I'm Leaving, on a Jet Plane....

[Robert W]

You should make the flying experience more enjoyable for yourselves by joining the Mile High Club.

She is already in the bed club.

 

[leftwinger]

When Democrats wake up, as I personally did, they will vote for Republican non stop. Once we former democrats reformed, we would never go back.

this one and her old man are not at “your level”. Trust me. There is no hope for these sorts to suddenly wise up? Impossible if you are not capable of obtaining wisdom.

 

[Robert W]

the decades I lived in Florida before moving up north, it was a Democratic leaning state for the most part...

my parents and sister have been there over 40 straight years, and first lived in the Fla panhandle for a period 60 years ago.

I expect it took some time to try to eliminate the racism of the Democrats.

 

[Robert W]

this one and her old man are not at “your level”. Trust me. There is no hope for these sorts to suddenly wise up? Impossible if you are not capable of obtaining wisdom.

It takes education and willing to learn to change from Democrat to Republican. All I can do is show them it can be done by millions of former Democrats who today vote republican only.

Our nations finest of all presidents reformed from being a Democrat and served two terms as a Republican. Democrats hate to lose one of their own but Reagan and I managed very well.

 

[Care4all]

I live ten minutes from the far-western part of the panhandle and that area is still as Conservative as it was back in the day. Of course, back in the 60s, one could be quite Conservative on social issues and vote Democrat. In the last election DeSantis won a couple of long time Democrat counties in southern Florida. That shocked me.
Hope you both enjoy your time down south where most things move at or near "Island speed"

My father, and grand parents and me, we're all born in Alabama, we moved to Ft.Walton Beach when dad got transferred there, from his station in Mobile when I was only a month old.... My grandparents moved to Ft Walton several times from Mobile, for my granddad's work. My dad and grand parents and great, and great great grandparents lived most all of their lives in Alabama, about 60 miles north of Fort Walton Beach.

Beautiful area!

 

[Robert W]

Good to see them still active. My Mom and sister live in the stinking Villages in Florida. My Mom is 92 and still drives.

I don’t mind flying, it is just that it is so cumbersome with checkpoints and delays. Driving down is not so bad.

And guess what? The shitty check in procedure could be changed if only the politicians so willed it to change.

For instance. A lot of people fly a lot. So why not simply put a green star on their drivers license once fully vetted so they do not have to wait all the damned time?

 

[Robert W]

I haven t worked for about 20 years, Matt 's employer went bankrupt during covid so he was laid off, and shortly after that he tore his rotator cuff and bicep and it took 8 months of pain during covid to diagnose and get surgery in a hospital, then months of rehab every day, and just as he healed from that, we found out he had prostate cancer and then he went through months of radiation and we just decided to sit it out till he turned 62 this year and started collecting social security....

It's been a hellish 3 years, but now it's official, Matt and I are retired!!!

Stories like yours, I am 85 and can't complain about my health, cause me to understand more that some of us are lucky, and some are not. I eagerly fly. No problem at all. And it is with other pilots flying too. I love flying to the point I have a pilot's license.

I recall taking a Teacher up to fly. I worked for a then C-21 office and at times managed that office for it's broker. I also was a Broker. Anyway a teacher worked with me. He wanted to go flying with me and said his teacher wife was scared. I said let her ride with me up front. And he and his kids rode in back. They were still very young kids.
Anyway I took off and flew them all towards the Golden Gate Bridge. She seemed quite calm to me so I said to her, would you like to try controlling the airplane? Surprised, she says yes. She took over and i coached her. She had a super great time. And by the time the flight was over, she lost all fear of flying. I really loved the way she could handle the plane as she was controlling it.

 

[Care4all]

Just remember, this state is one of the best places to live, which is why you are coming here. Dont bring your Democrat crap with you and vote to make it like Californication or any other shithole state. It is fine just the way it is.

My husband is a life long, Republican.....silly one!

 

[Robert W]

My husband is a life long, Republican.....silly one!

Well chosen by you. Marvelous to hear this.

 

[Ava]

Florida bound for a couple months of winter to visit with my parents and older sister....we'd stay longer but the hubby and I both have some medical appoints with specialists that took 8 months to get so we don't want to reschedule!

The hubby and I both hate, hate hate hate hate hate to fly....and I have been on airplanes flying since a baby, with dad being transferred all the time! And it was easier, when he was in the plane when a kid....I was scared, but felt comfort of sorts with him being there....I

But since the hubby and I both get scared and much closer to God every trip with our prayers to make it safely, we seem to build on each others fears....

my parents are still doing pretty good ...dad will be 92 next year and mom is either 89 or 90 next year....I can't remember.... Dad still drives, they still live alone in own home, my sister lives around the corner from them and cooks for them dinner, a few times a week! They like to eat out a lot now too....if they have a doctor's appointment in the nearby city, they always dine out while there there....

they just might make it to 100! Their 70th wedding anniversary is next year also! They still are pretty active....mom still cleans her own home, still irons her clothes, still wants to look young and dress with the latest fashions, make up before going out in public, it's absolutely amazing that my older sis and I are her children....since we are perfectly comfortable in sweats and a tee, or flannel for me and jeans here ....and not as prim and proper and caring about attire, as she cares....even at almost 90 for goodness sake! She still has her normal gate, dad has begun to walk like Biden, so he is starting to stiffen up I suppose....?

I'm so fortunate to still have both parents! My hubby lost both of his parents ages and ages ago.

If y'all don't see me posting, the Plane went down, and Matt and I have already united with our two beloved kitties, at Rainbow Bridge!

You are such a lovely woman, Care4all. I have always felt this about you which is the reason I don't read your political posts..lol. I don't want to change my mind. I am so happy for you and your loving family and what a lovely post you have shared with us. May you all have the best holiday season of your lives. Memories, ya know? Be safe, going and coming home. I'll be waiting for you.

 

[Care4all]

Stories like yours, I am 85 and can't complain about my health, cause me to understand more that some of us are lucky, and some are not. I eagerly fly. No problem at all. And it is with other pilots flying too. I love flying to the point I have a pilot's license.

I recall taking a Teacher up to fly. I worked for a then C-21 office and at times managed that office for it's broker. I also was a Broker. Anyway a teacher worked with me. He wanted to go flying with me and said his teacher wife was scared. I said let her ride with me up front. And he and his kids rode in back. They were still very young kids.
Anyway I took off and flew them all towards the Golden Gate Bridge. She seemed quite calm to me so I said to her, would you like to try controlling the airplane? Surprised, she says yes. She took over and i coached her. She had a super great time. And by the time the flight was over, she lost all fear of flying. I really loved the way she could handle the plane as she was controlling it.

It's the air pockets, and worry about air traffic control...being overworked and making mistakes... And the planes themselves, whether maintained properly or not! And of course, take offs and landings!

The movement of planes I'm fine with, but any bump or sudden drop, I am speaking to my Creator!

Helicopter is The worst of worse! Holy crap! That's just plain wrong, especially hovering....hubby and I worked up the guts to do a tour when on vacation in Maui.....scariest day of my life....we both kissed the ground when we landed! And thanked God!!!

 

[BackAgain]

Safe travels.

 

[sparky]

best wishes on you ventures C4all ~S~

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

My husband is a life long, Republican.....silly one!

George Bush type Republican?

 

[Care4all]

What part of Florida, generally, will you be traveling to?

A little North of the Villages, Ocala is the nearest city to them.

They moved to the region to retire, from the West Palm Beach area about 20 some years ago.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

It's the air pockets, and worry about air traffic control...being overworked and making mistakes... And the planes themselves, whether maintained properly or not! And of course, take offs and landings!

The movement of planes I'm fine with, but any bump or sudden drop, I am speaking to my Creator!

Helicopter is The worst of worse! Holy crap! That's just plain wrong, especially hovering....hubby and I worked up the guts to do a tour when on vacation in Maui.....scariest day of my life....we both kissed the ground when we landed! And thanked God!!!

I worked on A-10s, F-15s and F-16 and Bell Hewey helicopters. When you understand the principles of flight, it isnt as bad as it seems. And flying is 100s of thousands times safer than driving...

 

[Robert W]

It's the air pockets, and worry about air traffic control...being overworked and making mistakes... And the planes themselves, whether maintained properly or not! And of course, take offs and landings!

The movement of planes I'm fine with, but any bump or sudden drop, I am speaking to my Creator!

Helicopter is The worst of worse! Holy crap! That's just plain wrong, especially hovering....hubby and I worked up the guts to do a tour when on vacation in Maui.....scariest day of my life....we both kissed the ground when we landed! And thanked God!!!

I understand about so called air pockets. This was a way to try to explain to non scientists how the air in the sky is not simply uniform. This is part of the reason why the Democrats fear of climate change is pure bs and not to be taken serious.

I have many hundreds of air hours including some flights lasting over 12 hours. I very seldom encounter very bumpy flights. When I was training for mountain flying, me and another pilot went to Truckee CA to use their airport since bumpy flights there are are normal for hot days.

Now picture this. The Sierra nevada Mountains are behind me on my landing approach. The airplane landed like it would never stop flying. The heat was forcing me up so much it was floating the airplane. Finally I landed. i expected this. Taking back off the 5 times I did this, the plane was sluggish due to the extreme heat. It was hurting my power very much.
I was taking off headed at mountains. When I reached Highway 80, the air reversed and suddenly it was shoving me down to earth. My instructor suddenly showed his fear in fact. Worried the downdraft would crash me. But I calmed him down and turned left to repeat again. As I was now going downwind, I was above the forest. The forest was bumpy air. I banked left to go to the landing again and landed fine.

So the moral to this story is the pilot who was in back later took over. We ate at Lake Tahoe where I landed and he became the pilot and I was in back. He tried what I did and land at Truckee airport and never got it down. And gave up.
He called it off being scared. But he kept flying us back to the SF Bay area and landed back at Hayward at sea level and did a fine job landing.

Part and parcel of fear is our own mind. We all reach points where the imagination takes charge and we suddenly have fear. As did the instructor who was with both of us and I landed but the other pilot could not do it.

I have also been to the Islands of Hawaii and saw helicopters flying around the islands. Those winds there move from the east to the west most of the time and with the mountains there, would expect bumpy rides at times. I really sympathize with those fearing flying. Helicopters would never rise if the physics of flying stopped.

I realize for most my suggestion to go the local airport and ask an instructor to cure you of flying fear won't happen. But it is a good way to stop fearing flying.

I would ask the pilot to deal with my fears. If it was bumpy air, tell them that. If it cures you it will sure be worth the loss of dread on those trips you plan to make.

 

[Robert W]

I worked on A-10s, F-15s and F-16 and Bell Hewey helicopters. When you understand the principles of flight, it isnt as bad as it seems. And flying is 100s of thousands times safer than driving...

Thanks Mike for I had planned to also explain that to her.

To stop fearing flying, fly with an expert and tell him or her her fears. She can tell them every fear she has and they can show her it is not reasonable at all to fear flying.
We could talk all day long about a fear of driving and make more sense.

 

[Care4all]

I worked on A-10s, F-15s and F-16 and Bell Hewey helicopters. When you understand the principles of flight, it isnt as bad as it seems. And flying is 100s of thousands times safer than driving...

Maybe if I understood it, but I'm sorry it just is plain as day wrong....my mind could not deal with being so high, looking down to the ground and not having forward motion or just slowly moving forward set off a huge WARNING!

DANGER! DANGER! WILL ROBINSON moment to say the least! It just doesn't feel right!

and I am not scared of heights, I've done the top of the Empire State building and others, no problem!

 

[Robert W]

Maybe if I understood it, but I'm sorry it just is plain as day wrong....my mind could not deal with being so high, looking down to the ground and not having forward motion or just slowly moving forward set off a huge WARNING!

DANGER! DANGER! WILL ROBINSON moment to say the least! It just doesn't feel right!

and I am not scared of heights, I've done the top of the Empire State building and others, no problem!

Best to you and your hubby.