HTF Did Trump Win?

[iamwhatiseem]

This is been discussed at least 1000 times now.
It is very simple really. If you are NOT a degenerate, have actually held a job most of your life and have never used and abused social services, belong to the middle class that has been trampled to death for the past 16 years and absolutely sick of it - you had the brains to refuse to vote for yet another bought and paid for corporate puppet...especially another middle class hating liberal

 

[Meathead]

The GOP cheated, as usual. There were 7.2 million voters, mostly minorities, who were prevented from voting under the guise of voter fraud, though not one person alleged to have voted in 2 stated was charged!!!

The GOP's Stealth War Against Voters

Like all weapons of vote suppression, Crosscheck is a response to the imaginary menace of mass voter fraud. In the mid-2000s, after the Florida-recount debacle, the Bush administration launched a five-year investigation into the allegedly rampant crime but found scant evidence of wrongdoing. Still, the GOP has perpetuated the myth in every national election since. Recently, North Carolina Board of Elections chief Kim Strach testified to her legislature that 35,750 voters are "registered in North Carolina and another state and voted in both in the 2012 general election." [Editor’s note: This quote was taken from the power point that accompanied Strach’s testimony. In a subsequent letter, she informed us that during her presentation she "stressed that we were not suggesting that 35,750 voters had committed any type of fraud. My testimony was that the data we received from the Crosscheck Program showed that in the 2012 general election, there were 35,750 people who voted in North Carolina whose first and last names and dates of birth matched persons who voted in the same election in another state.”] Yet despite hiring an ex-FBI agent to lead the hunt, the state has charged exactly zero double voters from the Crosscheck list. Nevertheless, tens of thousands face the loss of their ability to vote – all for the sake of preventing a crime that rarely happens. So far, Crosscheck has tagged an astonishing 7.2 million suspects, yet we found no more than four perpetrators who have been charged with double voting or deliberate double registration.

On its surface, Crosscheck seems quite reasonable. Twenty-eight participating states share their voter lists and, in the name of dispassionate, race-blind Big Data, seek to ensure the rolls are up to date. To make sure the system finds suspect voters, Crosscheck supposedly matches first, middle and last name, plus birth date, and provides the last four digits of a Social Security number for additional verification.

In reality, however, there have been signs that the program doesn't operate as advertised. Some states have dropped out of Crosscheck, citing problems with its methodology, as Oregon's secretary of state recently explained: "We left [Crosscheck] because the data we received was unreliable."

In our effort to report on the program, we contacted every state for their Crosscheck list. But because voting twice is a felony, state after state told us their lists of suspects were part of a criminal investigation and, as such, confidential. Then we got a break. A clerk in Virginia sent us its Crosscheck list of suspects, which a letter from the state later said was done "in error."

The Virginia list was a revelation. In all, 342,556 names were listed as apparently registered to vote in both Virginia and another state as of January 2014. Thirteen percent of the people on the Crosscheck list, already flagged as inactive voters, were almost immediately removed, meaning a stunning 41,637 names were "canceled" from voter rolls, most of them just before Election Day.

We were able to obtain more lists – Georgia and Washington state, the total number of voters adding up to more than 1 million matches – and Crosscheck's results seemed at best deeply flawed. We found that one-fourth of the names on the list actually lacked a middle-name match. The system can also mistakenly identify fathers and sons as the same voter, ignoring designations of Jr. and Sr. A whole lot of people named "James Brown" are suspected of voting or registering twice, 357 of them in Georgia alone. But according to Crosscheck, James Willie Brown is supposed to be the same voter as James Arthur Brown. James Clifford Brown is allegedly the same voter as James Lynn Brown.

And those promised birth dates and Social Security numbers? The Crosscheck instruction manual says that "Social Security numbers are included for verification; the numbers might or might not match" – which leaves a crucial step in the identification process up to the states. Social Security numbers weren't even included in the state lists we obtained.

We had Mark Swedlund, a database expert whose clients include eBay and American Express, look at the data from Georgia and Virginia, and he was shocked by Crosscheck's "childish methodology." He added, "God forbid your name is Garcia, of which there are 858,000 in the U.S., and your first name is Joseph or Jose. You're probably suspected of voting in 27 states."

Swedlund's statistical analysis found that African-American, Latino and Asian names predominate, a simple result of the Crosscheck matching process, which spews out little more than a bunch of common names. No surprise: The U.S. Census data shows that minorities are overrepresented in 85 of 100 of the most common last names. If your name is Washington, there's an 89 percent chance you're African-American. If your last name is Hernandez, there's a 94 percent chance you're Hispanic. If your name is Kim, there's a 95 percent chance you're Asian.

The Crosscheck program, started by Kris Kobach, has spread to over two dozen states, tagging more than 7 million voters as possibly suspect. Christopher Smith/Washington Post/Getty
This inherent bias results in an astonishing one in six Hispanics, one in seven Asian-Americans and one in nine African-Americans in Crosscheck states landing on the list. Was the program designed to target voters of color? "I'm a data guy," Swedlund says. "I can't tell you what the intent was. I can only tell you what the outcome is. And the outcome is discriminatory against minorities."

Yes! Of course! I am glad to have such a clear and intuitive mind chip in to this thread I created.

 

[PurpleOwl]

I've been watching the political pundits from many sources (yeah, get a life - I know)) and everyone indicated that only straight, white male uneducated country hicks and greedy billionaires were going to vote for Trump. Roughly, I figure that to be about 10 to 15% of the electorate..., maybe.

WTF happened?

his minions are orange not white

 

[Richard-H]

I've been watching the political pundits from many sources (yeah, get a life - I know)) and everyone indicated that only straight, white male uneducated country hicks and greedy billionaires were going to vote for Trump. Roughly, I figure that to be about 10 to 15% of the electorate..., maybe.

WTF happened?

"Everyone" (actually a tiny minority in the media and academie, of course) was wrong, of course.

And normal Americans got tired of having things they didn't want, shoved down their throats by the minority of liberals in power.

So when a candidate showed up who was tough enough to kick the liberals out and keep kicking, the normal Americans voted him in.

Nope, the polls were right and the exit polls were right, the GOP cheated as they always do and the Democrats are too stupid to stop them!

If you know of anyway that the Republicans could have cheated in the elections, please let us know.

While I do not know the nuts and bolts of the election process, the only way I can think of is if they paid off one hell of a lot of election officials. But if they did that, it would only be a matter of time until it was found out...so I don't think so...

 

[regent]

Trump threatened to sue the American people if not elected.

 

[Meathead]

While I do not know the nuts and bolts of the election process, the only way I can think of is if they paid off one hell of a lot of election officials. But if they did that, it would only be a matter of time until it was found out...so I don't think so...

Fascinating stuff. Thank you!

 

[Harry Dresden]

I've been watching the political pundits from many sources (yeah, get a life - I know)) and everyone indicated that only straight, white male uneducated country hicks and greedy billionaires were going to vote for Trump. Roughly, I figure that to be about 10 to 15% of the electorate..., maybe.

WTF happened?

"Everyone" (actually a tiny minority in the media and academie, of course) was wrong, of course.

And normal Americans got tired of having things they didn't want, shoved down their throats by the minority of liberals in power.

So when a candidate showed up who was tough enough to kick the liberals out and keep kicking, the normal Americans voted him in.

Nope, the polls were right and the exit polls were right, the GOP cheated as they always do and the Democrats are too stupid to stop them!

wait a minute.....your good buddy dean says that righties are stupid people who dont believe in education....so how can they outsmart those educated lefties?....

 

[Meathead]

Trump threatened to sue the American people if not elected.

Seriously, I had no idea that this thread would devolve into a dingbat conspiracy exchange. I used to think that was the lot of MSM.

 

[g5000]

I've been watching the political pundits from many sources (yeah, get a life - I know)) and everyone indicated that only straight, white male uneducated country hicks and greedy billionaires were going to vote for Trump. Roughly, I figure that to be about 10 to 15% of the electorate..., maybe.

WTF happened?

First, there are more retards than we realized.

Second, the pundits didn't say only retards were going to vote for Trump. They said only retards LIKED Trump.

Most of the people who voted for Trump are like my dad. My dad can't stand Trump. But he hated Clinton more. I took him to the polls on Election Day, and he voted for the straight Republican ticket. Then he told me, "I hate Trump, but I just don't want Hillary to win big." Like everyone else, he thought Clinton was going to win. My dad was just as surprised as everyone else when Trump won.

Only about 30 percent of Republicans liked Trump, as we saw in the primaries. The rest just hated Clinton more.

 

[g5000]

Addendum to my previous post:

The rest of Trump's victory is owed to hard work and sweat. Trump wanted the prize more than Hillary did. He worked ten times harder for it, and created an enthusiasm gap.

Simple as that.

 

[easyt65]

I've been watching the political pundits from many sources (yeah, get a life - I know)) and everyone indicated that only straight, white male uneducated country hicks and greedy billionaires were going to vote for Trump. Roughly, I figure that to be about 10 to 15% of the electorate..., maybe.

WTF happened?

HOW?

Hillary was the worst candidate to ever run for President in US history.

Hillary was FURTHER exposed as a self/party-serving, lying, corrupt, incompetent, in dismal health criminal who could not even win her own Party's nomination without a rigged Primary, debate questions in advance, and voter fraud during the Primary.

The DNC was exposed as lying, cheating, racist, sexist, anti-Catholic, homophobic, anti-Semites who rigged their Primary to get Hillary the nomination.

Democrats / Hillary encouraged - and in some cases FUNDED - intimidation, violence, beating, and bloodying Trump supporters, blowing up the GOP HQ, etc...

Democrats - like the Obama administration - was exposed as liars - involved in Hillary's scandal, etc...

This was all on top of the fact that Americans were tired of not only Washington Insider / Establishment BS but they were also tired of the democrats' / Obama's policies, vision, agenda, etc - as demonstrated by for a 2nd time Obama declared the 2nd election in a row to be about all of that and once again they got a 2nd historic, record-setting, ass-kicking.

PROVING who they truly are and what they were about the whole time, after the election was over - AFTER Hillary said to question the election results is to undermine our democracy - Liberals have attempted to declare a win based on an irrelevant system, attempted to achieve a win through failed recounts, attempted to steal the victory by flipping Electoral voters, concocted the BS 'the Russians stole the election' story, and have continuously used 'Fake News' and 'All-In' media BS to try to undermine the President of the United States...not to mention the entire Democratic Party just declared the only thing they will do for the next 4 years is engage in a 'scorched earth' policy of sitting on their collective asses and do nothing except oppose EVERYTHING the GOP/President wants...for the good of their party. (As Obama said, bit@hes - 'Elections have consequences - Grow up!)

Just the other day snowflakes held a Women's march...almost all asked why they were there had no clue. One of the 'prominent' women they highlighted to speak was a CONVICTED KIDNAPPER, TORTURER, SODOMIZER, AND MURDERER...demanding respect for women (while ladies walked around in Vagina costumes)!

And REMARKABLY Libs still can't understand why they lost. HOLY F*!

 

[Richard-H]

Besides the skewed polls and the rise in Obamacare premiums, Clinton ran a poor campaign. She, like most liberals, assumed that almost no one would vote for Trump...he clearly suffers from narcissistic personality disorder...we thought that everyone would recognize that. We were wrong.

Clinton's thinking that people would vote for her simply because she was a woman was wrong. Her answer to question about her economic policies (download my policy paper from my website) was not a good answer. Her failure to heed the Sander crowd..to change her message was also wrong. Finally, her intention to be an extension of the Obama administration made her the ho-hum candidate - nothing to get people excited.

Meanwhile, for better or worse, Trump got people excited which seems to be the winning formula in this case.

 

[Meathead]

First, there are more retards than we realized.

The inference is clear. I would not imply that my family, much less my father were retards. But I suppose we are all different.

I still think it's a bit scummy though.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I've been watching the political pundits from many sources (yeah, get a life - I know)) and everyone indicated that only straight, white male uneducated country hicks and greedy billionaires were going to vote for Trump. Roughly, I figure that to be about 10 to 15% of the electorate..., maybe.

WTF happened?

"Everyone" (actually a tiny minority in the media and academie, of course) was wrong, of course.

And normal Americans got tired of having things they didn't want, shoved down their throats by the minority of liberals in power.

So when a candidate showed up who was tough enough to kick the liberals out and keep kicking, the normal Americans voted him in.

Nope, the polls were right and the exit polls were right, the GOP cheated as they always do and the Democrats are too stupid to stop them!

How did they cheat?

 

[Defiant1]

I suspect that the Republicans are winning elections using a simple and legal scam:

They simply tell their most loyal people to lie when answering polls. i.e. to say that they will vote for the democratic candidate.

This skews polls in favor of the Democrats, which in turn causes the Democratic campaigns to mis-allocate campaign resources.

For example, Republicans lying when polled in Wisconsin made it seem that Wisconsin was solidly Democrat when it was in fact a battle ground state. The Democrats felt safe not campaigning in Wisconsin or allocating campaign resources. The result was that they lost Wisconsin.

Besides that, when the Obamacare premiums were raised, just before the election, it pissed a hell of a lot of people off - so they voted for Trump.

Richard, I am on my county's Republican Executive Committee and we have been telling our Republican brothers and sisters to do that for years.

I'm glad to see that it's finally working.

 

[g5000]

I suspect that the Republicans are winning elections using a simple and legal scam:

They simply tell their most loyal people to lie when answering polls. i.e. to say that they will vote for the democratic candidate.

It is nowhere near as complicated as that.

They simply dumbed down the rube herd to the point they will bleev what they are told to bleev. The herd bleevs any lie which comes from their propaganda sources...with zeal.

 

[Meathead]

They simply dumbed down the rube herd to the point they will bleev what they are told to bleev. The herd bleevs any lie which comes from their propaganda sources...with zeal.

Idiots will "bleev" anything. It comes from watching things like SNL.

 

[Little-Acorn]

I suspect that the Republicans are winning elections using a simple and legal scam:
They simply tell their most loyal people to lie when answering polls. i.e. to say that they will vote for the democratic candidate.

TRANSLATION: I have no evidence that this occurred, or anything like it. But I really wish it did, so I'll push it as something "likely". Instead of telling the truth: That Hillary was a piss-poor candidate who couldn't even beat a businessman who wasn't even a politician; and the news media was incompetent in drawing up its polls.

 

[Meathead]

I suspect that the Republicans are winning elections using a simple and legal scam:
They simply tell their most loyal people to lie when answering polls. i.e. to say that they will vote for the democratic candidate.

TRANSLATION: I have no evidence that this occurred, or anything like it. But I really wish it did, so I'll push it as something "likely". Instead of telling the truth: That Hillary was a piss-poor candidate who couldn't even beat a businessman who wasn't even a politician; and the news media was incompetent in drawing up its polls.

The alternative translation, and far more succinct, is that I'm a dingbat.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I will explain how Trump won...

Hillary Clinton was the Democratic Nominee, and beside Cali, New York and Illinois very few other states wanted that failure as President...

Now had Webb been the Democratic choice last November would Trump had won?

Who knows but Clinton lost because she was the worst choice...

Hell I voted for Johnson here in Texas because the two main candidates suck blue balls to me!