Inhofe Exposes Global Warming Hoax

[logical4u]

Now of course, the satellite record doesn't support your lie. The 13 month running average shows an increase of +.4C from 1980 to 2011. But deniers being dishonest, they cherry pick individual months to falsely claim we are at the same temperature as 30 years ago. I can do the same cherry picking and say that the temp has gone up +.6C the last 25+ years.

Thank you again for showing the dishonesty of denier's data.

How often was that equipment calibrated? What is the margin of error? Did the calibration favor the positive side or the negative side?
Seriously, if it was 3 degrees C in the last 25 years, with the limited number of samples taken (compared to the surface area of the planet), it would be a neglible number. If you could demonstrate one area (say 1000 square miles) increased "steadily" by 5 degrees or more, you might be on to something. .6 C, please....

Logical, that is a graph from Dr. Roy Spencer, the fellow Rush Limpbaugh calls his own scientist. And his data leaves out the worst of the warmng in the Arctic.

You did not answer the questions. If you are stating this data should "change" our lives, then you should be able to tell me if the equipment was within calibration and if it was calibrated, regularly.

 

[logical4u]

http://www.igsoc.org/journal/56/198/j09j079.pdf

Comparison of satellite, thermochron and air temperatures at
Summit, Greenland, during the winter of 2008/09
Lora S. KOENIG, Dorothy K. HALL
Cryospheric Sciences Branch, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 614.1, Greenbelt, Maryland 20771, USA
E-mail: [email protected]
ABSTRACT. Current trends show a rise in Arctic surface and air temperatures, including over the
Greenland ice sheet where rising temperatures will contribute to increased sea-level rise through
increased melt. We aim to establish the uncertainties in using satellite-derived surface temperature for
measuring Arctic surface temperature, as satellite data are increasingly being used to assess temperature
trends. To accomplish this, satellite-derived surface temperature, or land-surface temperature (LST),
must be validated and limitations of the satellite data must be assessed quantitatively. During the 2008/
09 boreal winter at Summit, Greenland, we employed data from standard US National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) air-temperature instruments, button-sized temperature sensors
called thermochrons and the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) satellite
instrument to (1) assess the accuracy and utility of thermochrons in an ice-sheet environment and (2)
compare MODIS-derived LSTs with thermochron-derived surface and air temperatures. The thermochron-
derived air temperatures were very accurate, within 0.10.38C of the NOAA-derived air
temperature, but thermochron-derived surface temperatures were 38C higher than MODIS-derived
LSTs. Though surface temperature is largely determined by air temperature, these variables can differ
significantly. Furthermore, we show that the winter-time mean air temperature, adjusted to surface
temperature, was 118C higher than the winter-time mean MODIS-derived LST. This marked difference
occurs largely because satellite-derived LSTs cannot be measured through cloud cover, so caution must
be exercised in using time series of satellite LST data to study seasonal temperature trends.

Doesn't that say, use SWAG?????

 

[obama6493]

Inhofe, the completely owned whore for the energy corperations.

The only economic sector that will survive the EPA is the impotent, directly-subsidised, and over-hyped "green" industries. And if Obama has his way, it will be done at the expense of hundreds of thousands of jobs that actually contribute to the GDP of this country.

 

[edthecynic]

How often was that equipment calibrated? What is the margin of error? Did the calibration favor the positive side or the negative side?
Seriously, if it was 3 degrees C in the last 25 years, with the limited number of samples taken (compared to the surface area of the planet), it would be a neglible number. If you could demonstrate one area (say 1000 square miles) increased "steadily" by 5 degrees or more, you might be on to something. .6 C, please....

Logical, that is a graph from Dr. Roy Spencer, the fellow Rush Limpbaugh calls his own scientist. And his data leaves out the worst of the warmng in the Arctic.

You did not answer the questions. If you are stating this data should "change" our lives, then you should be able to tell me if the equipment was within calibration and if it was calibrated, regularly.

That's why they use ANOMALIES. With anomalies calibration is unimportant. But as an expert on the environment you already knew that.

 

[westwall]

Logical, that is a graph from Dr. Roy Spencer, the fellow Rush Limpbaugh calls his own scientist. And his data leaves out the worst of the warmng in the Arctic.

You did not answer the questions. If you are stating this data should "change" our lives, then you should be able to tell me if the equipment was within calibration and if it was calibrated, regularly.

That's why they use ANOMALIES. With anomalies calibration is unimportant. But as an expert on the environment you already knew that.

If the equipment is not correct how do you know the ANOMALIES even exist?

 

[IanC]

You did not answer the questions. If you are stating this data should "change" our lives, then you should be able to tell me if the equipment was within calibration and if it was calibrated, regularly.

That's why they use ANOMALIES. With anomalies calibration is unimportant. But as an expert on the environment you already knew that.

If the equipment is not correct how do you know the ANOMALIES even exist?

even if the equipment was inaccurate but precise you would still get useful information on trends. unfortunately it is those very trends that have been 'adjusted' by Hansen et al in data sets like GISS.

 

[edthecynic]

You did not answer the questions. If you are stating this data should "change" our lives, then you should be able to tell me if the equipment was within calibration and if it was calibrated, regularly.

That's why they use ANOMALIES. With anomalies calibration is unimportant. But as an expert on the environment you already knew that.

If the equipment is not correct how do you know the ANOMALIES even exist?

Yet another environmental expert who doesn't know how anomalies work.

Let's say the meter is off by 5 degrees. Every reading will be off by the same 5 degrees. The 30 year average will be off by the same 5 degrees. The anomaly will be calculated by comparing the current reading, off by 5 degrees, to the 30 year average, also off by 5 degrees, and the DIFFERENCE is recorded as the anomaly. If the DIFFERENCE is positive the TREND is up and if the DIFFERENCE is minus the TREND is down. Anomalies accurately show the direction of the trend no matter how inaccurate the meter is. Anomalies only show trends, they do not give the actual temperature.

 

[IanC]

That's why they use ANOMALIES. With anomalies calibration is unimportant. But as an expert on the environment you already knew that.

If the equipment is not correct how do you know the ANOMALIES even exist?

Yet another environmental expert who doesn't know how anomalies work.

Let's say the meter is off by 5 degrees. Every reading will be off by the same 5 degrees. The 30 year average will be off by the same 5 degrees. The anomaly will be calculated by comparing the current reading, off by 5 degrees, to the 30 year average, also off by 5 degrees, and the DIFFERENCE is recorded as the anomaly. If the DIFFERENCE is positive the TREND is up and if the DIFFERENCE is minus the TREND is down. Anomalies accurately show the direction of the trend no matter how inaccurate the meter is. Anomalies only show trends, they do not give the actual temperature.

and you dont understand that going back and lowering past temp data while increasing more recent data also dramatically affects the trends. these adjustments areo
on the order of half of the trend.

 

[edthecynic]

That's why they use ANOMALIES. With anomalies calibration is unimportant. But as an expert on the environment you already knew that.

If the equipment is not correct how do you know the ANOMALIES even exist?

even if the equipment was inaccurate but precise you would still get useful information on trends. unfortunately it is those very trends that have been 'adjusted' by Hansen et al in data sets like GISS.

You gotta love how deniers operate. They whine and bitch that some temperature stations are in bad locations and should be removed from the data. When they are removed and the new data is charted deniers then condemn them for "adjusting" the data, while these same deniers ignore their side deliberately using the opposite sign to correct for diurnal satellite drift to create data that shows global cooling. You never see the deniers post a blink comparator of Christy and Spencer's UAH satellite charts.

 

[IanC]

If the equipment is not correct how do you know the ANOMALIES even exist?

even if the equipment was inaccurate but precise you would still get useful information on trends. unfortunately it is those very trends that have been 'adjusted' by Hansen et al in data sets like GISS.

You gotta love how deniers operate. They whine and bitch that some temperature stations are in bad locations and should be removed from the data. When they are removed and the new data is charted deniers then condemn them for "adjusting" the data, while these same deniers ignore their side deliberately using the opposite sign to correct for diurnal satellite drift to create data that shows global cooling. You never see the deniers post a blink comparator of Christy and Spencer's UAH satellite charts.

so they magically found that old data was too high and new data was too low? riiiiiiiight.

post up a link to Spencer and Christie' fraud. I'm sure we would all be interested.

 

[edthecynic]

even if the equipment was inaccurate but precise you would still get useful information on trends. unfortunately it is those very trends that have been 'adjusted' by Hansen et al in data sets like GISS.

You gotta love how deniers operate. They whine and bitch that some temperature stations are in bad locations and should be removed from the data. When they are removed and the new data is charted deniers then condemn them for "adjusting" the data, while these same deniers ignore their side deliberately using the opposite sign to correct for diurnal satellite drift to create data that shows global cooling. You never see the deniers post a blink comparator of Christy and Spencer's UAH satellite charts.

so they magically found that old data was too high and new data was too low? riiiiiiiight.

post up a link to Spencer and Christie' fraud. I'm sure we would all be interested.

I've already done that at least a dozen time for YOU and each time you cut and run.

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[IanC]

You gotta love how deniers operate. They whine and bitch that some temperature stations are in bad locations and should be removed from the data. When they are removed and the new data is charted deniers then condemn them for "adjusting" the data, while these same deniers ignore their side deliberately using the opposite sign to correct for diurnal satellite drift to create data that shows global cooling. You never see the deniers post a blink comparator of Christy and Spencer's UAH satellite charts.

so they magically found that old data was too high and new data was too low? riiiiiiiight.

post up a link to Spencer and Christie' fraud. I'm sure we would all be interested.

I've already done that at least a dozen time for YOU and each time you cut and run.

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are there any links to anything besides you saying there was a fraud?

 

[BrianH]

That's why they use ANOMALIES. With anomalies calibration is unimportant. But as an expert on the environment you already knew that.

If the equipment is not correct how do you know the ANOMALIES even exist?

Yet another environmental expert who doesn't know how anomalies work.

Let's say the meter is off by 5 degrees. Every reading will be off by the same 5 degrees. The 30 year average will be off by the same 5 degrees. The anomaly will be calculated by comparing the current reading, off by 5 degrees, to the 30 year average, also off by 5 degrees, and the DIFFERENCE is recorded as the anomaly. If the DIFFERENCE is positive the TREND is up and if the DIFFERENCE is minus the TREND is down. Anomalies accurately show the direction of the trend no matter how inaccurate the meter is. Anomalies only show trends, they do not give the actual temperature.

I'm not quite sure about this specific equipment, or what "anomaly" they have. I do, however, know something about instrumentation. The problem with instrumentation is that it's designed to work a certain way, therefore, people assume that it is working correctly and how it's designed to work. On top of that, they also assume that an instrument will only have one "anomaly" at a time. Anyone involved in instrumentation knows that one anomaly is usually linked to another. Are we sure that if the instrument was off 5 degrees, that this was the only anomaly caused by a certain problem? I watch trends that are created by the monitoring of highly sensitive transmittors and radars. I work with level transmittors, temperature transmitters, PH transmittors, pressure transmittors and turbidity transmittors every day. There's one thing I've learned about these transmittors and this expensive equipment. You CANNOT trust them.

 

[IanC]

edthecynic- is this the fraud you keep talking about but never showing us?

While their criticism of the UAH diurnal cycle adjustment method is somewhat speculative, Mears & Wentz were additionally able to demonstrate to us, privately, that there is an error that arises from our implementation of the UAH technique. This very convincing demonstration, which is based upon simple algebra and was discovered too late to make it into their published report, made it obvious to us that the UAH diurnal correction method had a bias that needed to be corrected.


Since we (UAH) had already been working on a new diurnal adjustment technique, based upon the newer and more powerful AMSUs that have been flying since 1998, we rushed our new method to completion recently, and implemented new corrections. As a result, the UAH global temperature trends for the period 1979 to the present have increased from +0.09 to +0.12 deg. C/decade -- still below the RSS estimate of +0.19 deg. C/decade.

Some Convergence of Global Warming Estimates - TCS Daily in responce to RSS paper http://www.remss.com/papers/mears_science_2005.pdf

as an aside, RSS has made a correction to their post 1999 figures that drops them very close to UAH. so far no explanation for the change has been put forth

 

[edthecynic]

If the equipment is not correct how do you know the ANOMALIES even exist?

Yet another environmental expert who doesn't know how anomalies work.

Let's say the meter is off by 5 degrees. Every reading will be off by the same 5 degrees. The 30 year average will be off by the same 5 degrees. The anomaly will be calculated by comparing the current reading, off by 5 degrees, to the 30 year average, also off by 5 degrees, and the DIFFERENCE is recorded as the anomaly. If the DIFFERENCE is positive the TREND is up and if the DIFFERENCE is minus the TREND is down. Anomalies accurately show the direction of the trend no matter how inaccurate the meter is. Anomalies only show trends, they do not give the actual temperature.

I'm not quite sure about this specific equipment, or what "anomaly" they have. I do, however, know something about instrumentation. The problem with instrumentation is that it's designed to work a certain way, therefore, people assume that it is working correctly and how it's designed to work. On top of that, they also assume that an instrument will only have one "anomaly" at a time. Anyone involved in instrumentation knows that one anomaly is usually linked to another. Are we sure that if the instrument was off 5 degrees, that this was the only anomaly caused by a certain problem? I watch trends that are created by the monitoring of highly sensitive transmittors and radars. I work with level transmittors, temperature transmitters, PH transmittors, pressure transmittors and turbidity transmittors every day. There's one thing I've learned about these transmittors and this expensive equipment. You CANNOT trust them.

The meter being off by 5 degrees is NOT the anomaly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An anomaly is the deviation from the 30 year average for that meter.

 

[edthecynic]

edthecynic- is this the fraud you keep talking about but never showing us?

While their criticism of the UAH diurnal cycle adjustment method is somewhat speculative, Mears & Wentz were additionally able to demonstrate to us, privately, that there is an error that arises from our implementation of the UAH technique. This very convincing demonstration, which is based upon simple algebra and was discovered too late to make it into their published report, made it obvious to us that the UAH diurnal correction method had a bias that needed to be corrected.


Since we (UAH) had already been working on a new diurnal adjustment technique, based upon the newer and more powerful AMSUs that have been flying since 1998, we rushed our new method to completion recently, and implemented new corrections. As a result, the UAH global temperature trends for the period 1979 to the present have increased from +0.09 to +0.12 deg. C/decade -- still below the RSS estimate of +0.19 deg. C/decade.

Some Convergence of Global Warming Estimates - TCS Daily in responce to RSS paper http://www.remss.com/papers/mears_science_2005.pdf

as an aside, RSS has made a correction to their post 1999 figures that drops them very close to UAH. so far no explanation for the change has been put forth

Questions about the "accuracy" of the UAH data began in 2000, and Christy and Spencer refused to check their "method." That simple algebraic correction was using the correct sign for diurnal satellite drift. We're supposed to believe that the formost experts on satellite data were too stupid to know what sign to use and as deniers just happened to GUESS the sign that showed global cooling.

And even though Mears & Wentz showed them their algebraic error in 2005, Christy and Spencer didn't get around to correcting it till 2007.

 

[westwall]

That's why they use ANOMALIES. With anomalies calibration is unimportant. But as an expert on the environment you already knew that.

If the equipment is not correct how do you know the ANOMALIES even exist?

even if the equipment was inaccurate but precise you would still get useful information on trends. unfortunately it is those very trends that have been 'adjusted' by Hansen et al in data sets like GISS.

That's my point. There's no zero point. If we had a baseline we could at least derive some useful information.

 

[edthecynic]

If the equipment is not correct how do you know the ANOMALIES even exist?

even if the equipment was inaccurate but precise you would still get useful information on trends. unfortunately it is those very trends that have been 'adjusted' by Hansen et al in data sets like GISS.

That's my point. There's no zero point. If we had a baseline we could at least derive some useful information.

The baseline is the 30 year average for that particular meter!!!!
Geeeeezzzz you guys are THICK!

 

[westwall]

even if the equipment was inaccurate but precise you would still get useful information on trends. unfortunately it is those very trends that have been 'adjusted' by Hansen et al in data sets like GISS.

That's my point. There's no zero point. If we had a baseline we could at least derive some useful information.

The baseline is the 30 year average for that particular meter!!!!
Geeeeezzzz you guys are THICK!

No, thicker person, there is no baseline for the actual instruments because Hansen keeps "adjusting" them. Try to keep up with what;s being discussed instead of blathering on about your particular bit of drivel. We don't KNOW what the measurements are because they keep getting changed. Got it? That's the issue. If the instruments keep getting adjusted after the fact you don't know what the hell the readings are do you smart guy.

 

[edthecynic]

That's my point. There's no zero point. If we had a baseline we could at least derive some useful information.

The baseline is the 30 year average for that particular meter!!!!
Geeeeezzzz you guys are THICK!

No, thicker person, there is no baseline for the actual instruments because Hansen keeps "adjusting" them. Try to keep up with what;s being discussed instead of blathering on about your particular bit of drivel. We don't KNOW what the measurements are because they keep getting changed. Got it? That's the issue. If the instruments keep getting adjusted after the fact you don't know what the hell the readings are do you smart guy.

Bullshit!