IDF Artillery Fire Like Russian Roulette

[georgephillip]

The next time Israel lies about the pinpoint accuracy of its artillery, remember what this former IDF member has to say about that:

"As someone who served as a combat soldier in the IDF I feel obligated to explain what is behind the numbers we hear about regarding the military operation in Gaza.

"A standard high-explosive shell weighs about 40 kg and is nothing but a large fragmentation grenade, which, at the time of explosion, is meant to kill everyone within a 50-meter radius and injure people located in an additional radius of 100 meters.

"It is impossible to aim the shells in an accurate manner and they are not meant to hit specific targets.

"Different factors such as the humidity of the air, the amount of heat in the barrel and the direction of the wind may determine whether the shell falls 30 or even 100 meters from the spot at which it was aimed.

"For that reason, a multi-barrel artillery battery fires a barrage of shells in a certain direction knowing that statistics will work their course, and that due to the scatter and the amount of damage caused by many shells, the target will indeed be hit."

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

 

[westwall]

The person reporting this is simply full of shit. The American 8" is exceptionally accurate and can drop a 200 pound shell into a trash can from 12 miles away. The Israeli guns are not quite that accurate but they can still drop a shell on whichever building they wish to hit.

 

[irosie91]

The next time Israel lies about the pinpoint accuracy of its artillery, remember what this former IDF member has to say about that:

"As someone who served as a combat soldier in the IDF I feel obligated to explain what is behind the numbers we hear about regarding the military operation in Gaza.

"A standard high-explosive shell weighs about 40 kg and is nothing but a large fragmentation grenade, which, at the time of explosion, is meant to kill everyone within a 50-meter radius and injure people located in an additional radius of 100 meters.

"It is impossible to aim the shells in an accurate manner and they are not meant to hit specific targets.

"Different factors such as the humidity of the air, the amount of heat in the barrel and the direction of the wind may determine whether the shell falls 30 or even 100 meters from the spot at which it was aimed.

"For that reason, a multi-barrel artillery battery fires a barrage of shells in a certain direction knowing that statistics will work their course, and that due to the scatter and the amount of damage caused by many shells, the target will indeed be hit."

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

what is your point? did someone claim that there is pin point accuracy in war?-----that person
way lying

 

[Bleipriester]

The person reporting this is simply full of shit. The American 8" is exceptionally accurate and can drop a 200 pound shell into a trash can from 12 miles away. The Israeli guns are not quite that accurate but they can still drop a shell on whichever building they wish to hit.

It´s nonsense. Artillery is never very accurate. Except for this GPS-guided shell.
M982 Excalibur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[westwall]

The person reporting this is simply full of shit. The American 8" is exceptionally accurate and can drop a 200 pound shell into a trash can from 12 miles away. The Israeli guns are not quite that accurate but they can still drop a shell on whichever building they wish to hit.

It´s nonsense. Artillery is never very accurate. Except for this GPS-guided shell.
M982 Excalibur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Untrue. Naval artillery is accurate enough to hit a MOVING target at a range of 20 miles (back in WWII) from a LIKEWISE moving platform. Land based artillery doesn't have to worry itself about it's moving. Wrap your tiny little head around that fact.

 

[Bleipriester]

The person reporting this is simply full of shit. The American 8" is exceptionally accurate and can drop a 200 pound shell into a trash can from 12 miles away. The Israeli guns are not quite that accurate but they can still drop a shell on whichever building they wish to hit.

It´s nonsense. Artillery is never very accurate. Except for this GPS-guided shell.
M982 Excalibur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Untrue. Naval artillery is accurate enough to hit a MOVING target at a range of 20 miles (back in WWII) from a LIKEWISE moving platform. Land based artillery doesn't have to worry itself about it's moving. Wrap your tiny little head around that fact.

The naval artillery has to zero in on its targets and most shots miss. And land based artillery fires at coordinates, not targets.

 

[georgephillip]

The person reporting this is simply full of shit. The American 8" is exceptionally accurate and can drop a 200 pound shell into a trash can from 12 miles away. The Israeli guns are not quite that accurate but they can still drop a shell on whichever building they wish to hit.

"Idan Barir served in the artillery corps during the Second Intifada. Today he is a Ph.D candidate in history, and an activist with Breaking the Silence."

Related:
Gaza ground invasion: Shedding the pretense of ‘precision’
Scenes of devastation from deadliest day in Gaza
What Israel’s precision bombing of Gaza looks like"

What makes your "expertise" more credible than the author of this report?

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

 

[georgephillip]

The next time Israel lies about the pinpoint accuracy of its artillery, remember what this former IDF member has to say about that:

"As someone who served as a combat soldier in the IDF I feel obligated to explain what is behind the numbers we hear about regarding the military operation in Gaza.

"A standard high-explosive shell weighs about 40 kg and is nothing but a large fragmentation grenade, which, at the time of explosion, is meant to kill everyone within a 50-meter radius and injure people located in an additional radius of 100 meters.

"It is impossible to aim the shells in an accurate manner and they are not meant to hit specific targets.

"Different factors such as the humidity of the air, the amount of heat in the barrel and the direction of the wind may determine whether the shell falls 30 or even 100 meters from the spot at which it was aimed.

"For that reason, a multi-barrel artillery battery fires a barrage of shells in a certain direction knowing that statistics will work their course, and that due to the scatter and the amount of damage caused by many shells, the target will indeed be hit."

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

what is your point? did someone claim that there is pin point accuracy in war?-----that person
way lying

"During my military service in the Israeli army I served in the artillery corps, and thus learned a thing or two about using shells.

"From the testimonies I have read and heard from the school and the marketplace bombardment, I am not sure if these were mortar or artillery shells that struck, but what’s clear from the photos and reports published by the IDF is that there was massive use of artillery fire.

"Artillery fire is statistical fire.

"It is the absolute opposite of precise sniper fire.

"The power of the sniper lies in the accuracy that his weapon provides him, while the power of the artillery shells being used in Gaza is based on both the extent and possibility of causing damage (impact)."

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

 

[westwall]

It´s nonsense. Artillery is never very accurate. Except for this GPS-guided shell.
M982 Excalibur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Untrue. Naval artillery is accurate enough to hit a MOVING target at a range of 20 miles (back in WWII) from a LIKEWISE moving platform. Land based artillery doesn't have to worry itself about it's moving. Wrap your tiny little head around that fact.

The naval artillery has to zero in on its targets and most shots miss. And land based artillery fires at coordinates, not targets.

And land based artillery isn't moving and is more dependent on the skill of the FO than the tube itself. Land based artillery does indeed fire at targets. The SADF famously used their G-5 artillery system (155mm) to destroy a moving tank at a range of 27 km with a single round during the fighting in Angola.....long, long before guided munitions. They juts happened to have a real good FO.

 

[MHunterB]

The person reporting this is simply full of shit. The American 8" is exceptionally accurate and can drop a 200 pound shell into a trash can from 12 miles away. The Israeli guns are not quite that accurate but they can still drop a shell on whichever building they wish to hit.

"Idan Barir served in the artillery corps during the Second Intifada. Today he is a Ph.D candidate in history, and an activist with Breaking the Silence."

Related:
Gaza ground invasion: Shedding the pretense of ‘precision’
Scenes of devastation from deadliest day in Gaza
What Israel’s precision bombing of Gaza looks like"

What makes your "expertise" more credible than the author of this report?

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

Barir's service was nearly ten years ago - in many fields, that's an eternity. And IMO being an 'activist' doesn't enhance anyone's credibility.

People whose views George shares, he calls 'activists' and admires - people whose views run counter to George's, he calls 'shills' and 'hasbara' and claims they're getting paid to post.

 

[westwall]

The person reporting this is simply full of shit. The American 8" is exceptionally accurate and can drop a 200 pound shell into a trash can from 12 miles away. The Israeli guns are not quite that accurate but they can still drop a shell on whichever building they wish to hit.

"Idan Barir served in the artillery corps during the Second Intifada. Today he is a Ph.D candidate in history, and an activist with Breaking the Silence."

Related:
Gaza ground invasion: Shedding the pretense of ‘precision’
Scenes of devastation from deadliest day in Gaza
What Israel’s precision bombing of Gaza looks like"

What makes your "expertise" more credible than the author of this report?

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

He is politically motivated. I'm not. I just study the artillery itself. I know what it is capable of, and what it is not. It's not rocket science. It's history. The capability of artillery is VERY well known. He made a statement that didn't include a mention of CEP. That renders hos comment useless.

 

[Bleipriester]

Untrue. Naval artillery is accurate enough to hit a MOVING target at a range of 20 miles (back in WWII) from a LIKEWISE moving platform. Land based artillery doesn't have to worry itself about it's moving. Wrap your tiny little head around that fact.

The naval artillery has to zero in on its targets and most shots miss. And land based artillery fires at coordinates, not targets.

And land based artillery isn't moving and is more dependent on the skill of the FO than the tube itself. Land based artillery does indeed fire at targets. The SADF famously used their G-5 artillery system (155mm) to destroy a moving tank at a range of 27 km with a single round during the fighting in Angola.....long, long before guided munitions. They juts happened to have a real good FO.

You know that this is a lucky hit. Even if your artillery and staff are able to hit targets pinpoint, the tank could just change the direction or stop during the shell´s approach. One cannot reproduce such a hit even on a stationary target.

 

[irosie91]

The person reporting this is simply full of shit. The American 8" is exceptionally accurate and can drop a 200 pound shell into a trash can from 12 miles away. The Israeli guns are not quite that accurate but they can still drop a shell on whichever building they wish to hit.

"Idan Barir served in the artillery corps during the Second Intifada. Today he is a Ph.D candidate in history, and an activist with Breaking the Silence."

Related:
Gaza ground invasion: Shedding the pretense of ‘precision’
Scenes of devastation from deadliest day in Gaza
What Israel’s precision bombing of Gaza looks like"

What makes your "expertise" more credible than the author of this report?

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

so? LOL a Ph.D in LOL history and a man with a political AGENDA----I am so
IMPRESSED (not) in my university-----people who dropped out of pre-med---
ended up in HISTORY or SOCIOLOGY

 

[georgephillip]

The person reporting this is simply full of shit. The American 8" is exceptionally accurate and can drop a 200 pound shell into a trash can from 12 miles away. The Israeli guns are not quite that accurate but they can still drop a shell on whichever building they wish to hit.

"Idan Barir served in the artillery corps during the Second Intifada. Today he is a Ph.D candidate in history, and an activist with Breaking the Silence."

Related:
Gaza ground invasion: Shedding the pretense of ‘precision’
Scenes of devastation from deadliest day in Gaza
What Israel’s precision bombing of Gaza looks like"

What makes your "expertise" more credible than the author of this report?

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

Barir's service was nearly ten years ago - in many fields, that's an eternity. And IMO being an 'activist' doesn't enhance anyone's credibility.

People whose views George shares, he calls 'activists' and admires - people whose views run counter to George's, he calls 'shills' and 'hasbara' and claims they're getting paid to post.

People who defend baby killers, like Marg, deserve to share the experience of the Ghaben family:

"At the time, firing guidelines were changed so that the safety distance from Palestinian houses was reduced from 300 meters to 100 meters.

"Shortly thereafter, a shell hit the house of the Ghaben family in Beit Lahiya, killing 9-year-old Hadil and injuring 12 of her family members.

"Following the incident and several others related to artillery fire, human rights organizations appealed to the Israeli High Court to stop this lethal practice.

"In response, Israel stated that artillery fire would no longer be used in the Gaza Strip.

"Only three years later, in Operation Cast Lead, artillery fire was used once again, even more extensively than before.

"Nowadays, since the launch of Operation Protective Edge, the IDF has already shot thousands of artillery shells at different parts of the Gaza Strip. The shells have caused unbearable damage to human life and tremendous destruction to infrastructure, the full scale of which will only be revealed when the fighting is over."

Celebrate, Marg, your side's WINNING.

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

 

[irosie91]

"Idan Barir served in the artillery corps during the Second Intifada. Today he is a Ph.D candidate in history, and an activist with Breaking the Silence."

Related:
Gaza ground invasion: Shedding the pretense of ‘precision’
Scenes of devastation from deadliest day in Gaza
What Israel’s precision bombing of Gaza looks like"

What makes your "expertise" more credible than the author of this report?

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

Barir's service was nearly ten years ago - in many fields, that's an eternity. And IMO being an 'activist' doesn't enhance anyone's credibility.

People whose views George shares, he calls 'activists' and admires - people whose views run counter to George's, he calls 'shills' and 'hasbara' and claims they're getting paid to post.

People who defend baby killers, like Marg, deserve to share the experience of the Ghaben family:

"At the time, firing guidelines were changed so that the safety distance from Palestinian houses was reduced from 300 meters to 100 meters.

"Shortly thereafter, a shell hit the house of the Ghaben family in Beit Lahiya, killing 9-year-old Hadil and injuring 12 of her family members.

"Following the incident and several others related to artillery fire, human rights organizations appealed to the Israeli High Court to stop this lethal practice.

"In response, Israel stated that artillery fire would no longer be used in the Gaza Strip.

"Only three years later, in Operation Cast Lead, artillery fire was used once again, even more extensively than before.

"Nowadays, since the launch of Operation Protective Edge, the IDF has already shot thousands of artillery shells at different parts of the Gaza Strip. The shells have caused unbearable damage to human life and tremendous destruction to infrastructure, the full scale of which will only be revealed when the fighting is over."

Celebrate, Marg, your side's WINNING.

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

people who trivialize Kassam nail bombs deserve to see their children lying dead
in the gutter------tens of thousands of children ended up dead in the gutter due to nail
bombs -----which are VERY EFFECTIVE in killing ----SPECIFICALLY CHILDREN----in fact
doing so is just about their only function

The sluts and pigs have mrurdered ALL OVER THE GLOBE with the bombs that their
joyous supporters claim are nothing more than fire crackers------even the sociopathic
pig JIMMY CARTER commented on them as ineffectural. He deserves to see his grandkids---
dead on a slab. As to children dying in war and the CLAIM that somehow even if their mothers
throw them under the bombs----the BOMBS should be so controlled that they will not harm
children---------yeah right. Of course there are some bombs that can be aimed so carefully
when the TARGET IS IDENTIFIED and nothing else is around that they are very very
accurate-----ESPECIALLY when the target is the BROADSIDE OF A SHIP at sea. ----but
there is no way to avoid killing people who stand around as human shields in arena of
war or are lying around in a MILITARY FORTRESS (that was once used as a hospital) Cops doing drug busts manage to kill bystanders -------kids in our military manage
to kill each other in "wargames"

 

[georgephillip]

"Netanyahu is the longest serving prime minister since David Ben-Gurion. Some people accuse him of lacking a strategy, but that is a shallow assessment. Netanyahu has been carrying out his strategy for years now. The failure of the peace talks and the war in Gaza are part of the same game, which is about maintaining the current status quo and doing so by force, if necessary.

"Netanyahu’s approach is consistent. The conflict is for him a zero-sum game, and therefore one need not move beyond 'a modified status quo.'

"One should use the regional and international system to search for ad-hoc coalitions, rather than rely on long-term relationships and agreements.

"One should try to avoid using military force, yet still prefer it to concessions; when decision time comes, the choice is clear.

"One should also continue to colonize land, but at a pace that takes geopolitical circumstances into account."

This is Netanyahu?s final status solution | +972 Magazine

 

[toastman]

"Idan Barir served in the artillery corps during the Second Intifada. Today he is a Ph.D candidate in history, and an activist with Breaking the Silence."

Related:
Gaza ground invasion: Shedding the pretense of ‘precision’
Scenes of devastation from deadliest day in Gaza
What Israel’s precision bombing of Gaza looks like"

What makes your "expertise" more credible than the author of this report?

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

Barir's service was nearly ten years ago - in many fields, that's an eternity. And IMO being an 'activist' doesn't enhance anyone's credibility.

People whose views George shares, he calls 'activists' and admires - people whose views run counter to George's, he calls 'shills' and 'hasbara' and claims they're getting paid to post.

People who defend baby killers, like Marg, deserve to share the experience of the Ghaben family:

"At the time, firing guidelines were changed so that the safety distance from Palestinian houses was reduced from 300 meters to 100 meters.

"Shortly thereafter, a shell hit the house of the Ghaben family in Beit Lahiya, killing 9-year-old Hadil and injuring 12 of her family members.

"Following the incident and several others related to artillery fire, human rights organizations appealed to the Israeli High Court to stop this lethal practice.

"In response, Israel stated that artillery fire would no longer be used in the Gaza Strip.

"Only three years later, in Operation Cast Lead, artillery fire was used once again, even more extensively than before.

"Nowadays, since the launch of Operation Protective Edge, the IDF has already shot thousands of artillery shells at different parts of the Gaza Strip. The shells have caused unbearable damage to human life and tremendous destruction to infrastructure, the full scale of which will only be revealed when the fighting is over."

Celebrate, Marg, your side's WINNING.

IDF soldier: Artillery fire in Gaza is like Russian roulette | +972 Magazine

You know George is pinned to a wall when he uses the 'baby killer' tactic.

Marg is right George, whenever you disagree with someone, you call them names. But you think you are always right. Instead, you are a biased shill who spews propaganda all day long.

 

[Jroc]

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[MHunterB]

"People who defend baby killers, like Marg, deserve to share the experience of the Ghaben family"

And just who does Coward George think he is, to determine who 'deserves' what? It's so deliciously ironic to see an atheist so pathetically aching to play GOD......

Incidentally, I'd like Coward George to show those posts where he fantasizes that I've 'defended baby killers'....... All I did was point out that one person's "activist" is another's "paid shill".

 

[toastman]

This is the Middle East forum. Israel is a dot on a map of the ME, yet George NEVER mentions any of the victims of ISIS massacres, who are literally executed in the streets, as opposed to Palestinians who are killed during a war as a result of collateral damage.
Not to mention the way he uses the word 'Jew' instead if Israeli.