In America's most enthusiastically "anti-racist" school district, 70% of white students are proficient in math, but only 12% of the black students are

[JGalt]

Damn! It was to be kept a secret!

Oh shit. Now they'll probably turn me into a zombie.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

A number of different things. Racist housing policies that cemented segregated neighborhoods and vast economic disparities between white and black American families and tying public education funding to property taxes collected in those segregated neighborhoods certainly doesn't help.

The 1960s called. They want their excuses back.

If that were true, the "white neighborhoods" would have similar statistics to the "black neighborhoods".

California has been evenly distributing school funding for quite some time now. See prop 13.

Furthermore, this is statistic analysis within the same school district. The same school district has the same funding. So what are you saying?

How Proposition 13 Transformed Neighborhood Public Schools Throughout California | KQED

After the 1978 measure, decisions once made by local officials over how to spend funds for schools and how to educate and evaluate students shifted to state policymakers.

www.kqed.org

So, is that still your excuse?

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Looks like teachers using “Ebonics” in class is going to make a comeback.

 

[Curried Goats]

The 1960s called. They want their excuses back.

If nothing is ever done to address the inequalities of the psst don't expect the disparities to unwind themselves.

If that were true, the "white neighborhoods" would have similar statistics to the "black neighborhoods".

There is no such thing. The median net worth of white families in America is $170,000 composted to the $17,000 net worth of the median black family.

Closing the racial wealth gap requires heavy, progressive taxation of wealth

California has been evenly distributing school funding for quite some time now. See prop 13.

Furthermore, this is statistic analysis within the same school district. The same school district has the same funding. So what are you saying?

How Proposition 13 Transformed Neighborhood Public Schools Throughout California | KQED

After the 1978 measure, decisions once made by local officials over how to spend funds for schools and how to educate and evaluate students shifted to state policymakers.

www.kqed.org

So, is that still your excuse?

What makes you think these schools need equal funding? They need equitable funding. If a run down school in a poor black neighborhood starts receiving the same funding as a wealthy majority white school in a wealthy one do you think that means they can both now spend the same amount of dollars educating their students? Well if the older school in a poorer neighborhood needs more maintenence and more renovations then they aren't. If a larger percentage of their students rely on school breakfast and lunch programs then they can't. These schools may require more funding.

How school funding can help repair the legacy of segregation

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A number of different things. Racist housing policies that cemented segregated neighborhoods and vast economic disparities between white and black American families and tying public education funding to property taxes collected in those segregated neighborhoods certainly doesn't help.

So worse housing and less funding in San Francisco schools is why the white kids in the same
buildings have higher scores?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If nothing is ever done to address the inequalities of the psst don't expect the disparities to unwind themselves.

So, what do you recommend (I already know, I just want to you put it in writing)?

EDIT: Never mind. You edited to include your recommendation. Socialism. What a surprise.

There is no such thing. The median net worth of white families in America is $170,000 composted to the $17,000 net worth of the median black family.

The stats in this article are about THE SAME SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND prop 13. Median income is IRRELEVANT.

What makes you think these schools need equal funding? They need equitable funding.

What does this mean? Black kids need more funding than white kids? If so, why?

If a run down school in a poor black neighborhood starts receiving the same funding as a wealthy majority white school in a wealthy one do you think that means they can both now spend the same amount of dollars educating their students? Well if the older school in a poorer neighborhood needs more maintenence and more renovations then they aren't. If a larger percentage of their students rely on school breakfast and lunch programs then they can't. These schools may require more funding.

AGAIN, this is WITHIN the SAME FUCKING SCHOOL DISTRICT.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So worse housing and less funding in San Francisco schools is why the white kids in the same
buildings have higher scores?

Yeah, that's pretty much what he is saying. It's the same old canned excuse.

 

[Curried Goats]

So worse housing and less funding in San Francisco schools is why the white kids in the same
buildings have higher scores?

Yes. Economic disparities between white and black families can lead to vastly different outcomes.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Yes. Economic disparities between white and black families can lead to vastly different outcomes.

How?

School is school. The funding in this school district is equal. Wouldn't poor white kids get the same results?

 

[Curried Goats]

So, what do you recommend (I already know, I just want to you put it in writing)?

EDIT: Never mind. You edited to include your recommendation. Socialism. What a surprise.

The stats in this article are about THE SAME SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND prop 13. Median income is IRRELEVANT.

What does this mean? Black kids need more funding than white kids? If so, why?

AGAIN, this is WITHIN the SAME FUCKING SCHOOL DISTRICT.

Why is median wealth irrelevant? What does it matter if they are in the same district? First of all the article I posted showed that there's an over 20 billion dollar funding gap between majority white school districts and majority black districts. Secondly there can be widely varying standards within the same district in a lot of urban communities. In Miami my High school Miami Killian was in the middle of a wealthy Miami neighborhood but because the district was so expansive it bled a little in Richmond Heights, where I grew up. The district also included Palmetto Highschool where our most recent Supreme Court Justice went that included wealthy Kendall neighborhoods and poor neighborhoods in Perrine.

 

[Curried Goats]

How?

School is school. The funding in this school district is equal. Wouldn't poor white kids get the same results?

That goes back to median household income. Just because white and black students are in the same school district or even the same school doesn't mean they have the same economic circumstances.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The median net worth of white families in America is $170,000 composted to the $17,000 net worth of the median black family.

Two parent households have higher net worths, regardless of race.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes. Economic disparities between white and black families can lead to vastly different outcomes.

What about family disparities?
Do children from two parent households perform better?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

That goes back to median household income. Just because white and black students are in the same school district or even the same school doesn't mean they have the same economic circumstances.

You're not making the case for any connection between economic circumstances and math proficiency.

If that were true, poor white kids would have the same problem, no? You're not suggesting that, of the 70% of the white kids who are proficient in math in that school district, 100% of them are all rich kids and none of them are poor, are you?

 

[Curried Goats]

Two parent households have higher net worths, regardless of race.

Every child has two parents and despite marriage rates black fathers are the most involved childrens lives. Also black communities in general tend to believe more than whites than raising children is a group effort with grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins all playing a role.

Race/Ethnic Differences in Nonresident Fathers’ Involvement after a Nonmarital Birth

However even when we look at black families who are married, who have college educations and who earn high incomes even then there is a disparity of results between them and their white counterparts.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Every child has two parents and despite marriage rates black fathers are the most involved childrens lives. Also black communities in general tend to believe more than whites than raising children is a group effort with grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins all playing a role.

Race/Ethnic Differences in Nonresident Fathers’ Involvement after a Nonmarital Birth

However even when we look at black families who are married, who have college educations and who earn high incomes even then there is a disparity of results between them and their white counterparts.

Every child has two parents and despite marriage rates black fathers are the most involved childrens lives.

Do you have anything beyond this single study?

However even when we look at black families who are married, who have college educations and who earn high incomes even then there is a disparity of results between them and their white counterparts.

Younger families tend to have lower net worths than older ones.

 

[Curried Goats]

You're not making the case for any connection between economic circumstances and math proficiency.

If that were true, poor white kids would have the same problem, no? You're not suggesting that, of the 70% of the white kids who are proficient in math in that school district, 100% of them are all rich kids and none of them are poor, are you?

What makes you think poor white kids aren't over represented in that 30% who aren't proficient just as blacks are over represented in poverty? In fact what is your argument?

 

[Curried Goats]

Every child has two parents and despite marriage rates black fathers are the most involved childrens lives.

Do you have anything beyond this single study?

However even when we look at black families who are married, who have college educations and who earn high incomes even then there is a disparity of results between them and their white counterparts.

Younger families tend to have lower net worths than older ones.

Do you have an data at all to suggest black fathers aren't involved in their children's lives other than marriage rates?

Black Families of every age have ten times less wealth than white families and we all know why.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What makes you think poor white kids aren't over represented in that 30% who aren't proficient just as blacks are over represented in poverty? In fact what is your argument?

My argument is that 70% of white kids are proficient, 13% of black kids are proficient.

I can't even imagine the percentage of Asian kids. It's probably close to 100%.

What else do I need to say?

For decades, we have thrown money at this problem. The result is the same or worse.

No amount of government theft and redistribution of wealth will fix that problem.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Do you have an data at all to suggest black fathers aren't involved in their children's lives other than marriage rates?

Black Families of every age have ten times less wealth than white families and we all know why.

Do you have an data at all to suggest black fathers aren't involved in their children's lives other than marriage rates?

Besides poverty rates, literacy rates, graduation rates, incarceration rates and employment rates?
Not really.

Black Families of every age have ten times less wealth than white families

Show me.