How Far to the Left is Too Far?

[KNB]

The same morons who insist that Hitler was "leftist" also claim that Obama is "socialist". Give one example to support these ridiculous claims.

You're right it is simple, he was a socialist, thus left wing. Socialist is left. Only a liberal would have problems understanding simple fact.

That is a child's thinking.

Have you ever heard the term "RINO"? It stands for "Republican In Name Only". Hitler was a Socialist in name only. In what way was Hitler a Socialist? Everyone is equal..... if you're white, blonde, with blue eyes. Leftists believe in multiculturalism. Did Hitler favor inclusion and amnesty? Tolerance and free love? Voting rights for minorities? No, he didn't support any of that because he was a right-wing fascist dictator, and all of world history agrees.

Seriously, who started this argument? How did this ever become a debate? What is the purpose of trying to say that Hitler was "leftist"? It's just some ridiculous childish way for you to point at liberals and say, "You're like Hitler!" It's just sad.

 

[HenryBHough]

Ah Hitler.

Silver tongued devil who never held a job until he made himself dictator.

Sound vaguely familiar?

 

[Dictator]

re: Socialist Party USA

Here are the people that have taken over the traditional Democratic Party. Who do you think they voted for in 2008 and 2012? Think they will back Warren(although they want Sanders) in 2016? You bet... in a heartbeat. Are there any Democrats out there that feel their party is too far to the left? Look at what this group stands for...is that not exactly what the Democratic Party stands for?

I looked these guys up once, and first line of their webiste proclaims 'we are feminist socialists', something like that, ie an Utter joke!

 

[RKMBrown]

Rush Limbaugh Defends Bush Era Torture

Rush Limbaugh Defends Bush Era Torture | Prometheus Unbound


December 11, 2012


BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: In fact, there's so much... They're trying to tell us today that the Bush economy let to the recession, created the recession and all that and the economic collapse in 2008. That wasn't Bush. That was the subprime mortgage problem that came due. That's when the excrement hit the fan. Bush actually tried to prevent that from happening. No, look, the Bush people never defended themselves; I don't know why I am.


The World According to an Obama Voter - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Clearly you don't understand the difference between defending Bush, and defending one Act of Bush's.

Bush spoke well of our troops, Bush defended our troops. Do you support our troops? Yes or No?

FYI by your above retarded view if you support our troops you are defending Bush.

Right, Hannnity, Rush, Beck, Faux, NONE of them EVER defend Bush and his horrible policies (tax cuts will create jobs??? lol)


Bush defended our troops? BY TAKING THEM TO WAR ON FALSE PREMISES? FKKKKKNG SERIOUSLY?

I didn't think my questions were to hard for you. Yes or no do you support our troops? (yes/no)
Yes or no do you or do you not understand the difference between supporting one act of a person and supporting all acts a person ever did from birth to death? (yes/no)

For example, I support how Obama has raised his girls, I do not support his statement that he would terminate any pregnancies of his girls. As another example, I supported one of Obama's speeches that he gave to the troops, every word from beginning to end. I found out later that he did not write or pre-approve it. I do not support 99% of the content of 99% of the speeches that he gives.

 

[kaz]

Seriously? You think the US Constitution was written by libertarians? lol

THE GUYS WHO DUMPED STRONG STATES RIGHTS FOR STRONG FEDERAL GOV'T? LOL


THE FOUNDERS WERE MANY THINGS, BUT THEY WEREN'T LIBERTARIANS....

The Washington Monthly

Not sure what you're smoking, but can I have a hit of that? It must be some good shit.

You may want to read the Constitution and about what Wilson and FDR in particular did to it because you know nothing about it.

Start with the 9th and 10th amendments. Let me know how it goes.

I know what the US Constitution was meant to be and is, a living document!

Yes, it is. And they said how to change it. 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4. Five of nine is no where in the document. And certainly government changing the Constitution isn't there either.

Of course right wingers want to use the propaganda that sold the US Constitution as 'evidence' of what the Founders meant, lol

I don't know what that means, but neither do you.

The right wing thing cracks me up. I'm pro-choice, think drugs, prostitution, gambling should be legal, anti-death penalty and I think our military should be half it's size and defensively focused and you're like duh, dar, sounds Republican to me!


I don't care that you call me a right winner, I think it's a hoot. What really cracks me up is then you think you're more open minded and smarter than Republicans. Republicans overwhelmingly grasp that I'm not them and I'm not you. Liberals almost never do.

That you're smarter than a doorknob much less a Republican isn't supported by the empirical data. You may want to Google what that means since I doubt you're smart enough to know.

Here's a test, what do the ninth and tenth Amendments say and what do they mean?

 

[kaz]

The US Constitution when it was created? The one that included slavery, didn't give women suffrage, and the electoral college?


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Where does the Constitution include slavery or deny women the right to vote? Can you show me that part?

No idea what your "electoral college" part means. There's nothing not libertarian about that. We believe in the rights of States, the electoral college helps average out the number of States versus the size of States. I see how it's not liberal, where you recognize States as being subservient to the central government, but that's not a libertarian view.

Madison and Washington both wanted states to be under federal control right?

No, they didn't. What's the point of that question exactly?

3/5ths?

And where is that in the Constitution?

Right from the beginning powers were being stripped from the states.

Enumerated powers. Google is great, you can google what that means. What do the 9th and 10th amendments say and what do they mean?

 

[Dad2three]

Clearly you don't understand the difference between defending Bush, and defending one Act of Bush's.

Bush spoke well of our troops, Bush defended our troops. Do you support our troops? Yes or No?

FYI by your above retarded view if you support our troops you are defending Bush.

Right, Hannnity, Rush, Beck, Faux, NONE of them EVER defend Bush and his horrible policies (tax cuts will create jobs??? lol)


Bush defended our troops? BY TAKING THEM TO WAR ON FALSE PREMISES? FKKKKKNG SERIOUSLY?

I didn't think my questions were to hard for you. Yes or no do you support our troops? (yes/no)
Yes or no do you or do you not understand the difference between supporting one act of a person and supporting all acts a person ever did from birth to death? (yes/no)

For example, I support how Obama has raised his girls, I do not support his statement that he would terminate any pregnancies of his girls. As another example, I supported one of Obama's speeches that he gave to the troops, every word from beginning to end. I found out later that he did not write or pre-approve it. I do not support 99% of the content of 99% of the speeches that he gives.

ONE MORE TIME


YOU POST # 250

" Name one person from the right that defends Bush."


http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/360251-how-far-to-the-left-is-too-far-17.html#post9332260

Now where are YOUR qualifiers you are outlining in your NEW premise?

 

[Dad2three]

Not sure what you're smoking, but can I have a hit of that? It must be some good shit.

You may want to read the Constitution and about what Wilson and FDR in particular did to it because you know nothing about it.

Start with the 9th and 10th amendments. Let me know how it goes.

I know what the US Constitution was meant to be and is, a living document!

Yes, it is. And they said how to change it. 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4. Five of nine is no where in the document. And certainly government changing the Constitution isn't there either.

Of course right wingers want to use the propaganda that sold the US Constitution as 'evidence' of what the Founders meant, lol

I don't know what that means, but neither do you.

The right wing thing cracks me up. I'm pro-choice, think drugs, prostitution, gambling should be legal, anti-death penalty and I think our military should be half it's size and defensively focused and you're like duh, dar, sounds Republican to me!


I don't care that you call me a right winner, I think it's a hoot. What really cracks me up is then you think you're more open minded and smarter than Republicans. Republicans overwhelmingly grasp that I'm not them and I'm not you. Liberals almost never do.

That you're smarter than a doorknob much less a Republican isn't supported by the empirical data. You may want to Google what that means since I doubt you're smart enough to know.

Here's a test, what do the ninth and tenth Amendments say and what do they mean?

More RIGHT WING LIBERTARIAN GARBAGE. I'm shocked

You mean those things that ROUTINELY argued by right wingers that things like SS, Medicare and Obamacares is an overreach? lol


In the LIVING Constitution?

 

[Dad2three]

Where does the Constitution include slavery or deny women the right to vote? Can you show me that part?

No idea what your "electoral college" part means. There's nothing not libertarian about that. We believe in the rights of States, the electoral college helps average out the number of States versus the size of States. I see how it's not liberal, where you recognize States as being subservient to the central government, but that's not a libertarian view.

Madison and Washington both wanted states to be under federal control right?

No, they didn't. What's the point of that question exactly?

3/5ths?

And where is that in the Constitution?

Right from the beginning powers were being stripped from the states.

Enumerated powers. Google is great, you can google what that means. What do the 9th and 10th amendments say and what do they mean?

Madison (AND GW AGREED)

One of the more novel provisions of the Virginia Plan, formulated by James Madison, who discussed the proposal in a number of letters prior to the Convention (Hobson 1979, 219), was a provision for a congressional negative on state laws. Section 6 of the Virginia Plan accordingly provided that Congress would have the power "to negative all laws passed by the several States, contravening in the opinion of the National Legislature the articles of Union" (Farrand 1937, I, 21).

ABC-CLIO SCHOOLS


Madison was thwarted on a wide range of minor and not-so-minor points, including two issues — a federal "negative" (veto) over the states and proportional representation in both houses of Congress — that he considered crucial to his dream of a government that would safeguard private rights and still promote the public good.

James Madison "Godfather of the Constitution" - The Early America Review, Summer 1997


Again, right wingershave argued FOREVER that the 8th and 10th mean more than Aeticle 1, they keep losing






The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

 

[kaz]

I know what the US Constitution was meant to be and is, a living document!

Yes, it is. And they said how to change it. 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4. Five of nine is no where in the document. And certainly government changing the Constitution isn't there either.

Of course right wingers want to use the propaganda that sold the US Constitution as 'evidence' of what the Founders meant, lol

I don't know what that means, but neither do you.

The right wing thing cracks me up. I'm pro-choice, think drugs, prostitution, gambling should be legal, anti-death penalty and I think our military should be half it's size and defensively focused and you're like duh, dar, sounds Republican to me!

I don't care that you call me a right winner, I think it's a hoot. What really cracks me up is then you think you're more open minded and smarter than Republicans. Republicans overwhelmingly grasp that I'm not them and I'm not you. Liberals almost never do.

That you're smarter than a doorknob much less a Republican isn't supported by the empirical data. You may want to Google what that means since I doubt you're smart enough to know.


More RIGHT WING LIBERTARIAN GARBAGE. I'm shocked

You mean those things that ROUTINELY argued by right wingers that things like SS, Medicare and Obamacares is an overreach? lol

I'm not, you're a moron.

In the LIVING Constitution?

So what about answering the question?

Here's a test, what do the ninth and tenth Amendments say and what do they mean?

Did you know the Constitution actually prescribes how to change it? Here's a hint. 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4, do you know what that means?

 

[Dad2three]

Yes, it is. And they said how to change it. 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4. Five of nine is no where in the document. And certainly government changing the Constitution isn't there either.




I don't know what that means, but neither do you.

The right wing thing cracks me up. I'm pro-choice, think drugs, prostitution, gambling should be legal, anti-death penalty and I think our military should be half it's size and defensively focused and you're like duh, dar, sounds Republican to me!

I don't care that you call me a right winner, I think it's a hoot. What really cracks me up is then you think you're more open minded and smarter than Republicans. Republicans overwhelmingly grasp that I'm not them and I'm not you. Liberals almost never do.

That you're smarter than a doorknob much less a Republican isn't supported by the empirical data. You may want to Google what that means since I doubt you're smart enough to know.


More RIGHT WING LIBERTARIAN GARBAGE. I'm shocked

You mean those things that ROUTINELY argued by right wingers that things like SS, Medicare and Obamacares is an overreach? lol

I'm not, you're a moron.



So what about answering the question?

Here's a test, what do the ninth and tenth Amendments say and what do they mean?

Did you know the Constitution actually prescribes how to change it? Here's a hint. 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4, do you know what that means?

SERIOUSLY? lol

 

[RKMBrown]

Right, Hannnity, Rush, Beck, Faux, NONE of them EVER defend Bush and his horrible policies (tax cuts will create jobs??? lol)


Bush defended our troops? BY TAKING THEM TO WAR ON FALSE PREMISES? FKKKKKNG SERIOUSLY?

I didn't think my questions were to hard for you. Yes or no do you support our troops? (yes/no)
Yes or no do you or do you not understand the difference between supporting one act of a person and supporting all acts a person ever did from birth to death? (yes/no)

For example, I support how Obama has raised his girls, I do not support his statement that he would terminate any pregnancies of his girls. As another example, I supported one of Obama's speeches that he gave to the troops, every word from beginning to end. I found out later that he did not write or pre-approve it. I do not support 99% of the content of 99% of the speeches that he gives.

ONE MORE TIME


YOU POST # 250

" Name one person from the right that defends Bush."


http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/360251-how-far-to-the-left-is-too-far-17.html#post9332260

Now where are YOUR qualifiers you are outlining in your NEW premise?

I'll take it then that you don't support our troops. And that you are a marxist pig piece of shit that never once defended Bush not even on 9/11.

 

[kaz]

Did you know the Constitution actually prescribes how to change it? Here's a hint. 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4, do you know what that means?

SERIOUSLY? lol

Duck and dodge and evade, that's all you have. Simple questions.

What do the 9th and 10th amendments mean?

What does 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4 refer to?

You have completely voided the law of the land. It means nothing to you other than parsing it for anything that supports whatever transactional position you're arguing. And then when confronted with what it says, you evade the question.

The left went to far when you turned over your personal responsibility to government. That is why liberals are not liberal, you are authoritarian leftists. The true liberals are libertarians. We believe responsibility for our liberalness is with ourselves.