percysunshine
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- Feb 5, 2011
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And use lots of lipstick.
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It is a move toward socialism commerade. Dress up the pig any way you wish. Your colors are revealed for all to see.
It is a move toward socialism commerade. Dress up the pig any way you wish. Your colors are revealed for all to see.
Fair point saveliberty. Well then I would love to hear your opinion on how would you suggest going about balancing the budget without increasing taxes or closing lopeholes and deductions? (Even though the Republicans suggest a $800 billion dollar raise using just that.)
The idea I have to to meet somewhere in the middle of liberal socialism and right-wing capitalism if you will.....
How would the division of the nation best be resolved and why does compromise not seem like an option?
I would like to start by suggesting the unthinkable. Raise taxes install a minimum tax rate percentage of let's say 30% as Warren Buffet suggested, lower spending, lessen regulation on trade, put pressure on China and other market-share abusers, drill a little more, etc. Do things that would raise revenues and cut expenses regardless of party. Instead of taking firm stands against the other side and having the other side do the same, why not moderately do what both sides are suggesting and in some cases literally find a middle ground?
The debate should not be about whether dems or reps or tea partiers or greens or libs are right in their stances. Rather, it should be about how to take into account all opinions and draw up a middle ground stance that most people can agree with at least a little bit.
Figure out how to live with a tax increase and the dollar decreasing in value.
Well first off a tax increase of any rate that has been talked about would not effect the standard of living as much as people hype it up to. Secondly, I believe that our dollar's value would rise if we were even slightly surplussed.
Not effect the standard of living? People are barely making it by as it is. You may not think it's that important, but alot of it will be the difference between food on the table or rent/mortgage payments, and the poor house.
And raising taxes isnt going to create a surplus. It will only widen the deficit, because it will slow the already limping economy and the spending hasnt stopped. We will never have a surplus while we are outspending revenues. And we havent had a real surplus in almost a century or more.
Can we at least agree that we're spending way too much and need to make cuts?
Can we also agree that the Federal Government by it's very nature is incredibly wasteful and will remain so unless it is forced to change?
Can we also agree that for the millions of Americans who are out of work right now that the number one priority should be growing the economy and creating jobs?
Yes, sometimes, and yes.
I like to look at Clinton's presidency as an example of a non-wasteful two terms (in comparison to most recent others). I mean, Bill Clinton presided over one of the largest economic booms the world has ever seen. He raised taxes and government revenue, yet our economy was growing faster that ever. He left office with a budget SURPLUS of about $120 billion yearly (i.e. part of that was going to pay off the national debt). He helped create more jobs than most presidents in recent history and had a solid stance on foreign policy.
What is the point of you attending college? Do you hope to better your economic position? Benefit from your labors? Build something of value you get to keep? Some people are just better at it and make more. Stop being greedy.
What is the point of you attending college? Do you hope to better your economic position? Benefit from your labors? Build something of value you get to keep? Some people are just better at it and make more. Stop being greedy.
First off, not greedy just sensible. Secondly, I am in college because without a college degree good luck doing much of anything in this country. The few that do make it and are well off without college degrees got a break somewhere along the line and kudos to them. Thirdly, yes I would like to further my economic position seeing how I am only 20 I have a lot of time. Not to mention my previous statement regarding college degrees being all but necessary.
As for your second comment which was more progressive toward a valid opinion instead of attacking mine, I can see that as a valid argument. So you would suggest spending cuts alone, yes?
Spending cuts alone could cover it and set us up as revenue neutral, but do you not believe that Mitt Romney paying no more than 15% on his capital gains is a little low???
Figure out how to live with a tax increase and the dollar decreasing in value.
Well first off a tax increase of any rate that has been talked about would not effect the standard of living as much as people hype it up to. Secondly, I believe that our dollar's value would rise if we were even slightly surplussed.
Not effect the standard of living? People are barely making it by as it is. You may not think it's that important, but alot of it will be the difference between food on the table or rent/mortgage payments, and the poor house.
And raising taxes isnt going to create a surplus. It will only widen the deficit, because it will slow the already limping economy and the spending hasnt stopped. We will never have a surplus while we are outspending revenues. And we havent had a real surplus in almost a century or more.
In fairness CP is learning all his history from a liberal learning institution. His inability to note bias is rooted in his belief his professors are neutral politically and just state fact.
What is the point of you attending college? Do you hope to better your economic position? Benefit from your labors? Build something of value you get to keep? Some people are just better at it and make more. Stop being greedy.
First off, not greedy just sensible. Secondly, I am in college because without a college degree good luck doing much of anything in this country. The few that do make it and are well off without college degrees got a break somewhere along the line and kudos to them. Thirdly, yes I would like to further my economic position seeing how I am only 20 I have a lot of time. Not to mention my previous statement regarding college degrees being all but necessary.
As for your second comment which was more progressive toward a valid opinion instead of attacking mine, I can see that as a valid argument. So you would suggest spending cuts alone, yes?
Spending cuts alone could cover it and set us up as revenue neutral, but do you not believe that Mitt Romney paying no more than 15% on his capital gains is a little low???
"Barely" making it on over 250K a year?
What world do you live in?
Okay..that's a little low in in Monaco..but sheesh.
In fairness CP is learning all his history from a liberal learning institution. His inability to note bias is rooted in his belief his professors are neutral politically and just state fact.
But he is young. and He can be taught.
In fairness CP is learning all his history from a liberal learning institution. His inability to note bias is rooted in his belief his professors are neutral politically and just state fact.
Ideally, Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Reid sequester themselves on a desert island for the next 4 year
CrusaderFrank, who would you rather be in control of the situation? The Romney and Ryan ticket? The problem I have with the majority of Republicans is their lack of upholding what I see as obligatory personal liberties. They would rather outlaw abortion completely and not allow gays to get married. Now, holding religion and legalities separate, would you support a law banning gays from getting LEGALLY married (i.e. churches would not be forced to recognize these marriages). And do you support outlawing abortion completely?