If Donald Trump becomes President, how will it affect our economy?

[Onyx]

Trump is NOT an elitist.
I have been following him in the news for over 20 years and he has been pro-US for that entire period.

You see what you want to see.

Apparently you were never exposed to his history of being one of the biggest douchebags and crooks in modern America, a position I maintained before he put his name in for president.

He's has been completely consistent.

He contradicts himself ALL the time. Even before the election.

I see that you are trying to bail out from defending ruling class protectionist policies. Noted.

 

[Indeependent]

Trump is NOT an elitist.
I have been following him in the news for over 20 years and he has been pro-US for that entire period.

You see what you want to see.

Apparently you were never exposed to his history of being one of the bigges douchebags and crooks in modern America, a position I maintained before he put his name in for president.

He's has been completely consistent.

Uh? He contradicts himself ALL the time. Even before the election.

I see that you are trying to bail out from defending ruling class protectionist policies. Noted.

If Trump's a douchebag, then everybody else, including Milton, must be 1,000 times the douchebag Trump is.

 

[Indeependent]

Trump is NOT an elitist.
I have been following him in the news for over 20 years and he has been pro-US for that entire period.

You see what you want to see.

Apparently you were never exposed to his history of being one of the biggest douchebags and crooks in modern America, a position I maintained before he put his name in for president.

He's has been completely consistent.

He contradicts himself ALL the time. Even before the election.

I see that you are trying to bail out from defending ruling class protectionist policies. Noted.

BTW, that post was VERY emotional.

 

[Onyx]

If Trump's a douchebag, then everybody else, including Milton, must be 1,000 times the douchebag Trump is.

Stop deflecting. We'll start slow...

1. How is protectionism good for the long term self sufficiency of markets?

2. How do protectionist policies influence consumer choice and purchasing power?

3. How come historically, protectionism has led to depressions, sustained periods of limited growth, and increases in unemployment?

 

[Onyx]

BTW, that post was VERY emotional.

Very ironic.

I am just espousing the facts. Something you should start doing.

 

[Indeependent]

If Trump's a douchebag, then everybody else, including Milton, must be 1,000 times the douchebag Trump is.

Stop deflecting. We'll start slow...

1. How is protectionism good for the long term self sufficiency of the markets?

2. How do protectionist policies influence consumer choice and purchasing power?

3. How come historically heightened protectionism has led to depressions, sustained periods of limited growth, and increases in unemployment?

You know how we know that protectionism works?
Because NO protectionism FAILS!

Number 3 is a COMPLETE fail as since Reagan we have had several cycles of Bubble, Crash, Niche Employment, Off-Shoring and an increase in Business Visas.
GW's Housing Bubble created THE POINT OF NO RETURN.

I suggest you read the 2 Bills, House Bill HR633 and Senate Bill S744.
Those elites who control Congress are anxious for these Bills to pass as they will destroy 10 Categories of Professions for non-Business Visas.

 

[Indeependent]

BTW, that post was VERY emotional.

Very ironic.

I am just espousing the facts. Something you should start doing.

Your are espousing articles from Right Wing publications.
Articles I've been reading since 2004 promising the US, void of protectionism, would become a haven of employment.
The OPPOSITE has occurred.

 

[Onyx]

Your are espousing articles from Right Wing publications.

Lol. I am espousing recognized economics theory that predates the United States of America.

Remember? Keynesians support free trade. How many times must I repeat the term universal?

Articles I've been reading since 2004 promising the US, void of protectionism, would become a haven of employment.
The OPPOSITE has occurred.

So the rejection of protectionist policies and the rise in employment have no correlation?

You are not very good with sticking to the facts. You just believe what you want to believe, because you obviously have no understanding of the theory that you are defending

Now I asked you three very simple and fair questions. Please answer them.

 

[Indeependent]

Your are espousing articles from Right Wing publications.

Lol. I am espousing recognized economics theory that predates the United States of America.

Remember? Keynesians support free trade. How many times must I repeat the term universal?

Articles I've been reading since 2004 promising the US, void of protectionism, would become a haven of employment.
The OPPOSITE has occurred.

So the rejection of protectionist policies and the rise in employment have no correlation?

You are not very good with sticking to the facts. You just believe what you want to believe, because you obviously have no understanding of the theory that you are defending

Now I asked you three very simple and fair questions. Please answer them.

You are SERIOUSLY stating on a public forum that a record number of Americans forced into FOOD SERVICE is good?
If so, fuck you and go to hell.
Now please tell me I misinterpreted your post.
Because if I interpreted it correctly, fuck you and go to hell.

 

[Onyx]

You are SERIOUSLY stating on a public forum that a record number of Americans forced into FOOD SERVICE is good?
If so, fuck you and go to hell.

Dirty debating. Stop with the deflection.

Protectionism costs jobs. It is the real reason Americans were pushed into food service. No level of emotional appeal will change the hard truth.

Now please tell me I misinterpreted your post.

Yes, you intentionally misconstrued my post to save your hide from accountability.

Because if I interpreted it correctly, fuck you and go to hell.

Stop acting like a child and answer the questions.

1. How is protectionism good for the long term self sufficiency of markets?

2. How do protectionist policies influence consumer choice and purchasing power?

3. How come historically, protectionism has led to depressions, sustained periods of limited growth, and increases in unemployment?

 

[Onyx]

Indeependent Let Walter Block preach the truth

If companies were operating up to competitive standards, they would not need protection from the government. If the government is the reason for why companies cannot reach competitive standards, then the answer is to limit the level of socialism and not implement more damage in the form of tariffs. Not only is it enabling behavior, but it costs consumers and the working class greatly.

Time to face reality and stop sucking ruling class dick. System whoring is totally uncool.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You know that "our" economy isn't the global economy, right?

Duh. You really are dumb.

 

[Indeependent]

You are SERIOUSLY stating on a public forum that a record number of Americans forced into FOOD SERVICE is good?
If so, fuck you and go to hell.

Dirty debating. Stop with the deflection.

Unemployment is under 5%. That is generally recognized safe territory, and part of why we got there came from shifting back towards free trade.

Protectionism costs jobs. It is the real reason Americans were pushed into food service. . No level of emotional appeal will change the hard truth.

Now please tell me I misinterpreted your post.

Yes, you intentionally misconstrued my post to save your hide from accountability.

Because if I interpreted it correctly, fuck you and go to hell.

Stop acting like a child and answer the questions.

1. How is protectionism good for the long term self sufficiency of markets?

2. How do protectionist policies influence consumer choice and purchasing power?

3. How come historically, protectionism has led to depressions, sustained periods of limited growth, and increases in unemployment?

You must listen to Rush Limbaugh because you're introducing the "famous' "GDP is UP!" argument.
You see, GDP IS up...and enjoyed by 1.x% of the population.
That means either you're one of the 1.x% or you're stupid enough to fall for ROLLED UP numbers.
I am not.

You probably believe that if 100 homeless people are put in a room with Bill Gates that the average Stock Worth between them is 80 billion / 101; It seems to me you would be that stupid.

Protectionism should NEVER Evergreen; it is constantly adjusted based on supply / demand / national fiscal health.
NO Legislation should ever be Evergreen.
There, are, in fact, times when zero protectionism is required, UNTIL one or more of the players violates the Agreement.

 

[Onyx]

You must listen to Rush Limbaugh because you're introducing the "famous' "GDP is UP!" argument.
You see, GDP IS up...and enjoyed by 1.x% of the population.
That means either you're one of the 1.x% or you're stupid enough to fall for ROLLED UP numbers.
I am not.

I did not make that argument.

Stop using strawman. You have done nothing besides act intellectually dishonest.

You probably believe that if 100 homeless people is put in a room with Bill Gates that the average Stock Worth between them is 80 billion / 101; It seems to me you would be that stupid.

More deflection.

Protectionism should NEVER Evergreen; it is constantly adjusted based on supply / demand / national fiscal health.
NO Legislation should ever be Evergreen.

Protectionism never works. The economic theory behind it is fallacious and broken. Historically the American school of economics has failed the common man and served the interests of crooks with special interests.

There, are, in fact, times when zero protectionism is required, UNTIL one or more of the players violates the Agreement.

Answer these questions.

1. How is protectionism good for the long term self sufficiency of markets?

2. How do protectionist policies influence consumer choice and purchasing power?

3. How come historically, protectionism has led to depressions, sustained periods of limited growth, and increases in unemployment?

 

[Slyhunter]

imports should be more expensive than domestic products.
If we can't make our stuff cheaper at home without paying slave wages the only alternative is to implement tariffs.

 

[Onyx]

If we can't make our stuff cheaper at home without paying slave wages the only alternative is to implement tariffs.

Two fallacious false premises.

1. There is more than one alternative. Reining in the governments choke hold on industry for example.

2. Tariffs do not fix the problem. They greatly compound the problem in order to enable greed and irresponsibility.

 

[Indeependent]

You must listen to Rush Limbaugh because you're introducing the "famous' "GDP is UP!" argument.
You see, GDP IS up...and enjoyed by 1.x% of the population.
That means either you're one of the 1.x% or you're stupid enough to fall for ROLLED UP numbers.
I am not.

I did not make that argument.

Stop using strawman. You have done nothing besides act intellectually dishonest.

You probably believe that if 100 homeless people is put in a room with Bill Gates that the average Stock Worth between them is 80 billion / 101; It seems to me you would be that stupid.

More deflection.

Protectionism should NEVER Evergreen; it is constantly adjusted based on supply / demand / national fiscal health.
NO Legislation should ever be Evergreen.

Protectionism never works. The economic theory behind it is fallacious and broken. Historically the American school of economics has failed the common man and served the interests of crooks with special interests.

There, are, in fact, times when zero protectionism is required, UNTIL one or more of the players violates the Agreement.

Answer these questions.

1. How is protectionism good for the long term self sufficiency of markets?

2. How do protectionist policies influence consumer choice and purchasing power?

3. How come historically, protectionism has led to depressions, sustained periods of limited growth, and increases in unemployment?

You are a dumb piece of shit.
Do YOU have economic policies in YOUR life that you never change?
Seriously, protectionism is meant to maintain a balance of Comparative Advantage between 2 partners.
If that protection is not needed, it is removed.
If it IS needed, it is utilized measure for measure until the balance is retained.
It is not MY problem that your ideological emotions cannot deal with this reality.

 

[Onyx]

You are a dumb piece of shit.

You are acting like a child.

Do YOU have economic policies in YOUR life that you never change?

Believe it or not, there is a correct economic system that is best for long term self sufficiency and growth.

Seriously, protectionism is meant to maintain a balance of Comparative Advantage between 2 partners.

Biggest fallacy you can commit.

Believing that protectionism is the same thing as fair trade shows that you understand very little about either concepts.

If that protection is not needed, it is removed.

Protection is never needed.

It enables those elites you so despise to act lazy and abusive at home.

If it IS needed, it is utilized measure for measure until the balance is retained.

By the way, another fallacy.

The belief that a balanced trade deficit is needed is purely conjecture and wholly false. You can have a disproportionate trade deficit and still have mutual profitability on both sides.

Equal trade is a fallacy and anyone that maintains it exists shows zero understanding of both macroeconomics and microeconomics.

It is not MY problem that your ideological emotions cannot deal with this reality.

The reality is in these questions.

1. How is protectionism good for the long term self sufficiency of markets?

2. How do protectionist policies influence consumer choice and purchasing power?

3. How come historically, protectionism has led to depressions, sustained periods of limited growth, and increases in unemployment?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why Donald Trump is bad for the global economy
I read an article written by an Anti-Trump person and while there are some bias, he had some good points. I think if you take into account just the global economy, Hillary would do a much better job?
Discuss

Edit: would he be bad just for the American economy or the global economy as well?

Who knows? Trump is an unknown, he flips and flops more than a salmon hooked and on the deck. It's obvious Trump is a narcissist, so there is no way one can anticipate how he will react under the stress if he were to be elected POTUS.

 

[Indeependent]

You are a dumb piece of shit.

You are acting like a child.

Do YOU have economic policies in YOUR life that you never change?

Believe it or not, there is a correct economic system that is best for long term self sufficiency and growth.

Seriously, protectionism is meant to maintain a balance of Comparative Advantage between 2 partners.

Biggest fallacy you can commit.

Believing that protectionism is the same thing as fair trade shows that you understand very little about either concepts.

If that protection is not needed, it is removed.

Protection is never needed.

It enables those elites you so despise to act lazy and abusive at home.

If it IS needed, it is utilized measure for measure until the balance is retained.

By the way, another fallacy.

The belief that a balanced trade deficit is needed is purely conjecture and wholly false. You can have a disproportionate trade deficit and still have mutual profitability on both sides.

Equal trade is a fallacy and anyone that maintains it exists shows zero understanding of both macroeconomics and microeconomics.

It is not MY problem that your ideological emotions cannot deal with this reality.

The reality is in these questions.

1. How is protectionism good for the long term self sufficiency of markets?

2. How do protectionist policies influence consumer choice and purchasing power?

3. How come historically, protectionism has led to depressions, sustained periods of limited growth, and increases in unemployment?

You SO misunderstood my post.
Protectionism and Fair Trade are NOT the same.
Protectionism is meant to steer the partner back to the terms of the Fair Trade Agreement.
If there is a Trade Imbalance due to the partner producing a better product than the other partner better get their act together.
If the Imbalance is due to violating the conditions of the Agreement, such as slave labor/hours/benefits, then Protectionism will restore the terms of the Agreement.
There is no such thing as equal Trade, as I never meant to infer such.
However, the Trade the US carries out in reality, whether we have an Agreement or not, is disastrous for the overwhelming percentage of US citizens.