If you like your doctor you can keep your whining to yourself. The new American healthcare: Only the rich get doctors.

[dblack]

Also, we need to abolish health insurance outside of catastrophic care, so that the private health care sector can become a healthy market once again.

Indeed. I'm not sure we need to ban it, but we should certainly repeal all the tax and regulatory policies that prop it up. We shouldn't be relying on insurance for routine health care.

 

[Crepitus]

Democrats will kill the old if you give them power.

No, Son. That's the republican plan.

 

[White 6]

A lot of people put the blame on schools being unable to push out enough people. That's definitely a big part of the problem. But that really means that it's the educational system as a whole that is failing our country. We need more medical schools. We need more nursing schools. We need them to be accessible. And we need a greater emphasis on training people to do boots on the ground care positions, as opposed to elitist and corporatist research positions.

Also, we need to abolish health insurance outside of catastrophic care, so that the private health care sector can become a healthy market once again.

Affluent people will be able to retain a personal physician through exclusive “concierge medicine” services. But here’s what others can expect: routine visits with a rotating cast of nurses and physician assistants with increasingly spare and online checkups with doctors.

No one’s promising you can keep your doctor anymore

I have a person physician and a physician group. I am certainly not rich. I just made a conscious decision years ago. I can usually get in to see them on short notice, they have full admitting authority if I need it. It is really rare for me to go to a convenient care facility, and then only if I am losing blood, somebody needing to give me a stitch in time, or am injured in another state on some mountainside. I have not been to an ER since I retired from the military, back in the late 90s except for my last skiing accident. Everything goes through them. The get copies of all tests and review them. They recommend my specialists and surgeons. My healthcare is covered under Medicare and Tri-Care and it is rare for me or my wife to see a bill that comes out of my pocket.

If you do not have a primary care physician, you have learned to trust, that has all your records, even military treatment records in whatever country, going back 40 or 50 years, you should consider making a change.

 

[Moonglow]

Aging/dying Boomers soaking up resources.

It'll be a mess for a few years, but in 10, nearly half will be gone, and in 20, nearly all.

That's when affordable healthcare could at least theoretically happen, including socialized medicine.

I'll be around thirty more years, get used to it.

 

[MinTrut]

The older generation always require more health care than the younger.

Boomers are breaking the system.

When I was in my prime earning years it was the Greatest Generation that were the health care burden. Many of them being treated for cancer and heart problems stemming from smoking their entire adult lives.

Far fewer of them of course.

 

[Edgetho]

Laughably false.

We write off millions a year because the poor won’t pay our hospital system. And they see doctors, nurses, specialists, allied health providers, clergy we partner with, admins, technicians, etc...

'We' don't 'write-off' anything, moron. The Doctors and hospitals "Cost-Shift" the expenses onto those who can pay for it.

And the goobermint is the worst offender. A doctor or a hospital is lucky to get 50 cents on the dollar from the goobermint. The losses are cost-shifted onto those who have private insurance. So a procedure that would normally cost $1,000 is billed at $2,000 to your private carrier. And guess where they get their money? idiots

This is another thread with 3rd graders discussing Relativity. Very, very, tiresome.

babble on

 

[MinTrut]

What are you, twelve?

Sorry mister - I'm spoken for.

"Wait for them to die"

Is that what you're doing?

is not a solution to a failing healthcare system, it's a symptom of it.

Boomers broke it, and criminal capitalism is driving a stake into it.

But it's a fading problem, though it will take 20 years.

Things will look better in 10.

 

[dblack]

Boomers are breaking the system.

The system has been broken since we pushed everyone into employer provided, group health insurance. Boomers are just exposing the brokenness.

 

[MinTrut]

Its because we are the only 1st world nation without medical healthcare.

^ Thread win.

 

[Flash]

....and you're angry that your physician doesn't screen out the inferior races?

I am pissed that I live in a Socialist shithole where I am taxed to pay other people's bills.

 

[MinTrut]

No, Son. That's the republican plan.

Neither party gives a shit.

Criminal capitalism at its ugliest.

 

[Flash]

Boomers are breaking the system.

Far fewer of them of course.

Of course. The population of the US had doubled since the end of WWII. There are a lot more of everybody.

 

[MinTrut]

I have a person physician and a physician group. I am certainly not rich. I just made a conscious decision years ago. I can usually get in to see them on short notice, they have full admitting authority if I need it. It is really rare for me to go to a convenient care facility, and then only if I am losing blood, somebody needing to give me a stitch in time, or am injured in another state on some mountainside. I have not been to an ER since I retired from the military, back in the late 90s except for my last skiing accident. Everything goes through them. The get copies of all tests and review them. They recommend my specialists and surgeons. My healthcare is covered under Medicare and Tri-Care and it is rare for me or my wife to see a bill that comes out of my pocket.

If you do not have a primary care physician, you have learned to trust, that has all your records, even military treatment records in whatever country, going back 40 or 50 years, you should consider making a change.

I'm not sure you grasp how serious the problem is.

But good for you that you have all these resources at your beck and call.

 

[Edgetho]

I have a person physician and a physician group. I am certainly not rich. I just made a conscious decision years ago. I can usually get in to see them on short notice, they have full admitting authority if I need it. It is really rare for me to go to a convenient care facility, and then only if I am losing blood, somebody needing to give me a stitch in time, or am injured in another state on some mountainside. I have not been to an ER since I retired from the military, back in the late 90s except for my last skiing accident. Everything goes through them. The get copies of all tests and review them. They recommend my specialists and surgeons. My healthcare is covered under Medicare and Tri-Care and it is rare for me or my wife to see a bill that comes out of my pocket.

If you do not have a primary care physician, you have learned to trust, that has all your records, even military treatment records in whatever country, going back 40 or 50 years, you should consider making a change.

You can't get near an Emergency Room anymore. The Illegals have found out that the E-room MUST treat them and they don't have to pay the bill. Even if they could, they won't pay it.. Last time I went, there wasn't an English-speaking person in the place.

Blame goes where it belongs, IMO. Ronnie Ray-Gun signed it into law.

If you have need of an E-Room, call an ambulance. Going there on your own, you could bleed-out before you're seen

 

[MinTrut]

I'll be around thirty more years, get used to it.

If you're a Boomer, the statistical likelihood is very close to zero.

And certainly quality of life will be close to that as well if you're correct.

Civilized nations have both affordable healthcare AND right to die with dignity laws.

 

[MinTrut]

Of course. The population of the US had doubled since the end of WWII. There are a lot more of everybody.

Boomers are a tidal wave of trouble.

They didn't ask to be born of course, but they're hoarding everything.

Not a popular generation.

Except among themselves; they think they're the best.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

A lot of people put the blame on schools being unable to push out enough people. That's definitely a big part of the problem. But that really means that it's the educational system as a whole that is failing our country. We need more medical schools. We need more nursing schools. We need them to be accessible. And we need a greater emphasis on training people to do boots on the ground care positions, as opposed to elitist and corporatist research positions.

Also, we need to abolish health insurance outside of catastrophic care, so that the private health care sector can become a healthy market once again.

Affluent people will be able to retain a personal physician through exclusive “concierge medicine” services. But here’s what others can expect: routine visits with a rotating cast of nurses and physician assistants with increasingly spare and online checkups with doctors.

No one’s promising you can keep your doctor anymore

i've been a health insurance agent since reagan....obamacare was a complete fucking disaster

i hope aanyone who supports this has their most cherished loved one misfiagnosed and fucking dies with bammy care

you god damned 40 hrs slaves to a miserable job are so so god damned mother fucking stupid

 

[Moonglow]

If you're a Boomer, the statistical likelihood is very close to zero.

And certainly quality of life will be close to that as well if you're correct.

Civilized nations have both affordable healthcare AND right to die with dignity laws.

I'm 62 and the men in the family live into their nineties, sorry for your schadenfreude escapes from reality.

 

[Moonglow]

Boomers are a tidal wave of trouble.

They didn't ask to be born of course, but they're hoarding everything.

Not a popular generation.

Except among themselves; they think they're the best.

If we Boomers are hoarding everything why are you alive?

 

[dblack]

Also, we need to abolish health insurance outside of catastrophic care, so that the private health care sector can become a healthy market once again.

I think that last part really gets to the core of the problem. So many of us want to pretend that doctors and hospitals are, or should pretend to be, something other than businesses that need to turn a profit. We deify doctors and imagine that health care is a "good will" service that should (somehow) be free for all. That's just not reality, and denying reality never ends well.