How do those on the left defend this?

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

Nope. You are wrong. As usual. You said the difference between men and women is mostly cultural norms. You could not be more wrong.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

Nope. You are wrong. As usual. You said the difference between men and women is mostly cultural norms. You could not be more wrong.

Haha, misquoting me again are ya?! Is this your new tactic for debate? Just make shit up?

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

Nope. You are wrong. As usual. You said the difference between men and women is mostly cultural norms. You could not be more wrong.

Haha, misquoting me again are ya?! Is this your new tactic for debate? Just make shit up?

I quoted You word for word. You are a lying leftist.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

Dickhead, the cultural elements are based on biology. Hence the opposite sex have no idea what the other sex feels like since they aren’t the other sex. Women tend to be smaller in bone structure, shorter and more emotional. Even at early ages my kids loved dolls and princess movies. My nephews loved soldiers, sports and bikes and toy trucks. Biology builds our culture. In your world you concentrate on the less than one percent of outliers. You would build airplane bathrooms for 7 footers I bet. You are the dumbest person on this board and a dishonest one. I mean that wholeheartedly. You’re a failure like your many businesses.

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

 

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Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

Nope.

It is simply calling you on your ignorant woke bull shit.

 

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Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

Nope.

It is simply calling you on your ignorant woke bull shit.

I’m fine getting called out just do it accurately and don’t make shit up and take my arguments out of context. That’s weak

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

You quoted one sentence and ignored the rest of my statements that explained my point and have been going of for pages now ignorantly trying and push a fake narrative. It’s desperate and pathetic

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing morLiar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate.

Yes -- once again, it isn't what you actually are that counts. It is only how you think of yourself. There is nothing in this world that is actually objective or demonstrable as only feelings count.

Just like with men being women, isn't it?

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing morLiar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate.

Yes -- once again, it isn't what you actually are that counts. It is only how you think of yourself. There is nothing in this world that is actually objective or demonstrable as only feelings count.

Just like with men being women, isn't it?

What I think of myself and what you think of myself are completely different. How do you know who is right? How do you even know what “right” is?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing morLiar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate.

Yes -- once again, it isn't what you actually are that counts. It is only how you think of yourself. There is nothing in this world that is actually objective or demonstrable as only feelings count.

Just like with men being women, isn't it?

What I think of myself and what you think of myself are completely different. How do you know who is right? How do you even know what “right” is?

I realize you are too poorly educated to know the meaning of the word, but your solipsism is not an actual argument.

 

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Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.