I guess the libs are right about guns - you can get one for 10 dollars! Only in America!

[2aguy]

This is a deadly weapon and can be had for 10 dollars! We need sensible laws!

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Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

It is already against the law to buy a gun, from anywhere, as a felon. Criminals already use straw buyers to buy guns from gun stores.....since straw buyers can pass already mandated Federal Background checks, that means that those same straw buyers would pass any kind of background check for private sales as well......which makes your post pointless........

We don't need new gun laws....we have laws to arrest and imprison straw buyers, and anyone who uses a gun in a crime, or felons who merely possess a gun.....

What we need is to stop the democrats from releasing violent, known, repeat gun offenders from prison.....you know, the ones actually using guns for crime and murder....

Why do the democrats keep releasing violent gun criminals from jail and prison? Can you answer that question? Considering that they are the ones calling for more and more gun control while letting actual gun criminals out of jail and prison?

 

[miketx]

Miketx is right. Just make mandatory sentences for possession of a gun and use of a gun in a crime.


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The NRA tried to do that years ago but the politicians killed it. And I assume you mean by "possessing a gun" you are talking about felons and criminals.

Yes. I mean criminal’s. It would slow a lot down. If they didn’t pass it, time to revisit it.


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Good luck getting them to do anything besides chase Trump.

 

[Darkwind]

This is a deadly weapon and can be had for 10 dollars! We need sensible laws!

View attachment 264848

Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

Small government. That's a good one.

 

[miketx]

This is a deadly weapon and can be had for 10 dollars! We need sensible laws!

View attachment 264848

Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

If you people couldn't lie 90 percent of your posts would be gone.

 

[Toronado3800]

This is a deadly weapon and can be had for 10 dollars! We need sensible laws!

View attachment 264848

Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

There are no loopholes you twit......we already have all the laws we need to prosecute and catch straw buyers......

The problem isn't loopholes....the problem is that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians......the ones screaming the loudest about new gun laws on normal people.....are the ones releasing repeat, violent gun offenders back onto the streets over and over again....and not punishing straw buyers when they are caught....because those straw buyers are the mothers, grandmothers, sisters of the gang members who use the guns to commit murder....and they often buy those guns under the threat of physical violence.....

Straw Purchasing Guns: US Needs to Take It Seriously | [site:name] | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

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I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

You must be unaware of some of our private transaction laws here. Keep in mind we have 50, FIFTY states, its kinda ridiculous to have one country with so many laws. but anyways.

Preaching to the choir here on the second part. I'll back serious prison time to the death penalty for anyone who Strawman purchases a gun for someone who can't legally own one.

 

[Toronado3800]

This is a deadly weapon and can be had for 10 dollars! We need sensible laws!

View attachment 264848

Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

If you people couldn't lie 90 percent of your posts would be gone.

Anything in particular on your mind or you just had a good saying you wanted to type?

 

[2aguy]

This is a deadly weapon and can be had for 10 dollars! We need sensible laws!

View attachment 264848

Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

There are no loopholes you twit......we already have all the laws we need to prosecute and catch straw buyers......

The problem isn't loopholes....the problem is that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians......the ones screaming the loudest about new gun laws on normal people.....are the ones releasing repeat, violent gun offenders back onto the streets over and over again....and not punishing straw buyers when they are caught....because those straw buyers are the mothers, grandmothers, sisters of the gang members who use the guns to commit murder....and they often buy those guns under the threat of physical violence.....

Straw Purchasing Guns: US Needs to Take It Seriously | [site:name] | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

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I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

You must be unaware of some of our private transaction laws here. Keep in mind we have 50, FIFTY states, its kinda ridiculous to have one country with so many laws. but anyways.

Preaching to the choir here on the second part. I'll back serious prison time to the death penalty for anyone who Strawman purchases a gun for someone who can't legally own one.

Yes....we have all the laws we need to put all the gun criminals in jail....

What you fail to understand, the democrats keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail, over and over again, and keep reducing the punishments for gun crimes wherever they have power....that is why democrat controlled neighborhoods have so much gun murder....

The rest of the country? Very little gun violence.

 

[2aguy]

This is a deadly weapon and can be had for 10 dollars! We need sensible laws!

View attachment 264848

Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

There are no loopholes you twit......we already have all the laws we need to prosecute and catch straw buyers......

The problem isn't loopholes....the problem is that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians......the ones screaming the loudest about new gun laws on normal people.....are the ones releasing repeat, violent gun offenders back onto the streets over and over again....and not punishing straw buyers when they are caught....because those straw buyers are the mothers, grandmothers, sisters of the gang members who use the guns to commit murder....and they often buy those guns under the threat of physical violence.....

Straw Purchasing Guns: US Needs to Take It Seriously | [site:name] | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

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I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

You must be unaware of some of our private transaction laws here. Keep in mind we have 50, FIFTY states, its kinda ridiculous to have one country with so many laws. but anyways.

Preaching to the choir here on the second part. I'll back serious prison time to the death penalty for anyone who Strawman purchases a gun for someone who can't legally own one.

Then why did democrats in California reduce the penalty for straw buyers? While the Republicans and the NRA tried to keep those penalties in the law?

At the bottom, you will see "supplying a firearm to a gang member" Which is a straw purchase and an illegal sale......and yet the democrats are reducing the sentence on that.......

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

 

[Toronado3800]

This is a deadly weapon and can be had for 10 dollars! We need sensible laws!

View attachment 264848

Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

There are no loopholes you twit......we already have all the laws we need to prosecute and catch straw buyers......

The problem isn't loopholes....the problem is that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians......the ones screaming the loudest about new gun laws on normal people.....are the ones releasing repeat, violent gun offenders back onto the streets over and over again....and not punishing straw buyers when they are caught....because those straw buyers are the mothers, grandmothers, sisters of the gang members who use the guns to commit murder....and they often buy those guns under the threat of physical violence.....

Straw Purchasing Guns: US Needs to Take It Seriously | [site:name] | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

--------

I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

You must be unaware of some of our private transaction laws here. Keep in mind we have 50, FIFTY states, its kinda ridiculous to have one country with so many laws. but anyways.

Preaching to the choir here on the second part. I'll back serious prison time to the death penalty for anyone who Strawman purchases a gun for someone who can't legally own one.

Yes....we have all the laws we need to put all the gun criminals in jail....

What you fail to understand, the democrats keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail, over and over again, and keep reducing the punishments for gun crimes wherever they have power....that is why democrat controlled neighborhoods have so much gun murder....

The rest of the country? Very little gun violence.

Hey, I'm for a random chance of getting a death sentence if you bump a parking meter driving while drunk or stoned. It could have been my kids.

Onto the party worship factor:

Haven't we had the conversation about the "Red" party fleeing as soon as a black man moves in?

If not, I typed this out last night for someone else.

"Since the civil rights act and the party realignment:

Here new subdivisions start off "red". A minority member moves in and the "reds" know other "reds" won't ever buy a house in their neighborhood again so the "reds" sell immediately.

Now demand for the property has fallen, prices go down, half the population doesn't want to live there. "blues" with jobs start moving out and poof. You have a "blue" neighborhood ruined by the "blues" you think?

Its really not that extreme or clear cut but that's the pattern. The least wealthy of the "blues" who are left don't get credit but also neither do the "reds" for anything but knowing when to sell by recognizing the economic effects of their own racism."

Now there is no defending "ghetto culture" or whatever. I just think the party worship needs to be limited before our cheerleader skirts get too tight.

 

[Toronado3800]

This is a deadly weapon and can be had for 10 dollars! We need sensible laws!

View attachment 264848

Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

There are no loopholes you twit......we already have all the laws we need to prosecute and catch straw buyers......

The problem isn't loopholes....the problem is that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians......the ones screaming the loudest about new gun laws on normal people.....are the ones releasing repeat, violent gun offenders back onto the streets over and over again....and not punishing straw buyers when they are caught....because those straw buyers are the mothers, grandmothers, sisters of the gang members who use the guns to commit murder....and they often buy those guns under the threat of physical violence.....

Straw Purchasing Guns: US Needs to Take It Seriously | [site:name] | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

--------

I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

You must be unaware of some of our private transaction laws here. Keep in mind we have 50, FIFTY states, its kinda ridiculous to have one country with so many laws. but anyways.

Preaching to the choir here on the second part. I'll back serious prison time to the death penalty for anyone who Strawman purchases a gun for someone who can't legally own one.

Then why did democrats in California reduce the penalty for straw buyers? While the Republicans and the NRA tried to keep those penalties in the law?

At the bottom, you will see "supplying a firearm to a gang member" Which is a straw purchase and an illegal sale......and yet the democrats are reducing the sentence on that.......

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

I'm not here to defend anyone who reduced the penalty. See, I'm not a blind party worshiper with pennants on my wall. I think you're talking to someone else.

 

[miketx]

This is a deadly weapon and can be had for 10 dollars! We need sensible laws!

View attachment 264848

Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

There are no loopholes you twit......we already have all the laws we need to prosecute and catch straw buyers......

The problem isn't loopholes....the problem is that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians......the ones screaming the loudest about new gun laws on normal people.....are the ones releasing repeat, violent gun offenders back onto the streets over and over again....and not punishing straw buyers when they are caught....because those straw buyers are the mothers, grandmothers, sisters of the gang members who use the guns to commit murder....and they often buy those guns under the threat of physical violence.....

Straw Purchasing Guns: US Needs to Take It Seriously | [site:name] | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

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I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

You must be unaware of some of our private transaction laws here. Keep in mind we have 50, FIFTY states, its kinda ridiculous to have one country with so many laws. but anyways.

Preaching to the choir here on the second part. I'll back serious prison time to the death penalty for anyone who Strawman purchases a gun for someone who can't legally own one.

Yes....we have all the laws we need to put all the gun criminals in jail....

What you fail to understand, the democrats keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail, over and over again, and keep reducing the punishments for gun crimes wherever they have power....that is why democrat controlled neighborhoods have so much gun murder....

The rest of the country? Very little gun violence.

3 murderers who struck again after they were released from prison

Many more here: A List of Murderers Released to Murder Again!

Huntsville manslaughter suspect released 6 years early; fatal crash 2 months later

Convicted Salford murderer kills again in 'strikingly similar' attack to 17 years ago

Man Who Killed 10 People in 1984 ‘Palm Sunday Massacre’ Is Released From Prison

Nearly 100 killers, rapists and paedophiles released only to be jailed AGAIN | Daily Mail Online

Recently released convicted murderer arrested in Sumter County homicide

There are many more to post.

 

[2aguy]

This is a deadly weapon and can be had for 10 dollars! We need sensible laws!

View attachment 264848

Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

There are no loopholes you twit......we already have all the laws we need to prosecute and catch straw buyers......

The problem isn't loopholes....the problem is that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians......the ones screaming the loudest about new gun laws on normal people.....are the ones releasing repeat, violent gun offenders back onto the streets over and over again....and not punishing straw buyers when they are caught....because those straw buyers are the mothers, grandmothers, sisters of the gang members who use the guns to commit murder....and they often buy those guns under the threat of physical violence.....

Straw Purchasing Guns: US Needs to Take It Seriously | [site:name] | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

--------

I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

You must be unaware of some of our private transaction laws here. Keep in mind we have 50, FIFTY states, its kinda ridiculous to have one country with so many laws. but anyways.

Preaching to the choir here on the second part. I'll back serious prison time to the death penalty for anyone who Strawman purchases a gun for someone who can't legally own one.

Yes....we have all the laws we need to put all the gun criminals in jail....

What you fail to understand, the democrats keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail, over and over again, and keep reducing the punishments for gun crimes wherever they have power....that is why democrat controlled neighborhoods have so much gun murder....

The rest of the country? Very little gun violence.

3 murderers who struck again after they were released from prison

View attachment 265153

Many more here: A List of Murderers Released to Murder Again!

Huntsville manslaughter suspect released 6 years early; fatal crash 2 months later

Convicted Salford murderer kills again in 'strikingly similar' attack to 17 years ago

Man Who Killed 10 People in 1984 ‘Palm Sunday Massacre’ Is Released From Prison

Nearly 100 killers, rapists and paedophiles released only to be jailed AGAIN | Daily Mail Online

Recently released convicted murderer arrested in Sumter County homicide

There are many more to post.

John Walsh put out a book back in the 1990s about killers released to kill again.........again and again, murderers released from prison to kill more innocent people...

 

[miketx]

Let's shut down some loopholes in different states for things like private sales and try to enforce existing laws on straw man purchases and gun "losses". If after a decade gun crime doesn't go down we'll revisit something but we probably are going to have legal guns in this country as long as we have small government and abortion rights.

There are no loopholes you twit......we already have all the laws we need to prosecute and catch straw buyers......

The problem isn't loopholes....the problem is that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians......the ones screaming the loudest about new gun laws on normal people.....are the ones releasing repeat, violent gun offenders back onto the streets over and over again....and not punishing straw buyers when they are caught....because those straw buyers are the mothers, grandmothers, sisters of the gang members who use the guns to commit murder....and they often buy those guns under the threat of physical violence.....

Straw Purchasing Guns: US Needs to Take It Seriously | [site:name] | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

--------

I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

You must be unaware of some of our private transaction laws here. Keep in mind we have 50, FIFTY states, its kinda ridiculous to have one country with so many laws. but anyways.

Preaching to the choir here on the second part. I'll back serious prison time to the death penalty for anyone who Strawman purchases a gun for someone who can't legally own one.

Yes....we have all the laws we need to put all the gun criminals in jail....

What you fail to understand, the democrats keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail, over and over again, and keep reducing the punishments for gun crimes wherever they have power....that is why democrat controlled neighborhoods have so much gun murder....

The rest of the country? Very little gun violence.

3 murderers who struck again after they were released from prison

View attachment 265153

Many more here: A List of Murderers Released to Murder Again!

Huntsville manslaughter suspect released 6 years early; fatal crash 2 months later

Convicted Salford murderer kills again in 'strikingly similar' attack to 17 years ago

Man Who Killed 10 People in 1984 ‘Palm Sunday Massacre’ Is Released From Prison

Nearly 100 killers, rapists and paedophiles released only to be jailed AGAIN | Daily Mail Online

Recently released convicted murderer arrested in Sumter County homicide

There are many more to post.

John Walsh put out a book back in the 1990s about killers released to kill again.........again and again, murderers released from prison to kill more innocent people...

I had to break it off with him when he called an AR-7 survival rifle a deadly killing machine.

 

[elongobardi]

Miketx is right. Just make mandatory sentences for possession of a gun and use of a gun in a crime.


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See....the problem with that is that you can't then punish normal gun owners. They don't commit crimes with their legal guns, so how would you punish them and take away their guns?


The reason the anti-gunners keep pushing pointless, useless gun laws is that it increases the fees, taxes, paperwork and legal jeopardy for law abiding gun owners....one slip up, one failure to jump through the right hoop, one failure to understand the byzantine gun laws.....and you crush the normal gun owner. You turn them into felons for crimes that have nothing to do with actual crime and violence.....they go to prison, rack up 10s of thousands of dollars, if not more, in legal fees, they become felons, which will cause them to lose their jobs, their homes, and crush their families.....and the crown jewel? The will no longer be able to own a gun.....ever.......

The actual approach to lowering gun crime would be to lock up violent gun criminals for a long, long time. This is how Japan got their criminals to stop carrying guns and using them on each other. But then, why don't democrat judges and prosecutors do this? Why do these democrat judges and prosecutors, and politicians, the ones crying out all the time for more gun control.....keep letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail....over and over and over again? Look at shooters in democrat controlled cities....the ones killing people with guns have been in custody for illegal gun possession over and over....and keep being released...

Why? If lowering gun crime is the goal?

I am a gun guy. I am very much Pro 2nd Amendment.


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[elongobardi]

Miketx is right. Just make mandatory sentences for possession of a gun and use of a gun in a crime.


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See....the problem with that is that you can't then punish normal gun owners. They don't commit crimes with their legal guns, so how would you punish them and take away their guns?


The reason the anti-gunners keep pushing pointless, useless gun laws is that it increases the fees, taxes, paperwork and legal jeopardy for law abiding gun owners....one slip up, one failure to jump through the right hoop, one failure to understand the byzantine gun laws.....and you crush the normal gun owner. You turn them into felons for crimes that have nothing to do with actual crime and violence.....they go to prison, rack up 10s of thousands of dollars, if not more, in legal fees, they become felons, which will cause them to lose their jobs, their homes, and crush their families.....and the crown jewel? The will no longer be able to own a gun.....ever.......

The actual approach to lowering gun crime would be to lock up violent gun criminals for a long, long time. This is how Japan got their criminals to stop carrying guns and using them on each other. But then, why don't democrat judges and prosecutors do this? Why do these democrat judges and prosecutors, and politicians, the ones crying out all the time for more gun control.....keep letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail....over and over and over again? Look at shooters in democrat controlled cities....the ones killing people with guns have been in custody for illegal gun possession over and over....and keep being released...

Why? If lowering gun crime is the goal?

They need stiffer mandatory sentences on the criminals who use guns. I am a retired Leo and every time we put one a away they would get a slap on the wrist and out on the street before you know it.


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[miketx]

Miketx is right. Just make mandatory sentences for possession of a gun and use of a gun in a crime.


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See....the problem with that is that you can't then punish normal gun owners. They don't commit crimes with their legal guns, so how would you punish them and take away their guns?


The reason the anti-gunners keep pushing pointless, useless gun laws is that it increases the fees, taxes, paperwork and legal jeopardy for law abiding gun owners....one slip up, one failure to jump through the right hoop, one failure to understand the byzantine gun laws.....and you crush the normal gun owner. You turn them into felons for crimes that have nothing to do with actual crime and violence.....they go to prison, rack up 10s of thousands of dollars, if not more, in legal fees, they become felons, which will cause them to lose their jobs, their homes, and crush their families.....and the crown jewel? The will no longer be able to own a gun.....ever.......

The actual approach to lowering gun crime would be to lock up violent gun criminals for a long, long time. This is how Japan got their criminals to stop carrying guns and using them on each other. But then, why don't democrat judges and prosecutors do this? Why do these democrat judges and prosecutors, and politicians, the ones crying out all the time for more gun control.....keep letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail....over and over and over again? Look at shooters in democrat controlled cities....the ones killing people with guns have been in custody for illegal gun possession over and over....and keep being released...

Why? If lowering gun crime is the goal?

I think he meant felons in possession.