saveliberty
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So you support letting the fiscal cliff when? That will cut across the board on spending and raise taxes on the rich.
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I agree completely that Obama is not doing well either and maybe Romney would have done better and would continue to do better. You are also right in that we need to make actual cuts, not just prevent an increase in spending. I still think that 87 billion is enough to make taxes increase a little.
In a simple sense, my opinion states the following: increase taxes on the rich as Dems want, cut entitlements and actual spending not projected spending, etc. DO BOTH I don't see why the top 2% can't be hit with a little more taxation! And I never quoted Obama i don't know what that was, but in all honesty everyone gets a break in life. Whether anyone likes it, everyone does.
Would you still be in favor of that proposed tax increase if you thought it might slow the economy and put even more people out of work...actually slowing the rate of revenue collection and costing us billions more in additional money for things like unemployment and food stamps?
How would you feel about this proposed strategy of tax increases if you were one of the millions of Americans who has been out of work for over a year and desperately need to find a job?
"Barely" making it on over 250K a year?
What world do you live in?
Okay..that's a little low in in Monaco..but sheesh.
First, I know you don't really like reading the discussion. But we were discussing a tax increase on all rates.
Second, yes, there are people making over 250K a year who are bareley making ends meet. Small business owners, for example, who end up claiming profits on their personal statements. And there are also stupid people who make lots of money. Some members of Congress, for example.
I agree completely that Obama is not doing well either and maybe Romney would have done better and would continue to do better. You are also right in that we need to make actual cuts, not just prevent an increase in spending. I still think that 87 billion is enough to make taxes increase a little.
In a simple sense, my opinion states the following: increase taxes on the rich as Dems want, cut entitlements and actual spending not projected spending, etc. DO BOTH I don't see why the top 2% can't be hit with a little more taxation! And I never quoted Obama i don't know what that was, but in all honesty everyone gets a break in life. Whether anyone likes it, everyone does.
"Quote: Originally Posted by percysunshine
To be honest with you, CP? I don't think you have a firm grasp on the scope of the deficit we're facing..."
I certainly hope that was an accident crediting me with a post I never posted. If it wasn't, you are a slime bag moron if you thought you would not be caught.
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Let's boil all this down.
Most of you if not all are saying that raising taxes would cripple the economy right?
Besides one of you I have not heard what programs and funding would be cut. I have only heard, "increase tax bad... spending cuts good."
An idea I had a while ago was to have a flat rate percentage for all brackets. I do not know the details of what this would mean, but I see it as somewhat fair. Say the rate was 30% or 35%, I would vote for the upper paying 35% or 40%. I guess I am a little liberal, but I am also a little a lot of other things.
"Barely" making it on over 250K a year?
What world do you live in?
Okay..that's a little low in in Monaco..but sheesh.
First, I know you don't really like reading the discussion. But we were discussing a tax increase on all rates.
Second, yes, there are people making over 250K a year who are bareley making ends meet. Small business owners, for example, who end up claiming profits on their personal statements. And there are also stupid people who make lots of money. Some members of Congress, for example.
Let's boil all this down.
Most of you if not all are saying that raising taxes would cripple the economy right?
Besides one of you I have not heard what programs and funding would be cut. I have only heard, "increase tax bad... spending cuts good."
An idea I had a while ago was to have a flat rate percentage for all brackets. I do not know the details of what this would mean, but I see it as somewhat fair. Say the rate was 30% or 35%, I would vote for the upper paying 35% or 40%. I guess I am a little liberal, but I am also a little a lot of other things.
Can we at least agree that we're spending way too much and need to make cuts?
Can we also agree that the Federal Government by it's very nature is incredibly wasteful and will remain so unless it is forced to change?
Can we also agree that for the millions of Americans who are out of work right now that the number one priority should be growing the economy and creating jobs?
I'm sure it was a quote function learning curve Percy. Sort of like your missing "h" in hope above. lol
First, I know you don't really like reading the discussion. But we were discussing a tax increase on all rates.
Second, yes, there are people making over 250K a year who are bareley making ends meet. Small business owners, for example, who end up claiming profits on their personal statements. And there are also stupid people who make lots of money. Some members of Congress, for example.
250K for a family of 5 in NYC is not like 250K for a family of 5 in Bald Knob Arkansas....
"Quote: Originally Posted by percysunshine
To be honest with you, CP? I don't think you have a firm grasp on the scope of the deficit we're facing..."
I certainly hope that was an accident crediting me with a post I never posted. If it wasn't, you are a slime bag moron if you thought you would not be caught.
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You need to calm the **** down. The original post was from Old. Sorry I deleted the wrong section of the quoter thing. Why would I even fake crediting you on a forum that still has the previous post up. Look before you get amped fool.
You need to calm the **** down. The original post was from Old. Sorry I deleted the wrong section of the quoter thing. Why would I even fake crediting you on a forum that still has the previous post up. Look before you get amped fool.
250K for a family of 5 in NYC is not like 250K for a family of 5 in Bald Knob Arkansas....
Well they need to move to Bald Knob Arkansas.
We should not subsidize expensive city life by giving tax breaks.
Diamond Dave's post describing the 5 bullets and the idea of fair treatment was very insightful.
There is a point to be had that every program can be cut and that defense definitely has some waste. The idea that this discussion is painting me liberal I find laughable. I am merely suggesting ideas and options for a fix of the situation we face. If the cuts to spending could cover it all I would love that.
Now a question I've had for a while is why limiting deductions and closing tax loopholes is different than raising taxes on the wealthy. Don't they pay more either way?
Post fourty-three kind of negates your theory Avatar.
Without this government in place throughout the years, I believe our way of life would be entirely different at this point and we have the government at least philosophically to thank for it. Without our government a lot could have gone wrong in the past that didn't. Some that did, but most that didn't.