Immanuel
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One would expect that? THEY had a Victory on US SOIL. Why do you think the fervant PUSH to build so close to where they murdered so many?
It's a statement by them...as they have done throughout their history.
A victory on US Soil is not in the same league as conquering the U.S.
We have had victories in Iraq and Afghanistan but we have not taken over the land. One might say that Muslims won a victory on 9/11, but in reality all that happened was that America suffered a terrorist attack. If a victory is won by simply killing people then you can say they won a victory. My definition of a victory in war is winning the battle and pushing your enemy out of the territory which was fought for. I do not believe the 9/11 terrorists accomplished that task.
Nor have I seen any proof that those who are associated with the so-called Ground Zero Mosque were in anyway associated with the murderers of 9/11.
You say that this is a statement by them. Maybe that would be the case if they were actually planning on building on the grounds of the World Trade Center. How far away is far enough? 10 blocks? 20 blocks? All of Manhattan? How about all of New York State?
Immie
Immie? It doesn't matter. They brought down the very SYMBOL of Western Capitalist Culture. The Twin Towers.
They at the time almost caused an economic collapse.
To them it was good enough.
WHY was the initial project name of this mosque called 'Cordoba Project'?"
WHY was it changed later?
I went to bed before this was posted or at least before I read it. I hope to get a response from you later now that I have read this.
Who is "they"? By they do you mean that the people that want to build the mosque near ground zero are/were in league with OBL? If so, I will need proof of that. As far as I know they, the people that want to build this community center are American citizens who want nothing more than a place to worship in Lower Manhattan.
As for this particular project, I do not see it as you. I see it as an attempt by some Muslim people to build a community center in New York City. I can't fault them for that.
The fact that this center is being built so close to "ground zero" has been made an issue here. I have to say that I think that if they wanted to build it (please realize I am not familiar with Manhattan as I have never been there and am not taking the time to look at the map as I type this out) on the northern most point of Manhattan Island as far away from GZ as possible yet still on Manhattan, the right wing pundits who are making such a big deal about this would still be making a big deal about it. The issue for them is not where it is, but who it is.
A mosque on GZ would be offensive to me. Two blocks away? As long as they remain respectful of the people that lost their lives on 9/11, I see no problem with them being two blocks away.
Cordoba has no particular meaning to me in this regards so I can't answer your question. Cordoba is a city in Spain that was once ruled by Muslims. Maybe Cordoba has a meaning to Muslims, but if so, I do not know what that meaning would be. I don't know why they called it the "Cordoba Project" nor do I know why they changed the name of the project.
Maybe I can look that up later when I have some time. If you have any links as to your information and what it means I would be interested.
In the meantime, my feelings are this. This is America. We say that we believe in the right of every individual to worship (or not worship) in his own way. If we believe that, then we have to be willing to allow those with whom we do not agree to worship in the way they want as long as it does not break other laws (i.e. human sacrifice) when and wherever they can do so legally. As far as I can tell, the people wanting to build this project are not breaking any laws, so as long as they remain respectful of those who lost their lives on 9/11, I will respect their rights.
Immie
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