How are we going to stop the liberal war on free speech and conservative voices?

[martybegan]

it's my admittedly fuzzy concept of a digital commons.

Well, it's a chew toy for this dog. The conflation of economic and political power is one of the biggest problems in public policy, in my view. Socialists aggressively promote the idea that they are one in the same - because the want to control both - but I think it's a mistake.

As do I, however capitalism, which separating them de jure, has the result of people with more economic power having easier access to more political power.

The question of who is controlling government, and how, is entirely separate from the question of what government is empowered to do. In fact, empowering government to interfere with private business creates overwhelming incentive for businesses to control government. Often it's a matter of survival.

I suppose it's a chicken and egg then, but it really doesn't matter who started it. Breaking the chain should be the goal.

And replacing it with what?

Well, I was talking about collusion between government and business. I don't want to "replace" it with anything.

i say less collusion and more interaction, and you can't prevent interaction unless you somehow say that when you try to make $$ you lose all your constitutional rights.

 

[dblack]

i say less collusion and more interaction

Meaning?

 

[martybegan]

i say less collusion and more interaction

Meaning?

Meaning people throw around the word collusion to much without actually meaning what the word means.

Not all interaction is collusion.

 

[Cecilie1200]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

What do you propose? In the case of FB, it's a private company. In the case of Colleges - some are private, some are public.

Do you propose interfering in private companies? If so - what about the conservative dominated media?

If colleges get ANY public funding it should be stripped of they persist with the nonsense. And Facebook needs to burn in hell but people are too stupid to give it up. Gotta tell ma & pa what I had for dinner yo. Beyond stupid. Social media is a poison even without the political bullshit. As for Hollywood I pirate every single movie they make, fuckem. Act like a douche I'll just steal your licensed material.

I disagree.

They should provide a fair assortment of diverse views. They don't HAVE to provide a platform for EVERY speaker. They shouldn't, for example, have to provide a platform for Neo-Nazi's. At this point though - I question whether they are providing enough diverse views - that is the purpose of college, regardless of whether public money is involved or not. And - keep in mind, protests are also free speech, as long as they are peaceful.

Colleges don't necessarily need to facilitate every speaker with campus space and funds, because obviously those things are in limited supply. They should NOT, however, be actively blocking speakers people want to hear.

And we're so far beyond "peaceful protests" at this point, we can't even see 'em from where we stand.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What do you propose? In the case of FB, it's a private company. In the case of Colleges - some are private, some are public.

Do you propose interfering in private companies? If so - what about the conservative dominated media?

If colleges get ANY public funding it should be stripped of they persist with the nonsense. And Facebook needs to burn in hell but people are too stupid to give it up. Gotta tell ma & pa what I had for dinner yo. Beyond stupid. Social media is a poison even without the political bullshit. As for Hollywood I pirate every single movie they make, fuckem. Act like a douche I'll just steal your licensed material.

I disagree.

They should provide a fair assortment of diverse views. They don't HAVE to provide a platform for EVERY speaker. They shouldn't, for example, have to provide a platform for Neo-Nazi's. At this point though - I question whether they are providing enough diverse views - that is the purpose of college, regardless of whether public money is involved or not. And - keep in mind, protests are also free speech, as long as they are peaceful.

Of course you disagree because it isn't your point of view or values being squashed like a bug.

She disagrees because your statement is factually wrong – and no one’s point of view or values are being ‘squashed like a bug.’

Again, state colleges and universities are held to the same First Amendment requirements, subject to the same First Amendment case law.

And like other rights, the rights enshrined in the First Amendment are not unlimited, it is not a right to say anything one wises anywhere he wishes at any time he wishes.

State colleges and universities are allowed by the First Amendment to take steps to ensure the public safety when rightwing speech seeks to incite imminent lawlessness or violence, where no free speech rights are ‘violated.’

Can you point to any occasion where a "right-winger" incited lawlessness or violence on a college campus that justified that college denying other "right-wingers" access to speak when requested by student groups?

Lefties believe that the right "incites" them to violence merely by existing. If they would just stop having those pesky dissenting opinions, leftists wouldn't be "forced" to riot and loot and beat people up.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Giving over a major player in the social media game to progressive wholesale isn't either.

Where's the emoji of a head banging against a wall?

I get your dilema, and the more I think about it, the more constitutional issues I see with my proposal.

At a minimum facebook should be forced to clearly elaborate on their posting policies, and be forced to state who they want to ban, and what they consider inappropriate posts.

I think fair advertising is a reasonable thing to require, given that we require it from every other business in America.

 

[hadit]

If colleges get ANY public funding it should be stripped of they persist with the nonsense. And Facebook needs to burn in hell but people are too stupid to give it up. Gotta tell ma & pa what I had for dinner yo. Beyond stupid. Social media is a poison even without the political bullshit. As for Hollywood I pirate every single movie they make, fuckem. Act like a douche I'll just steal your licensed material.

I disagree.

They should provide a fair assortment of diverse views. They don't HAVE to provide a platform for EVERY speaker. They shouldn't, for example, have to provide a platform for Neo-Nazi's. At this point though - I question whether they are providing enough diverse views - that is the purpose of college, regardless of whether public money is involved or not. And - keep in mind, protests are also free speech, as long as they are peaceful.

Of course you disagree because it isn't your point of view or values being squashed like a bug.

She disagrees because your statement is factually wrong – and no one’s point of view or values are being ‘squashed like a bug.’

Again, state colleges and universities are held to the same First Amendment requirements, subject to the same First Amendment case law.

And like other rights, the rights enshrined in the First Amendment are not unlimited, it is not a right to say anything one wises anywhere he wishes at any time he wishes.

State colleges and universities are allowed by the First Amendment to take steps to ensure the public safety when rightwing speech seeks to incite imminent lawlessness or violence, where no free speech rights are ‘violated.’

Can you point to any occasion where a "right-winger" incited lawlessness or violence on a college campus that justified that college denying other "right-wingers" access to speak when requested by student groups?

Lefties believe that the right "incites" them to violence merely by existing. If they would just stop having those pesky dissenting opinions, leftists wouldn't be "forced" to riot and loot and beat people up.

Exactly. I hear incitement given as an excuse for violent behavior, but conservative speakers on campus are not advocating violence.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I disagree.

They should provide a fair assortment of diverse views. They don't HAVE to provide a platform for EVERY speaker. They shouldn't, for example, have to provide a platform for Neo-Nazi's. At this point though - I question whether they are providing enough diverse views - that is the purpose of college, regardless of whether public money is involved or not. And - keep in mind, protests are also free speech, as long as they are peaceful.

Of course you disagree because it isn't your point of view or values being squashed like a bug.

She disagrees because your statement is factually wrong – and no one’s point of view or values are being ‘squashed like a bug.’

Again, state colleges and universities are held to the same First Amendment requirements, subject to the same First Amendment case law.

And like other rights, the rights enshrined in the First Amendment are not unlimited, it is not a right to say anything one wises anywhere he wishes at any time he wishes.

State colleges and universities are allowed by the First Amendment to take steps to ensure the public safety when rightwing speech seeks to incite imminent lawlessness or violence, where no free speech rights are ‘violated.’

Can you point to any occasion where a "right-winger" incited lawlessness or violence on a college campus that justified that college denying other "right-wingers" access to speak when requested by student groups?

Lefties believe that the right "incites" them to violence merely by existing. If they would just stop having those pesky dissenting opinions, leftists wouldn't be "forced" to riot and loot and beat people up.

Exactly. I hear incitement given as an excuse for violent behavior, but conservative speakers on campus are not advocating violence.

Look at this rightwinger inciting violence

 

[Coyote]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

What do you propose? In the case of FB, it's a private company. In the case of Colleges - some are private, some are public.

Do you propose interfering in private companies? If so - what about the conservative dominated media?

If colleges get ANY public funding it should be stripped of they persist with the nonsense. And Facebook needs to burn in hell but people are too stupid to give it up. Gotta tell ma & pa what I had for dinner yo. Beyond stupid. Social media is a poison even without the political bullshit. As for Hollywood I pirate every single movie they make, fuckem. Act like a douche I'll just steal your licensed material.

I disagree.

They should provide a fair assortment of diverse views. They don't HAVE to provide a platform for EVERY speaker. They shouldn't, for example, have to provide a platform for Neo-Nazi's. At this point though - I question whether they are providing enough diverse views - that is the purpose of college, regardless of whether public money is involved or not. And - keep in mind, protests are also free speech, as long as they are peaceful.

Colleges don't necessarily need to facilitate every speaker with campus space and funds, because obviously those things are in limited supply. They should NOT, however, be actively blocking speakers people want to hear.

And we're so far beyond "peaceful protests" at this point, we can't even see 'em from where we stand.

I think it depends. If the speaker is an agitator and requires high levels of security - should colleges have to support that? It's a fine line, but they absolutely support a diversity of voices.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

What do you propose? In the case of FB, it's a private company. In the case of Colleges - some are private, some are public.

Do you propose interfering in private companies? If so - what about the conservative dominated media?

If colleges get ANY public funding it should be stripped of they persist with the nonsense. And Facebook needs to burn in hell but people are too stupid to give it up. Gotta tell ma & pa what I had for dinner yo. Beyond stupid. Social media is a poison even without the political bullshit. As for Hollywood I pirate every single movie they make, fuckem. Act like a douche I'll just steal your licensed material.

I disagree.

They should provide a fair assortment of diverse views. They don't HAVE to provide a platform for EVERY speaker. They shouldn't, for example, have to provide a platform for Neo-Nazi's. At this point though - I question whether they are providing enough diverse views - that is the purpose of college, regardless of whether public money is involved or not. And - keep in mind, protests are also free speech, as long as they are peaceful.

Colleges don't necessarily need to facilitate every speaker with campus space and funds, because obviously those things are in limited supply. They should NOT, however, be actively blocking speakers people want to hear.

And we're so far beyond "peaceful protests" at this point, we can't even see 'em from where we stand.

I think it depends. If the speaker is an agitator and requires high levels of security - should colleges have to support that? It's a fine line, but they absolutely support a diversity of voices.

The security wouldn't be needed if left wing nuts knew how to behave in public.

 

[Coyote]

What do you propose? In the case of FB, it's a private company. In the case of Colleges - some are private, some are public.

Do you propose interfering in private companies? If so - what about the conservative dominated media?

If colleges get ANY public funding it should be stripped of they persist with the nonsense. And Facebook needs to burn in hell but people are too stupid to give it up. Gotta tell ma & pa what I had for dinner yo. Beyond stupid. Social media is a poison even without the political bullshit. As for Hollywood I pirate every single movie they make, fuckem. Act like a douche I'll just steal your licensed material.

I disagree.

They should provide a fair assortment of diverse views. They don't HAVE to provide a platform for EVERY speaker. They shouldn't, for example, have to provide a platform for Neo-Nazi's. At this point though - I question whether they are providing enough diverse views - that is the purpose of college, regardless of whether public money is involved or not. And - keep in mind, protests are also free speech, as long as they are peaceful.

Colleges don't necessarily need to facilitate every speaker with campus space and funds, because obviously those things are in limited supply. They should NOT, however, be actively blocking speakers people want to hear.

And we're so far beyond "peaceful protests" at this point, we can't even see 'em from where we stand.

I think it depends. If the speaker is an agitator and requires high levels of security - should colleges have to support that? It's a fine line, but they absolutely support a diversity of voices.

The security wouldn't be needed if left wing nuts knew how to behave in public.

Or rightwing nuts...like the ones that ran over a woman at a demonstration. Inciting a riot is as much a crime as rioting.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

If colleges get ANY public funding it should be stripped of they persist with the nonsense. And Facebook needs to burn in hell but people are too stupid to give it up. Gotta tell ma & pa what I had for dinner yo. Beyond stupid. Social media is a poison even without the political bullshit. As for Hollywood I pirate every single movie they make, fuckem. Act like a douche I'll just steal your licensed material.

I disagree.

They should provide a fair assortment of diverse views. They don't HAVE to provide a platform for EVERY speaker. They shouldn't, for example, have to provide a platform for Neo-Nazi's. At this point though - I question whether they are providing enough diverse views - that is the purpose of college, regardless of whether public money is involved or not. And - keep in mind, protests are also free speech, as long as they are peaceful.

Colleges don't necessarily need to facilitate every speaker with campus space and funds, because obviously those things are in limited supply. They should NOT, however, be actively blocking speakers people want to hear.

And we're so far beyond "peaceful protests" at this point, we can't even see 'em from where we stand.

I think it depends. If the speaker is an agitator and requires high levels of security - should colleges have to support that? It's a fine line, but they absolutely support a diversity of voices.

The security wouldn't be needed if left wing nuts knew how to behave in public.

Or rightwing nuts...like the ones that ran over a woman at a demonstration. Inciting a riot is as much a crime as rioting.

One would think....



And then the city burned.... the leftist response? Give them space...

 

[Coyote]

I disagree.

They should provide a fair assortment of diverse views. They don't HAVE to provide a platform for EVERY speaker. They shouldn't, for example, have to provide a platform for Neo-Nazi's. At this point though - I question whether they are providing enough diverse views - that is the purpose of college, regardless of whether public money is involved or not. And - keep in mind, protests are also free speech, as long as they are peaceful.

Colleges don't necessarily need to facilitate every speaker with campus space and funds, because obviously those things are in limited supply. They should NOT, however, be actively blocking speakers people want to hear.

And we're so far beyond "peaceful protests" at this point, we can't even see 'em from where we stand.

I think it depends. If the speaker is an agitator and requires high levels of security - should colleges have to support that? It's a fine line, but they absolutely support a diversity of voices.

The security wouldn't be needed if left wing nuts knew how to behave in public.

Or rightwing nuts...like the ones that ran over a woman at a demonstration. Inciting a riot is as much a crime as rioting.

One would think....



And then the city burned.... the leftist response? Give them space...

Rightist runs down a woman....what's the rightist response? It was her own fault.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Colleges don't necessarily need to facilitate every speaker with campus space and funds, because obviously those things are in limited supply. They should NOT, however, be actively blocking speakers people want to hear.

And we're so far beyond "peaceful protests" at this point, we can't even see 'em from where we stand.

I think it depends. If the speaker is an agitator and requires high levels of security - should colleges have to support that? It's a fine line, but they absolutely support a diversity of voices.

The security wouldn't be needed if left wing nuts knew how to behave in public.

Or rightwing nuts...like the ones that ran over a woman at a demonstration. Inciting a riot is as much a crime as rioting.

One would think....



And then the city burned.... the leftist response? Give them space...

Rightist runs down a woman....what's the rightist response? It was her own fault.

Wrong. He is in jail for his crime.

Your "burn this bitch down" riot inciting protected class is still free

 

[Cecilie1200]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

What do you propose? In the case of FB, it's a private company. In the case of Colleges - some are private, some are public.

Do you propose interfering in private companies? If so - what about the conservative dominated media?

If colleges get ANY public funding it should be stripped of they persist with the nonsense. And Facebook needs to burn in hell but people are too stupid to give it up. Gotta tell ma & pa what I had for dinner yo. Beyond stupid. Social media is a poison even without the political bullshit. As for Hollywood I pirate every single movie they make, fuckem. Act like a douche I'll just steal your licensed material.

I disagree.

They should provide a fair assortment of diverse views. They don't HAVE to provide a platform for EVERY speaker. They shouldn't, for example, have to provide a platform for Neo-Nazi's. At this point though - I question whether they are providing enough diverse views - that is the purpose of college, regardless of whether public money is involved or not. And - keep in mind, protests are also free speech, as long as they are peaceful.

Colleges don't necessarily need to facilitate every speaker with campus space and funds, because obviously those things are in limited supply. They should NOT, however, be actively blocking speakers people want to hear.

And we're so far beyond "peaceful protests" at this point, we can't even see 'em from where we stand.

I think it depends. If the speaker is an agitator and requires high levels of security - should colleges have to support that? It's a fine line, but they absolutely support a diversity of voices.

How are we defining "agitator requiring high levels of security"? Because it seems to ME that currently means "anyone conservative that the leftist savages want to riot over." You'll excuse me if I don't think the heckler's veto - or the thug's veto - should be making the decisions.

 

[Coyote]

What do you propose? In the case of FB, it's a private company. In the case of Colleges - some are private, some are public.

Do you propose interfering in private companies? If so - what about the conservative dominated media?

If colleges get ANY public funding it should be stripped of they persist with the nonsense. And Facebook needs to burn in hell but people are too stupid to give it up. Gotta tell ma & pa what I had for dinner yo. Beyond stupid. Social media is a poison even without the political bullshit. As for Hollywood I pirate every single movie they make, fuckem. Act like a douche I'll just steal your licensed material.

I disagree.

They should provide a fair assortment of diverse views. They don't HAVE to provide a platform for EVERY speaker. They shouldn't, for example, have to provide a platform for Neo-Nazi's. At this point though - I question whether they are providing enough diverse views - that is the purpose of college, regardless of whether public money is involved or not. And - keep in mind, protests are also free speech, as long as they are peaceful.

Colleges don't necessarily need to facilitate every speaker with campus space and funds, because obviously those things are in limited supply. They should NOT, however, be actively blocking speakers people want to hear.

And we're so far beyond "peaceful protests" at this point, we can't even see 'em from where we stand.

I think it depends. If the speaker is an agitator and requires high levels of security - should colleges have to support that? It's a fine line, but they absolutely support a diversity of voices.

How are we defining "agitator requiring high levels of security"? Because it seems to ME that currently means "anyone conservative that the leftist savages want to riot over." You'll excuse me if I don't think the heckler's veto - or the thug's veto - should be making the decisions.

I think it's hard to define that is why I feel it's a fine line. But for example - should colleges be required to provide a platform for white nationalists, neo-nazi's, black nationalists...? People who advocate religious/racial/ethnic violence for example? I'm not just talking about conservative voices - for example Ann Coulter, I would consider a conservative voice who I can't stand but who should be allowed to speak if invited, not an agitator. AND those who disagree should be allowed to protest - short of violence or preventing the speaker from speaking. Milo Y on the other hand strikes me as nothing but a self serving agitator who's aim is to piss off and anger people.

 

[Coyote]

I think it depends. If the speaker is an agitator and requires high levels of security - should colleges have to support that? It's a fine line, but they absolutely support a diversity of voices.

The security wouldn't be needed if left wing nuts knew how to behave in public.

Or rightwing nuts...like the ones that ran over a woman at a demonstration. Inciting a riot is as much a crime as rioting.

One would think....



And then the city burned.... the leftist response? Give them space...

Rightist runs down a woman....what's the rightist response? It was her own fault.

Wrong. He is in jail for his crime.

Your "burn this bitch down" riot inciting protected class is still free

He didn't kill anyone did he?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The security wouldn't be needed if left wing nuts knew how to behave in public.

Or rightwing nuts...like the ones that ran over a woman at a demonstration. Inciting a riot is as much a crime as rioting.

One would think....



And then the city burned.... the leftist response? Give them space...

Rightist runs down a woman....what's the rightist response? It was her own fault.

Wrong. He is in jail for his crime.

Your "burn this bitch down" riot inciting protected class is still free

He didn't kill anyone did he?

Wtf kind of bullshit response is that? You just said this.....

Inciting a riot is as much a crime as rioting.


Fucking hack

 

[Coyote]

Or rightwing nuts...like the ones that ran over a woman at a demonstration. Inciting a riot is as much a crime as rioting.

One would think....



And then the city burned.... the leftist response? Give them space...

Rightist runs down a woman....what's the rightist response? It was her own fault.

Wrong. He is in jail for his crime.

Your "burn this bitch down" riot inciting protected class is still free

He didn't kill anyone did he?

Wtf kind of bullshit response is that? You just said this.....

Inciting a riot is as much a crime as rioting.


Fucking hack

Did he INCITE a riot or is this just a video capturing a statement?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

One would think....



And then the city burned.... the leftist response? Give them space...

Rightist runs down a woman....what's the rightist response? It was her own fault.

Wrong. He is in jail for his crime.

Your "burn this bitch down" riot inciting protected class is still free

He didn't kill anyone did he?

Wtf kind of bullshit response is that? You just said this.....

Inciting a riot is as much a crime as rioting.


Fucking hack

Did he INCITE a riot or is this just a video capturing a statement?

THE CITY BURNED

You are a hypocrite and we are done here. Goodbye