Hmmm....girl shot in London...but they don't have the 2nd Amendment there....

[Road Runner]

To British women....guns are not "scary," they are a tool......

Which they should know that already because of the British army.

 

[Vagabond63]

Also.....those doors and expensive windows ....they can't be carried around by the woman....

Well, we were talking about a woman living alone being afraid that someone might break in, now you move the goalposts as soon as a viable solution is proposed, typical "snake oil" fear peddling. Did you know only 15% of rapes in the UK in 2020 were carried out by strangers? In every other case the rapist was well known to the victim, usually an ex-or current partner, or "friend" or "workmate". People who would know if the victim was armed in any event, so a gun would be useless.

Go fear-monger somewhere else.

 

[Vagabond63]

To British women....guns are not "scary," they are a tool......

Poor woman, suppose she has to learn how to use a gun, if she's going to marry an American and live in such an uncivilised country. She wouldn't need a gun for self defence in the UK or anywhere else in Europe, still I do miss going to my gun club and firing off a few rounds, it was fun, but sooner or later we all have to grow up.

 

[2aguy]

Well, we were talking about a woman living alone being afraid that someone might break in, now you move the goalposts as soon as a viable solution is proposed, typical "snake oil" fear peddling. Did you know only 15% of rapes in the UK in 2020 were carried out by strangers? In every other case the rapist was well known to the victim, usually an ex-or current partner, or "friend" or "workmate". People who would know if the victim was armed in any event, so a gun would be useless.

Go fear-monger somewhere else.

Wow….I am sure that the women raped by strangers take great comfort in that statistic……and the women whose ex husbands or boyfriends rape them, guys they know, would like to have had the option of shooting them out of their sox…..

 

[2aguy]

Poor woman, suppose she has to learn how to use a gun, if she's going to marry an American and live in such an uncivilised country. She wouldn't need a gun for self defence in the UK or anywhere else in Europe, still I do miss going to my gun club and firing off a few rounds, it was fun, but sooner or later we all have to grow up.

Yes…..there is no such thing as violent crime in the U.K. And there never will be…..you live in peaceful bliss among the unicorns and yard gnomes…….rape and murder are just illusions in the U.K…..

 

[Open Bolt]

In every other case the rapist was well known to the victim, usually an ex-or current partner, or "friend" or "workmate". People who would know if the victim was armed in any event, so a gun would be useless.

Hardly useless.

She wouldn't need a gun for self defence in the UK

Rather, she would be told that she doesn't need a gun, and then be prevented from having it, because in the UK she would be nothing but a serf.

or anywhere else in Europe,

Not true. There is plenty of freedom in the arc of countries that ranges from Finland down through Switzerland.

still I do miss going to my gun club and firing off a few rounds, it was fun, but sooner or later we all have to grow up.

In free countries, grown ups are allowed to shoot guns.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

In free countries, grown ups are allowed to shoot guns.

 

[Vagabond63]

Wow….I am sure that the women raped by strangers take great comfort in that statistic……and the women whose ex husbands or boyfriends rape them, guys they know, would like to have had the option of shooting them out of their sox…..

*sigh* Once again you resort to facetious sarcasm, as if rapists go around advertising their intent. In cases where ex partners are involved, what makes you think they wouldn't know that their victim was armed and where they kept the weapon? If they subsequently shot their attacker they would risk being charged with manslaughter at the very least, because in civilised countries, your right to defend yourself is limited to using proportionate force.

Yes…..there is no such thing as violent crime in the U.K. And there never will be…..you live in peaceful bliss among the unicorns and yard gnomes…….rape and murder are just illusions in the U.K…..

Point out to me please, where I have ever stated that there is no such thing as violent crime, I'll wait. Oh, and they're called garden gnomes, do keep up.

 

[Vagabond63]

Hardly useless.

See post #68

Rather, she would be told that she doesn't need a gun, and then be prevented from having it, because in the UK she would be nothing but a serf.

As opposed to America where she is constantly told (manipulated) that she needs a gun by the fear mongering gun lobby tyring to boost gun sales.

Not true. There is plenty of freedom in the arc of countries that ranges from Finland down through Switzerland.

Not for self defence, and all these countries have strong gun control legislation.

In free countries, grown ups are allowed to shoot guns.

Yes, they are. However they need to obtain a licence, register their weapons and only use them on a registered shooting range or for sport when the season permits, except for a few less civilised countries where their populations are allowed to believe they are free, while being manipluated by a wealthy predatory group that puts profits before people.

 

[2aguy]

*sigh* Once again you resort to facetious sarcasm, as if rapists go around advertising their intent. In cases where ex partners are involved, what makes you think they wouldn't know that their victim was armed and where they kept the weapon? If they subsequently shot their attacker they would risk being charged with manslaughter at the very least, because in civilised countries, your right to defend yourself is limited to using proportionate force.

Point out to me please, where I have ever stated that there is no such thing as violent crime, I'll wait. Oh, and they're called garden gnomes, do keep up.

So...you would rather leave the woman defenseless in the face of a violent ex?

Proportionate force against a rapist is lethal force.....

 

[2aguy]

See post #68

As opposed to America where she is constantly told (manipulated) that she needs a gun by the fear mongering gun lobby tyring to boost gun sales.

Not for self defence, and all these countries have strong gun control legislation.

Yes, they are. However they need to obtain a licence, register their weapons and only use them on a registered shooting range or for sport when the season permits, except for a few less civilised countries where their populations are allowed to believe they are free, while being manipluated by a wealthy predatory group that puts profits before people.

Yes...we know...

A woman who doesn't want to be raped in a park, her home, a tube station.....cannot get a license to own or carry a gun because self defense is not a valid reason to own a gun...

The member of the House of Lords who wants to take his rich buddies quail hunting on one of his many estates can easily get a license because quail hunting by a member of the House of Lords, is a valid reason....

 

[2aguy]

See post #68

As opposed to America where she is constantly told (manipulated) that she needs a gun by the fear mongering gun lobby tyring to boost gun sales.

Not for self defence, and all these countries have strong gun control legislation.

Yes, they are. However they need to obtain a licence, register their weapons and only use them on a registered shooting range or for sport when the season permits, except for a few less civilised countries where their populations are allowed to believe they are free, while being manipluated by a wealthy predatory group that puts profits before people.

Less Civilized, like Europe......World War 1, World War 2, 15 million innocent men, women and children murdered by the socialists and the countries they occupied...after taking away their guns in the 1920s and 30s....on the promise that giving up their guns would make them safer....

Europe is far from civilized......and without the U.S. keeping you guys from killing each other, you would have commenced the slaughter, again, decades ago...

 

[Open Bolt]

In cases where ex partners are involved, what makes you think they wouldn't know that their victim was armed and where they kept the weapon?

Presumably that place would be in a holster on her person. I don't see how the bad guy having this knowledge would prevent her from defending herself if necessary.

If they subsequently shot their attacker they would risk being charged with manslaughter at the very least, because in civilised countries, your right to defend yourself is limited to using proportionate force.

Proportionate force against a rapist is a magazine full of hollowpoints through both the heart and spine.

Not for self defence,

That is incorrect. The Czech Republic has strong self defense rights. So do the three Baltic states.

Austria, Slovakia, and Poland are not quite as strong in self defense rights, but they do have self defense rights there as well.

and all these countries have strong gun control legislation.

That depends on what strong means. Their laws are not all that much stronger than US gun laws.

And Switzerland has gun control not because they ever needed it, but only because the EU forced it on them. They did just fine with no gun control before the EU.

 

[Vagabond63]

So...you would rather leave the woman defenseless in the face of a violent ex?

Proportionate force against a rapist is lethal force.....

Who says I would, and since when does the crime of rape carry a death penalty? There are other strategies women can adopt, for example, as delineated here.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/03616843211043948#_i14

More and more parents in the UK are enrolling their girl children in self defence courses, guns are not the only solution.

 

[Vagabond63]

A woman who doesn't want to be raped in a park, her home, a tube station.....cannot get a license to own or carry a gun because self defense is not a valid reason to own a gun...

As I've said, there are other stategies available, guns are not the only solution.

The member of the House of Lords who wants to take his rich buddies quail hunting on one of his many estates can easily get a license because quail hunting by a member of the House of Lords, is a valid reason....

Erm, we don't hunt quail in the UK, do keep up.

 

[Vagabond63]

Less Civilized, like Europe......World War 1, World War 2,

Yes, we have moved on, unlike America, which appears to be regressing into the "Wild West". As someone once said, "America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without ever knowing civilization."

 

[2aguy]

Who says I would, and since when does the crime of rape carry a death penalty? There are other strategies women can adopt, for example, as delineated here.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/03616843211043948#_i14

More and more parents in the UK are enrolling their girl children in self defence courses, guns are not the only solution.

The most effective tool is a gun. A woman is smaller and less strong than even small men......and having practiced martial arts my entire life, I can tell you, that most women are not going to be able to defeat a man in hand to hand combat, let alone if he has a knife, gun or club ........or if there is more than one......

 

[2aguy]

Yes, we have moved on, unlike America, which appears to be regressing into the "Wild West". As someone once said, "America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without ever knowing civilization."

You think you have improved, but you have imported violent, 3rd world males from war torn countries ....and they don't care about your norms, your police, or your culture..... the Mayor of London stated that women are not safe on London streets.....

 

[2aguy]

Who says I would, and since when does the crime of rape carry a death penalty? There are other strategies women can adopt, for example, as delineated here.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/03616843211043948#_i14

More and more parents in the UK are enrolling their girl children in self defence courses, guns are not the only solution.

Wow.....that link is funny........I didn't know you were a comedian........pushing off a drunk gropper isn't the same as the violent monster grabbing them at the tube station....

 

[Vagabond63]

That depends on what strong means.

We don't give guns away like confetti; anyone in Europe who wants a gun has to have good reason, be trained in its use and safety, apply for a license and store the gun securely when not in use. Some countries allow "self defence" as a reason, but the applicant must be able to demonstrate they are in much greater danger than the general population, to get a licence for that reason.

And Switzerland has gun control not because they ever needed it, but only because the EU forced it on them. They did just fine with no gun control before the EU.

The last person to try to force the Swiss to do anything they didn't want to do, was Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy in the 15th century, look him up.