How do we stop "the poor" from being so problematic?

[danielpalos]

Go get a fricken job, that should help you fix part of your problem.

Not my problem brainwashed functional moron. I'm happily retired. You GOP tools are so stupid and selfish you believe no one worries about other people and the people and the country in general... Or is it the brainwash? Unbelievable...

And you lefties are so worried about the people that you're willing to go to the great length of demanding that other people pay taxes to fund them. How benevolent you are, not like those evil conservatives. Lol.

The right wing alleges to be the Party of Small Government; end the drug war.

I agree. I'm all for the decriminalization of victimless crimes in general. Ideally, I'd like to see a world where each individual is allowed to say what they want, do with their own property what they want, and treat their own body in whatever way they see fit.

If you got the idea that my motive was to defend right wing authoritarians, you are mistaken. I'm merely pointing out that left wing political views aren't the mark of generosity.

If you think drugs, usage, distribution...etc lead to victimless crime you aren’t paying attention.

Why is this an Institutional problem and not an Individual problem, like y'all claim when it is about simpler economics.

 

[danielpalos]

Just line them up and shoot the ones you consider the worst (the black & brown ones) ...

Those can then be turned into Soylent Green as food for poor southern white folks, which will create thousands of new factory jobs!

Just right wing forms of fantasy?

 

[danielpalos]

What I was implying was that the act of selling someone drugs, in and of itself, is a victimless crime.

Try telling that to my friend who's sons funeral was two weekends ago.

The right wing insists, bad things happen to people due to Individual lifestyle choices, not Institutional issues.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

They're greedy, but the American consumer isn't?

Ever go to a Walmart and see some of the cars those "poor" shoppers are driving?

No, companies don't want more net--companies want more growth. The better the growth of their company, the more investors they can attract.

You think it's about what companies can afford. It's not about that. It's about paying labor what labor is worth. It's about what your competition is paying their employees so you can compete against them.

So they finally managed to borrow a car and and you... It is about screwing the non-rich, super duper dupe.
People didn't just decide to get lazy, the GOP has been cutting their opportunities since Reagan became governor.

You like to use this “cutting” word...Let’s establish some real basic shit that most third graders understand....The poor is not OWED anything PERIOD! You realize that....right? Whatever poor people get is given...not earned...you know that difference...right? Simply existing and breathing oxygen in America does not entitle one to X amount of other people’s money...you know this right?

we indulge capitalism's natural rate of unemployment, merely for the bottom line of capitalists.

In all fairness, part of the reason we "indulge capitalism's natural rate of unemployment" is because we've yet to discover the economic system that's free of hardships and poor people. Capitalism's less than perfect, but it's got a much better track record than centralized economic power.

You are confusing the issue. We resort to capitalism; we don't need capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. And, under truer forms of capitalism, there is no unemployment only underpayment.

Apparently I'm confusing what you're talking about, and it doesn't help that you're not being very clear with your terms.

If it's a natural rate of unemployment, why would "truer" capitalism not have this natural byproduct?

For that matter, how does truer capitalism not have unemployment at all?

 

[danielpalos]

Just line them up and shoot the ones you consider the worst (the black & brown ones) ...

Those can then be turned into Soylent Green as food for poor southern white folks, which will create thousands of new factory jobs!

What really needs to be done is anybody going on the dole be fixed first before they receive one red cent from the government. How can we ever reduce or eliminate poverty when our social programs reward people for having kids they can't afford? The apple doesn't fall far from the tree you know. And when productive people can only afford one or two children if any at all, while lowlifes have as many as they want, what results would you expect? You're going to have more poor people.

able bodied, potential labor only needs unemployment compensation when unemployed, not means tested welfare.

 

[danielpalos]

Not my problem brainwashed functional moron. I'm happily retired. You GOP tools are so stupid and selfish you believe no one worries about other people and the people and the country in general... Or is it the brainwash? Unbelievable...

And you lefties are so worried about the people that you're willing to go to the great length of demanding that other people pay taxes to fund them. How benevolent you are, not like those evil conservatives. Lol.

We need more investment in the non-rich cheap training cheaper education so they can rise duh. The only people Democrats want to pay more in taxes are the rich and mainly the mega rich who are totally bloated after 35 years of GOP tax rates, which kill the non-rich. The GOP is pure Pander to the rich, super dupe. And brainwashed functional ignoramuses Like you..

Oh, so you only want to make -certain- people pay to perpetuate your values? Well, I stand corrected. You are a beacon of generosity, after all.

See, if you wanted everybody to pay, that would just make you a different brand of selfish, one which prefers to control other people as opposed to hoarding material goods.

But since you narrowed the bearer of your imposed burden down to a manageable and easily demonized scapegoat, nah. You're practically messianic!

You believe in the goodly politics, which is how I can tell you're one of the goodly people! Just keep emphasizing that moral high ground of yours and keep being an inspiration to all of us.

Your sympathy for the bloated mega-rich GOP scum is touching, super dupe. LOL!

Lol. I can't decide if I'm saddened or delighted by the sheer fucking irony that a simpleton who views the world through the lenses of popular stereotypes is telling me that I've been duped.

The rich are evil and kill the non rich!

The non rich are the worker and are noble and good!

The democrats look out for the little guy!

The republicans are the party of the rich guy, and they hate the poor!

It's like you've gathered your political views from bits and pieces of Comedy Central shows and '90's movies.

The right wing is more for socialism on a national basis than the capitalism they allege.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

What I was implying was that the act of selling someone drugs, in and of itself, is a victimless crime.

Try telling that to my friend who's sons funeral was two weekends ago.

The fact that your friend now has a deeply charged emotional reason to disagree with me doesn't make me wrong. The fact that his recent loss would also make this an awkward conversation also doesn't make me wrong.

If someone chooses, of their own volition, to buy drugs, that's on them. Not the dealer, the buyer. If they decide to use a greater amount than is safe, also on them. Drug users have agency.

 

[danielpalos]

So they finally managed to borrow a car and and you... It is about screwing the non-rich, super duper dupe.
People didn't just decide to get lazy, the GOP has been cutting their opportunities since Reagan became governor.

You like to use this “cutting” word...Let’s establish some real basic shit that most third graders understand....The poor is not OWED anything PERIOD! You realize that....right? Whatever poor people get is given...not earned...you know that difference...right? Simply existing and breathing oxygen in America does not entitle one to X amount of other people’s money...you know this right?

we indulge capitalism's natural rate of unemployment, merely for the bottom line of capitalists.

In all fairness, part of the reason we "indulge capitalism's natural rate of unemployment" is because we've yet to discover the economic system that's free of hardships and poor people. Capitalism's less than perfect, but it's got a much better track record than centralized economic power.

You are confusing the issue. We resort to capitalism; we don't need capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. And, under truer forms of capitalism, there is no unemployment only underpayment.

Apparently I'm confusing what you're talking about, and it doesn't help that you're not being very clear with your terms.

If it's a natural rate of unemployment, why would "truer" capitalism not have this natural byproduct?

For that matter, how does truer capitalism not have unemployment at all?

There is no unemployment Only underpayment. It is a simple capital concept.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

And you lefties are so worried about the people that you're willing to go to the great length of demanding that other people pay taxes to fund them. How benevolent you are, not like those evil conservatives. Lol.

We need more investment in the non-rich cheap training cheaper education so they can rise duh. The only people Democrats want to pay more in taxes are the rich and mainly the mega rich who are totally bloated after 35 years of GOP tax rates, which kill the non-rich. The GOP is pure Pander to the rich, super dupe. And brainwashed functional ignoramuses Like you..

Oh, so you only want to make -certain- people pay to perpetuate your values? Well, I stand corrected. You are a beacon of generosity, after all.

See, if you wanted everybody to pay, that would just make you a different brand of selfish, one which prefers to control other people as opposed to hoarding material goods.

But since you narrowed the bearer of your imposed burden down to a manageable and easily demonized scapegoat, nah. You're practically messianic!

You believe in the goodly politics, which is how I can tell you're one of the goodly people! Just keep emphasizing that moral high ground of yours and keep being an inspiration to all of us.

Your sympathy for the bloated mega-rich GOP scum is touching, super dupe. LOL!

Lol. I can't decide if I'm saddened or delighted by the sheer fucking irony that a simpleton who views the world through the lenses of popular stereotypes is telling me that I've been duped.

The rich are evil and kill the non rich!

The non rich are the worker and are noble and good!

The democrats look out for the little guy!

The republicans are the party of the rich guy, and they hate the poor!

It's like you've gathered your political views from bits and pieces of Comedy Central shows and '90's movies.

The right wing is more for socialism on a national basis than the capitalism they allege.

The right wing, or republican politicians? Not same same.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

You like to use this “cutting” word...Let’s establish some real basic shit that most third graders understand....The poor is not OWED anything PERIOD! You realize that....right? Whatever poor people get is given...not earned...you know that difference...right? Simply existing and breathing oxygen in America does not entitle one to X amount of other people’s money...you know this right?

we indulge capitalism's natural rate of unemployment, merely for the bottom line of capitalists.

In all fairness, part of the reason we "indulge capitalism's natural rate of unemployment" is because we've yet to discover the economic system that's free of hardships and poor people. Capitalism's less than perfect, but it's got a much better track record than centralized economic power.

You are confusing the issue. We resort to capitalism; we don't need capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. And, under truer forms of capitalism, there is no unemployment only underpayment.

Apparently I'm confusing what you're talking about, and it doesn't help that you're not being very clear with your terms.

If it's a natural rate of unemployment, why would "truer" capitalism not have this natural byproduct?

For that matter, how does truer capitalism not have unemployment at all?

There is no unemployment Only underpayment. It is a simple capital concept.

I actually asked HOW truer capitalism doesn't have unemployment. If all you were going to do was restate the sentence that I'm asking you to clarify, then why bother responding at all?

 

[danielpalos]

We need more investment in the non-rich cheap training cheaper education so they can rise duh. The only people Democrats want to pay more in taxes are the rich and mainly the mega rich who are totally bloated after 35 years of GOP tax rates, which kill the non-rich. The GOP is pure Pander to the rich, super dupe. And brainwashed functional ignoramuses Like you..

Oh, so you only want to make -certain- people pay to perpetuate your values? Well, I stand corrected. You are a beacon of generosity, after all.

See, if you wanted everybody to pay, that would just make you a different brand of selfish, one which prefers to control other people as opposed to hoarding material goods.

But since you narrowed the bearer of your imposed burden down to a manageable and easily demonized scapegoat, nah. You're practically messianic!

You believe in the goodly politics, which is how I can tell you're one of the goodly people! Just keep emphasizing that moral high ground of yours and keep being an inspiration to all of us.

Your sympathy for the bloated mega-rich GOP scum is touching, super dupe. LOL!

Lol. I can't decide if I'm saddened or delighted by the sheer fucking irony that a simpleton who views the world through the lenses of popular stereotypes is telling me that I've been duped.

The rich are evil and kill the non rich!

The non rich are the worker and are noble and good!

The democrats look out for the little guy!

The republicans are the party of the rich guy, and they hate the poor!

It's like you've gathered your political views from bits and pieces of Comedy Central shows and '90's movies.

The right wing is more for socialism on a national basis than the capitalism they allege.

The right wing, or republican politicians? Not same same.

Is there much difference? There is no drug war clause in the Republican Doctrine.

 

[danielpalos]

we indulge capitalism's natural rate of unemployment, merely for the bottom line of capitalists.

In all fairness, part of the reason we "indulge capitalism's natural rate of unemployment" is because we've yet to discover the economic system that's free of hardships and poor people. Capitalism's less than perfect, but it's got a much better track record than centralized economic power.

You are confusing the issue. We resort to capitalism; we don't need capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. And, under truer forms of capitalism, there is no unemployment only underpayment.

Apparently I'm confusing what you're talking about, and it doesn't help that you're not being very clear with your terms.

If it's a natural rate of unemployment, why would "truer" capitalism not have this natural byproduct?

For that matter, how does truer capitalism not have unemployment at all?

There is no unemployment Only underpayment. It is a simple capital concept.

I actually asked HOW truer capitalism doesn't have unemployment. If all you were going to do was restate the sentence that I'm asking you to clarify, then why bother responding at all?

I thought it was a self-evident truth, that unemployment only happens due to underpayment.

I don't know many people who would turn down a multimillion dollar sign-on bonus, if that is what it took to get them some work.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Oh, so you only want to make -certain- people pay to perpetuate your values? Well, I stand corrected. You are a beacon of generosity, after all.

See, if you wanted everybody to pay, that would just make you a different brand of selfish, one which prefers to control other people as opposed to hoarding material goods.

But since you narrowed the bearer of your imposed burden down to a manageable and easily demonized scapegoat, nah. You're practically messianic!

You believe in the goodly politics, which is how I can tell you're one of the goodly people! Just keep emphasizing that moral high ground of yours and keep being an inspiration to all of us.

Your sympathy for the bloated mega-rich GOP scum is touching, super dupe. LOL!

Lol. I can't decide if I'm saddened or delighted by the sheer fucking irony that a simpleton who views the world through the lenses of popular stereotypes is telling me that I've been duped.

The rich are evil and kill the non rich!

The non rich are the worker and are noble and good!

The democrats look out for the little guy!

The republicans are the party of the rich guy, and they hate the poor!

It's like you've gathered your political views from bits and pieces of Comedy Central shows and '90's movies.

The right wing is more for socialism on a national basis than the capitalism they allege.

The right wing, or republican politicians? Not same same.

Is there much difference? There is no drug war clause in the Republican Doctrine.

The difference is simple. Your average right winger is socially and fiscally conservative and generally nationalistic. Your average republican politician is socially conservative, fiscally liberal (or at least Keynesian) and generally globalist.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

In all fairness, part of the reason we "indulge capitalism's natural rate of unemployment" is because we've yet to discover the economic system that's free of hardships and poor people. Capitalism's less than perfect, but it's got a much better track record than centralized economic power.

You are confusing the issue. We resort to capitalism; we don't need capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. And, under truer forms of capitalism, there is no unemployment only underpayment.

Apparently I'm confusing what you're talking about, and it doesn't help that you're not being very clear with your terms.

If it's a natural rate of unemployment, why would "truer" capitalism not have this natural byproduct?

For that matter, how does truer capitalism not have unemployment at all?

There is no unemployment Only underpayment. It is a simple capital concept.

I actually asked HOW truer capitalism doesn't have unemployment. If all you were going to do was restate the sentence that I'm asking you to clarify, then why bother responding at all?

I thought it was a self-evident truth, that unemployment only happens due to underpayment.

I don't know many people who would turn down a multimillion dollar sign-on bonus, if that is what it took to get them some work.

Gotcha, I see what you're saying now. Realistically, though, you could say that about any system, or indeed about the natural state of human existence. There's always some piece of work to be done that would make life better for someone, but whether or not there's some available reward great enough to motivate any given individual to perform that task is another story.

 

[danielpalos]

Your sympathy for the bloated mega-rich GOP scum is touching, super dupe. LOL!

Lol. I can't decide if I'm saddened or delighted by the sheer fucking irony that a simpleton who views the world through the lenses of popular stereotypes is telling me that I've been duped.

The rich are evil and kill the non rich!

The non rich are the worker and are noble and good!

The democrats look out for the little guy!

The republicans are the party of the rich guy, and they hate the poor!

It's like you've gathered your political views from bits and pieces of Comedy Central shows and '90's movies.

The right wing is more for socialism on a national basis than the capitalism they allege.

The right wing, or republican politicians? Not same same.

Is there much difference? There is no drug war clause in the Republican Doctrine.

The difference is simple. Your average right winger is socially and fiscally conservative and generally nationalistic. Your average republican politician is socially conservative, fiscally liberal (or at least Keynesian) and generally globalist.

The right wing had no problem financing tax cuts.

 

[danielpalos]

You are confusing the issue. We resort to capitalism; we don't need capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. And, under truer forms of capitalism, there is no unemployment only underpayment.

Apparently I'm confusing what you're talking about, and it doesn't help that you're not being very clear with your terms.

If it's a natural rate of unemployment, why would "truer" capitalism not have this natural byproduct?

For that matter, how does truer capitalism not have unemployment at all?

There is no unemployment Only underpayment. It is a simple capital concept.

I actually asked HOW truer capitalism doesn't have unemployment. If all you were going to do was restate the sentence that I'm asking you to clarify, then why bother responding at all?

I thought it was a self-evident truth, that unemployment only happens due to underpayment.

I don't know many people who would turn down a multimillion dollar sign-on bonus, if that is what it took to get them some work.

Gotcha, I see what you're saying now. Realistically, though, you could say that about any system, or indeed about the natural state of human existence. There's always some piece of work to be done that would make life better for someone, but whether or not there's some available reward great enough to motivate any given individual to perform that task is another story.

The argument I have with the right wing is that they don't believe the poor are worth equal protection of the law, under any form of Capitalism.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Lol. I can't decide if I'm saddened or delighted by the sheer fucking irony that a simpleton who views the world through the lenses of popular stereotypes is telling me that I've been duped.

The rich are evil and kill the non rich!

The non rich are the worker and are noble and good!

The democrats look out for the little guy!

The republicans are the party of the rich guy, and they hate the poor!

It's like you've gathered your political views from bits and pieces of Comedy Central shows and '90's movies.

The right wing is more for socialism on a national basis than the capitalism they allege.

The right wing, or republican politicians? Not same same.

Is there much difference? There is no drug war clause in the Republican Doctrine.

The difference is simple. Your average right winger is socially and fiscally conservative and generally nationalistic. Your average republican politician is socially conservative, fiscally liberal (or at least Keynesian) and generally globalist.

The right wing had no problem financing tax cuts.

Yeah, when I say fiscally conservative, I mean generally opposed to wealth redistribution. Tax cuts are directly in line with this motive.

Granted, this only refers to the portion of the right wing spectrum where you'd find most American conservatives. I get that fascists are generally socialists.

 

[Papageorgio]

Retired and a fricken lib? Great, tell your kids to get a fricken job, or your grand-kids....dumbass.

Criminy you dupes are stupid... The problem is getting trained or educated after 35 years of GOP screwing the non-rich.

Let me guess...you skipped out on the educated part.

Masters in history, fluent in 3 languages. You You are a brainwashed functional moron at this point. So what are you a chemist or an accountant, because you don't know s*** about politics or history...

Masters in history...let me guess, a teacher?

Private school about 7 years and 3 years of substituting in public schools. So you hate teachers as well as facts LOL!

Look up Rick Rigsby, his brother is a judge, he has three college degrees and the smart man he knew was a third grade dropout.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Apparently I'm confusing what you're talking about, and it doesn't help that you're not being very clear with your terms.

If it's a natural rate of unemployment, why would "truer" capitalism not have this natural byproduct?

For that matter, how does truer capitalism not have unemployment at all?

There is no unemployment Only underpayment. It is a simple capital concept.

I actually asked HOW truer capitalism doesn't have unemployment. If all you were going to do was restate the sentence that I'm asking you to clarify, then why bother responding at all?

I thought it was a self-evident truth, that unemployment only happens due to underpayment.

I don't know many people who would turn down a multimillion dollar sign-on bonus, if that is what it took to get them some work.

Gotcha, I see what you're saying now. Realistically, though, you could say that about any system, or indeed about the natural state of human existence. There's always some piece of work to be done that would make life better for someone, but whether or not there's some available reward great enough to motivate any given individual to perform that task is another story.

The argument I have with the right wing is that they don't believe the poor are worth equal protection of the law, under any form of Capitalism.

Now you're painting all conservatives being on board with the extremists. Most right wingers, at least in this country, believe in universalism and individualism. The fact that the people at the bottom of the social hierarchy tend to get shit on isn't unique to capitalism, it's a function of the human condition.

 

[danielpalos]

The right wing is more for socialism on a national basis than the capitalism they allege.

The right wing, or republican politicians? Not same same.

Is there much difference? There is no drug war clause in the Republican Doctrine.

The difference is simple. Your average right winger is socially and fiscally conservative and generally nationalistic. Your average republican politician is socially conservative, fiscally liberal (or at least Keynesian) and generally globalist.

The right wing had no problem financing tax cuts.

Yeah, when I say fiscally conservative, I mean generally opposed to wealth redistribution. Tax cuts are directly in line with this motive.

Granted, this only refers to the portion of the right wing spectrum where you'd find most American conservatives. I get that fascists are generally socialists.

I think the right wing is simply clueless and Causeless; and have nothing but socialism on a national basis.

Financing tax cuts is simple income redistribution.