TheGreenHornet
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I am well aware of all of that but I am not referring specifically to the stolen valor act.a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI?Yet....there are available statistics regarding the number of Black deaths in WWIIAmerican black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ...
There were 2 divisions that were totally black. They lost 1,647 and 3,547 men in combat, respectively.
And the men serving in manual labor jobs, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks were still in the US Army and still serving in the war.
Were they serving under French command?
Yes. Like many multinational military units, the command was given to one nation. The men were still serving in the US Army.
What do you mean by the term multinational military units?
In this case, the French were in desperate need of men. The US sent members of the US Army to give them relief. But the overall area was under French command.
From the article Coyote posted and I posted:
"The situation was desperate in France, and with exhausted and dwindling armies, the French begged the United States for men. GEN John Pershing, commander of the American Expeditionary Force, promised them four American regiments."
From what I am seeing posted on here it appears the only deaths of Black American Soldiers were those under French command.....interesting but not the topic or an answer to my question.....but as it stands it appears there were more American Black Soldiers killed in WWI than in WWII.
In WWII there were approx. 800 American Black Soldiers killed.....why are the stats available for WWII but not for WWI?
The number of American Black soldiers killed in WWI must be out there somewhere???
It is not just "Black Soldiers". There were also Latino and Asian soldiers. The military was simply not obsessed about "Racial Demographics" yet. Nobody was.
You also had American blacks who died when fighting with the Communists in Spain, nobody tracked those either. And the same in the Spanish-American War, or the Indian Wars. This obsession with how many of what race died is a rather recent thing.
Perhaps WWI is just not that significant to the statisticians.
Well, tell you what then, bubba.
I already gave you a reference to a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI. Or you can go to the VA Archives and sift through hundreds of thousands of records yourself and compile the data that way.
Why don't you do it? Or have the UL, NAACP, BLM, or some other organization go to the cost and time to figure this out?
Myself, I find it rather lazy and silly that you are screaming that it has not been done yet. Well, if this is so important to you, do it yourself. All the records are public information, I gave you a link to a book that had lots of them, just not put in the format you want. Not my problem, if it is that important to you, do the research yourself.
And yes, I might have a curiosity as to how many American Indians died in that war. But ultimately, it is not that important to me. Because I do not classify levels of sacrifice by the color of somebodies skin.
That must be one big book....do you know how many millions died in WWI?
The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I, was around 40 million. There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians.
It appears that of all that approx 2 thousand black soldiers were also killed.
Also....approx a little over 50,000 white American soldiers were killed.
I have no idea how many of them were white supremacists.....maybe joe could tell you.
United States military casualties of war - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Also....one other thing comes to mind here......the term 'stolen valor'.....I really hate to mention it....but if you add up the total number of whites killed in all of our wars and then add up the total number of blacks killed in all our wars.....whilst keeping in mind the current attitude in the biden's regime's attitude towards White Soldiers then that term 'stolen valour' jumps up screaming in my mind.
a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI?Yet....there are available statistics regarding the number of Black deaths in WWIIAmerican black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ...
There were 2 divisions that were totally black. They lost 1,647 and 3,547 men in combat, respectively.
And the men serving in manual labor jobs, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks were still in the US Army and still serving in the war.
Were they serving under French command?
Yes. Like many multinational military units, the command was given to one nation. The men were still serving in the US Army.
What do you mean by the term multinational military units?
In this case, the French were in desperate need of men. The US sent members of the US Army to give them relief. But the overall area was under French command.
From the article Coyote posted and I posted:
"The situation was desperate in France, and with exhausted and dwindling armies, the French begged the United States for men. GEN John Pershing, commander of the American Expeditionary Force, promised them four American regiments."
From what I am seeing posted on here it appears the only deaths of Black American Soldiers were those under French command.....interesting but not the topic or an answer to my question.....but as it stands it appears there were more American Black Soldiers killed in WWI than in WWII.
In WWII there were approx. 800 American Black Soldiers killed.....why are the stats available for WWII but not for WWI?
The number of American Black soldiers killed in WWI must be out there somewhere???
It is not just "Black Soldiers". There were also Latino and Asian soldiers. The military was simply not obsessed about "Racial Demographics" yet. Nobody was.
You also had American blacks who died when fighting with the Communists in Spain, nobody tracked those either. And the same in the Spanish-American War, or the Indian Wars. This obsession with how many of what race died is a rather recent thing.
Perhaps WWI is just not that significant to the statisticians.
Well, tell you what then, bubba.
I already gave you a reference to a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI. Or you can go to the VA Archives and sift through hundreds of thousands of records yourself and compile the data that way.
Why don't you do it? Or have the UL, NAACP, BLM, or some other organization go to the cost and time to figure this out?
Myself, I find it rather lazy and silly that you are screaming that it has not been done yet. Well, if this is so important to you, do it yourself. All the records are public information, I gave you a link to a book that had lots of them, just not put in the format you want. Not my problem, if it is that important to you, do the research yourself.
And yes, I might have a curiosity as to how many American Indians died in that war. But ultimately, it is not that important to me. Because I do not classify levels of sacrifice by the color of somebodies skin.
That must be one big book....do you know how many millions died in WWI?
The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I, was around 40 million. There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians.
It appears that of all that approx 2 thousand black soldiers were also killed.
Also....approx a little over 50,000 white American soldiers were killed.
I have no idea how many of them were white supremacists.....maybe joe could tell you.
United States military casualties of war - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Also....one other thing comes to mind here......the term 'stolen valor'.....I really hate to mention it....but if you add up the total number of whites killed in all of our wars and then add up the total number of blacks killed in all our wars.....whilst keeping in mind the current attitude in the biden's regime's attitude towards White Soldiers then that term 'stolen valour' jumps up screaming in my mind.
Stolen Valor is about people claiming to have served when they did not. It has nothing to do with the number of dead.
In WWI there were around 50,000 US casualties from the war itself. Another 63,000 died from other causes, most notably from the Spanish Flu epidemic.
If there were significantly fewer black soldiers killed in WWI it can be traced to two facts.
#1 - Blacks were not allowed in the US Marine Corp in WWI, and only served in labor or service positions in the US Navy.
#2 - Blacks were mostly used in labor and service in the US Army as well. Most never saw combat.
Stolen Valor is about people claiming to have served when they did not. It has nothing to do with the number of dead.
In WWI there were around 50,000 US casualties from the war itself. Another 63,000 died from other causes, most notably from the Spanish Flu epidemic.
If there were significantly fewer black soldiers killed in WWI it can be traced to two facts.
#1 - Blacks were not allowed in the US Marine Corp in WWI, and only served in labor or service positions in the US Navy.
#2 - Blacks were mostly used in labor and service in the US Army as well. Most never saw combat.
Stolen Valor has broader applications than the narrow confines of the particular law addressing the issue.
My contention is that Joe Biden has dishonored all white veterans by his accusations of White Supremacy....which essentially in practical terms equates with stolen valor.
Whilst at the same time he and his party particuarly honors all the minority members of the military at every opportunity....this amounts to stealing the valor of White Soldiers who have overwhelmingly contributed more to the defense of America than any other group yet biden attempts to not only steal their rightful honor but to transfer it to those who did far less.
Thus by his words and actions he has denigrated and dis-honored all white servicemen by attempting to steal their rightful honor and valor and give it to others.
Absolutely disgraceful.
I served 3 years and I have talked with lots of other veterans....I never saw any evidence whatsoever of white supremacy in the military nor has any other veteran I have talked with.
I am not saying there has never been a particular instance of it but it is certainly not a major issue in the military as biden infers.
Congress needs to reprimand him at least for his reprehensible comments on this matter which has become a major fallacious theme of his despicable regime......designed at least to further divide the nation and create more racial problems at a time we are already undergoing extremely high levels of racial tension whilst our foreign threats are higher than at any time in our history and increasing.
Not even to mention how hypocritical he is ----having campaigned on a promise of unity.
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