flacaltenn
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Oh no! You mean we found common ground on an issue? Whatever will we do?
As long as looks nothing like your avi --- it's cool...
You mean mutual reluctant oral?
Looks like they're into it to me..
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Oh no! You mean we found common ground on an issue? Whatever will we do?
As long as looks nothing like your avi --- it's cool...
You mean mutual reluctant oral?
Utter bullshit.Shaman, that's another strawman argument. Nobody has said the government SUPPLIED the weapons, they simply DEMANDED that the gun dealers SELL the weapons to people they KNEW were ILLEGALLY purchasing them.
They didnt know they were being bought illegally because the laws in AZ are so relaxed that you cannot stop people from buying large numbers of weapons even if they end up at a crime scene.
AZ says that you have to prove the guns are going to be used in a crime. Which is impossible.
AZ laws are no different than most states. The issue is that ATF knew they had a straw buyer and instructed dealers to transfer the guns anyway. That is a crime.
ITT: Old Conservatives don't understand journalism.
ITT: Old Conservatives don't understand journalism.
WE do...and it isn't how it exists now derp.
South Africa has the toughest laws. And the highest number of deaths.
Switzerland and France have about the same rate. Switzerland has very lenient laws and France very strict ones.
So no, stricter laws do not work.
I ask again, what law would have prevented a non prohibited person from buying a gun?
The ATF ordered dealers to approve straw purchases. That is ipso facto illegal. It goes downhill from there.
OK. Since he was not a criminal. Had never been committed to an institution. Had no record of any kind. On what basis would you prohibit him? You didnt like the way he looked?South Africa has the toughest laws. And the highest number of deaths.
Switzerland and France have about the same rate. Switzerland has very lenient laws and France very strict ones.
So no, stricter laws do not work.
I ask again, what law would have prevented a non prohibited person from buying a gun?
The ATF ordered dealers to approve straw purchases. That is ipso facto illegal. It goes downhill from there.
A law that would have prohibited him, dumbass.
Or better yet, make gun sellers completely liable for anyone killed by their products. Betcha they'd do due diligence then.
ITT: Old Conservatives don't understand journalism.
WE do...and it isn't how it exists now derp.
OK. Since he was not a criminal. Had never been committed to an institution. Had no record of any kind. On what basis would you prohibit him? You didnt like the way he looked?South Africa has the toughest laws. And the highest number of deaths.
Switzerland and France have about the same rate. Switzerland has very lenient laws and France very strict ones.
So no, stricter laws do not work.
I ask again, what law would have prevented a non prohibited person from buying a gun?
The ATF ordered dealers to approve straw purchases. That is ipso facto illegal. It goes downhill from there.
A law that would have prohibited him, dumbass.
Or better yet, make gun sellers completely liable for anyone killed by their products. Betcha they'd do due diligence then.
Why don't you make car dealers completely liable every time some dumbass gets drunk and plows his car into someone? How about making sneaker dealers liable every time some kid rips off something and runs away in his sneakers?
You really are one sorry stupid POS.
OK. Since he was not a criminal. Had never been committed to an institution. Had no record of any kind. On what basis would you prohibit him? You didnt like the way he looked?A law that would have prohibited him, dumbass.
Or better yet, make gun sellers completely liable for anyone killed by their products. Betcha they'd do due diligence then.
Why don't you make car dealers completely liable every time some dumbass gets drunk and plows his car into someone? How about making sneaker dealers liable every time some kid rips off something and runs away in his sneakers?
You really are one sorry stupid POS.
The whole world knew who this guy was and how nuts he was within hours of him shooting Giffords.
Hours.
Please don't tell me that due diligence isn't possible. Because it's laughable in an "information age".
And prior to him doing it, no one knew who he was.OK. Since he was not a criminal. Had never been committed to an institution. Had no record of any kind. On what basis would you prohibit him? You didnt like the way he looked?A law that would have prohibited him, dumbass.
Or better yet, make gun sellers completely liable for anyone killed by their products. Betcha they'd do due diligence then.
Why don't you make car dealers completely liable every time some dumbass gets drunk and plows his car into someone? How about making sneaker dealers liable every time some kid rips off something and runs away in his sneakers?
You really are one sorry stupid POS.
The whole world knew who this guy was and how nuts he was within hours of him shooting Giffords.
Hours.
Please don't tell me that due diligence isn't possible. Because it's laughable in an "information age".
OK. Since he was not a criminal. Had never been committed to an institution. Had no record of any kind. On what basis would you prohibit him? You didnt like the way he looked?South Africa has the toughest laws. And the highest number of deaths.
Switzerland and France have about the same rate. Switzerland has very lenient laws and France very strict ones.
So no, stricter laws do not work.
I ask again, what law would have prevented a non prohibited person from buying a gun?
The ATF ordered dealers to approve straw purchases. That is ipso facto illegal. It goes downhill from there.
A law that would have prohibited him, dumbass.
Or better yet, make gun sellers completely liable for anyone killed by their products. Betcha they'd do due diligence then.
Why don't you make car dealers completely liable every time some dumbass gets drunk and plows his car into someone? How about making sneaker dealers liable every time some kid rips off something and runs away in his sneakers?
You really are one sorry stupid POS.
And prior to him doing it, no one knew who he was.
Is there a point you are trying to make here? Other than you have no fucking idea what you're talking about?
That made my night
And prior to him doing it, no one knew who he was.
Is there a point you are trying to make here? Other than you have no fucking idea what you're talking about?
Point is we live in an information age.
If you held gun dealers to account for the people they sell guns to, they'd find out who they were selling guns to..
simple tidal gravity.
And prior to him doing it, no one knew who he was.
Is there a point you are trying to make here? Other than you have no fucking idea what you're talking about?
Point is we live in an information age.
If you held gun dealers to account for the people they sell guns to, they'd find out who they were selling guns to..
simple tidal gravity.
Information is only what happene previously. Not what soemone is going to do tomorrow.
Why would you hold gun dealers to a standard no other seller of any item is held to?
You are a dunce and a half.
No. Actually the moment the buyer checked the yes box on the 4473 that asks "are you the actual buyer of the gun" and signed the form he had committed a felony. And since the approval was done with permission of ATF that makes them an accomplice to that felony.