jknowgood
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- Aug 12, 2010
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I try to be civil, but it always don't work out that way. I am also a sinner. LolWe will have to agree to disagree.The guy that studies the bible has no clearer idea then the next guy. You are letting someone else define what is important and he's not on speed dial with god. And you have a hard time making me understand because you aren't able to provide any credence to your claim that baking a wedding cake is supporting their lifestyle. In the end its not even the main issue. Morality in modern day society is governed by laws. We have come a long way since the days of the Old Testament were the bible was the law. I don't think you would want to life in a society that would still consider the bible a law book. Yet the religious right constantly pushes for letting that viewpoint permeate modern day society. The example of the baker is a symptom not a cause. As I pointed out to Grampa, allowing people to discriminate based on race is a slippery slope to the social acceptance of racism. Discriminating on the bases of religious beliefs is an honest to god important step to a theocracy. Gay people are a minority and as such are in constant danger of discrimination to begin with. I personally think it a good thing when that is stopped before it turns into something uglier.Look two consenting adults can do just about anything. Just don't ask me to support it. My pastor had several bible verses for his sermon like he always does. The ones he referenced about gay marriage. The point out of the 6 or so verses is that marriage is between a man and woman, BUT you hate the sin, not the sinner. So there fore if you are gay I can love you for the person you are, but don't ask me to support your lifestyle. Like the baker sold the couple things off the shelf, but he didn't want to support what he knows is a sin. Why can't you get that through your head. 2 Thessalonians 3:10, if you don't work you don't eat. See I can cherry pick verses, but of course God wants us to help those in need. You have to read the bible to understand it. You also need to listen to a pastor to interpret for you also. The guy that studies the bible.I'm pretty sure all the references you refer too is against being gay. Not against them getting cake. And I freely admit that I pick my verses to fit my agenda, my point is so do you. I don't claim that I'm religious, you are. Furthermore you are claiming that love can be perverse between 2 consenting adults, because that's what your INTERPRETATION of the bible says. I also want to know how supporting, even if you could make a case that's what baking a wedding cake is ( Something you haven't done) makes us look Sodom and Gomorrah? A gay person is gay not because of a choice he makes. It's HIS or HERS sexual orientation. It's not contagious. My daughter is best friends with a daughter of a lesbian couple. I have no fear that she will turn out that way. Like I said it's not contagious and I'm not afraid because I don't judge people by who they have sex with. I want my daughter to be happy so why would I be afraid because she finds someone she could love?Compassion and love are central in the New Testament, but since you feel being gay is perverse and some book that claims its alright to stone people for adultery confirms that viewpoint, you feel you can forego these values.There are references in Matthew, Luke, and John. I used the New testament because it's written after jesus died on the cross. The baker said it is against his religion. You Nick pick a couple of verses to fit your agenda. Ever read about Sodom and Gomorrah? The further we support perverse things, the more we are looking like that city.Really? Your religion offers you the option to cherry pick what you find important? How does that selection work? And how can you then honestly claim your following god's word if you feel free to ignore those pieces you don't agree with? And what's more, what reasoning is there to legislate or discriminate on the basis from it? As to your question. Pretty smart one actually, I could be dishonest and say "sure", or deflect and say something like they wouldn't be good at cooking something they never can taste, but since I'm an honest man I concede the point, no I wouldn't force them to do something that's against their religion. Having said that it still hinges on your ability to prove that making a wedding cake is against your religious beliefs. So point me to the relevant passage in the bible that prohibits the making of wedding cakes for gay couples. As you stated hate the sin not the sinner. It looks something like this.
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah.”
[Al-Qur’an 5:3]