Honoring The Sacrifices Of The Soviet Union in WWII….Really?

[harmonica]

Show me one battle where Allied troops were forced to advance by “friendly” tanks and machine guns pointed at their backs.

that in no way comes close to refuting my point

 

[AZrailwhale]

..the Russians are the ones who gave hitler the biggest defeats/etc ......22 June 1941 was the day that determined the outcome of the war ....yes, they were our Allies

The Soviets,not the Russians, had no choice. Hitler planned to destroy them. Even if they had stayed “neutral” just selling the Germans resources, the Western Allies would have still beaten Germany, and withoutthe horrible losses the Soviets suffered. Leaving the Soviets out of the equation, Germany was against the two largest economies on the planet. It would have taken longer, but the end would have been the same. Clouds of RAF and USAAF fighters and bombers in total control of the air and the vaunted German army starving with no fuel or munitions to fight. More men, horses, tanks and trucks just means a larger number of starving out of fuel troops eating their millions of draft horses to survive. Throughout the war, most Getmrman combat formations depended on horse drawn wagons for both mobility and supplies.

 

[AZrailwhale]

that in no way comes close to refuting my point

It makes the point that Allied losses were the result of bad decisions and Soviet losses were deliberate policy of the state.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Patton, correctly, called the ending disposition of WWII a huge strategic failure for the USA and Brits leaving great European Capitals in the hands of the descendants of Genghis Khan

Our USMB Progressives, never having lived under Communism or even knowing how Communism operates, are quick to defend FDR's Master, Uncle Joe

 

[Unkotare]

..the Russians are the ones who gave hitler the biggest defeats/etc ......22 June 1941 was the day that determined the outcome of the war ....yes, they were our Allies

You fucking commie sympathizer.

 

[harmonica]

You fucking commie sympathizer.

hitler and stalin were ok, they just went a little too far

 

[mikegriffith1]

Anyone who wants to grasp just how vicious, cruel, and lawless the Soviets were during World War II, and how shamefully FDR kowtowed to them, should read historian Sean McMeekin's new book Stalin's War: A New History of World War II.

Stalin made Hitler look like an amateur when it came to committing mass murder and imposing tyranny. When the Soviet invaded and captured Poland, the Poles quickly discovered that Soviet rule was far worse than German rule.

 

[harmonica]

AZrailwhale
both sides made bad decisions/etc.....war is not like making a sandwich...there is much to it......a LOT of it [ war/battles ] has to do with LOGISTICS
......Rapido is a perfect example of an idiot American general forcing troops into a kill zone .....
......plain and simple, the Allied leaders were not GODs who were PERFECT

 

[rightwinger]

The Soviets did nothing for the Western Allies. Stalin regarded the Western Allies as much enemies as he did the Nazis. Everyone involved were the class enemies of the Soviets.

Before Hitler turned on Stalin, Stalin planned to get rich selling the Germans resources while waiting for the capitalists to weaken each other for easy overthrow or capture by communists. Once Stalin was forced into the war by Hitler’s betrayal, he spent the next four years extorting money and supplies from the Western Allies while treating their active personnel and internees as prisoners.
He stole western tech, to the point of making direct copies of the three B-29s that he interned while treating their crews like prisoners instead of returning, at least, the crews to US forces. Calling the USSR an ally is really stretching things. Japan was more of a ally to Germany than the USSR was to the Western Allies.

The Soviets did most of the fighting and dying against the Germans while the other allies procrastinated over starting a new front
By D Day, the Soviets already had the Nazis on the run

 

[harmonica]

The Soviets did most of the fighting and dying against the Germans while the other allies procrastinated over starting a new front
By D Day, the Soviets already had the Nazis on the run

..the other fronts were very tiny compared to the OstFront

 

[rightwinger]

The Soviets,not the Russians, had no choice. Hitler planned to destroy them. Even if they had stayed “neutral” just selling the Germans resources, the Western Allies would have still beaten Germany, and withoutthe horrible losses the Soviets suffered. Leaving the Soviets out of the equation, Germany was against the two largest economies on the planet. It would have taken longer, but the end would have been the same. Clouds of RAF and USAAF fighters and bombers in total control of the air and the vaunted German army starving with no fuel or munitions to fight. More men, horses, tanks and trucks just means a larger number of starving out of fuel troops eating their millions of draft horses to survive. Throughout the war, most Getmrman combat formations depended on horse drawn wagons for both mobility and supplies.

It is unlikely the West would have defeated the Germans without the Soviets engaging the bulk of their top Divisions

While the Soviets were willing to suffer mass casualties in defending their homeland, it is unlikely the other allies would be willing to sacrifice millions to liberate France, Belgium, Norway and the Netherlands
Germany would have offered a truce and we would have accepted

 

[Unkotare]

hitler and stalin were ok, they just went a little too far

They were fucking scum, like you.

 

[harmonica]

They were fucking scum, like you.

hahahahHAHHAHAHAHAHAH--good laughs on Saturday --mucho thanks

 

[Correll]

The Soviets did nothing for the Western Allies. Stalin regarded the Western Allies as much enemies as he did the Nazis. Everyone involved were the class enemies of the Soviets.

Before Hitler turned on Stalin, Stalin planned to get rich selling the Germans resources while waiting for the capitalists to weaken each other for easy overthrow or capture by communists. Once Stalin was forced into the war by Hitler’s betrayal, he spent the next four years extorting money and supplies from the Western Allies while treating their active personnel and internees as prisoners.
He stole western tech, to the point of making direct copies of the three B-29s that he interned while treating their crews like prisoners instead of returning, at least, the crews to US forces. Calling the USSR an ally is really stretching things. Japan was more of a ally to Germany than the USSR was to the Western Allies.

Agreed. THe way that FDR trusted that commie, were fucking retarded.

 

[rightwinger]

Agreed. THe way that FDR trusted that commie, were fucking retarded.

FDR got Stalin to do most of the fighting and dying while he procrastinated on an invasion

Saved 100,000 US lives or more

 

[Correll]

FDR got Stalin to do most of the fighting and dying while he procrastinated on an invasion

Saved 100,000 US lives or more

He should not have done Lend Lease to the Soviets, he should not have allowed pro-soviet propaganda in the US, and he should not have gone to Yalta, he was too old and sick to negotiate.

Hell, he should not have run for his final term.

 

[rightwinger]

He should not have done Lend Lease to the Soviets, he should not have allowed pro-soviet propaganda in the US, and he should not have gone to Yalta, he was too old and sick to negotiate.

Hell, he should not have run for his final term.

We give you equipment, you fight and die with it so we don’t have to
Good deal for us

In Yalta, FDR gave Stalin land he had already captured. We were not going to dislodge the Soviet forces

 

[Unkotare]

He should not have done Lend Lease to the Soviets, he should not have allowed pro-soviet propaganda in the US, and he should not have gone to Yalta, he was too old and sick to negotiate.

Hell, he should not have run for his final term.

He shouldn't have run for his FIRST term.

 

[Correll]

We give you equipment, you fight and die with it so we don’t have to
Good deal for us

In Yalta, FDR gave Stalin land he had already captured. We were not going to dislodge the Soviet forces

They could have done their dying closer to Moscow. The Cold War would have bene much less scary if the Iron Curtain was the Polish Russian border instead of in the middle of Germany.


NOt to mention generations of whole nations, avoiding totalitarian oppression and mass murder.

 

[harmonica]

We give you equipment, you fight and die with it so we don’t have to
Good deal for us

In Yalta, FDR gave Stalin land he had already captured. We were not going to dislodge the Soviet forces

exactly