Interesting Statue Information

[MaryL]

Augustus St Gardens was the next best thing to Michelangelo Americans ever had, he sculpted that statue of Sherman in central park.

 

[Bonzi]

Many people feel that we need to keep our entire history in tact and remember it for the good and the bad.... as was stated above....

 

[SeaGal]

"Let's dispose of the past since it dosen't suit our needs now"-MaryL

Well said.

Statuary are works of art - art evokes emotion...in this case, petulance. Whatever shall we do next?...burn books?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Many people feel that we need to keep our entire history in tact and remember it for the good and the bad.... as was stated above....

Not the same. Private vs public.

Put the fucking statues in museum exhibit halls named "American Traitors" or "The Worst of Us". Clearly state that the battle to move them was won by sane Americans in 2017.

I don't want them destroyed. I want them preserved so future generations stations cam see that we STILL had a shit ton of bigots and morons lavishing praise on traitors in 2017.

 

[Muhammed]

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So. Fucking. What?

Not a word "celebrating slavery", imbecile.

FDR was pro-slavery to the extreme. When he reinstituted slavery in the USA he did it in a big way. The morally bankrupt tyrant enslaved about ten million US citizens
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And I think that there should be statues of FDR with bronze plates stating that fact.

 

[JoeB131]

Not a word "celebrating slavery", imbecile.

So what. Lee fought to preserve slavery, and they put a monument up to him to say, "fuck you, black people'.

Tear them down. Just like the people of eastern Europe tore down all those statues to Lenin and the Red Army.

 

[JoeB131]

Many people feel that we need to keep our entire history in tact and remember it for the good and the bad.... as was stated above....

But here's the thing. we don't take those cartoons and show them on Saturday Morning. yes, you may see them if you are taking a class on animation, but we don't show them to impressionable kiddies and say, "That's a totally acceptable attitude to have!"

 

[cnelsen]

Not a word "celebrating slavery", imbecile.

So what. Lee fought to preserve slavery, and they put a monument up to him to say, "fuck you, black people'.

Tear them down. Just like the people of eastern Europe tore down all those statues to Lenin and the Red Army.

The statues to Lenin were erected by the winners. The statues to Lee were erected by the losers. You see the profound implications, do you not? If the statues of Lenin were torn down by the eventual real winners, who are the "eventual real winners" when the Lee statue is removed?

 

[rightwinger]

Many people feel that we need to keep our entire history in tact and remember it for the good and the bad.... as was stated above....

Have you ever seen those cartoons from the 30s and 40s?
Laughable racial stereotypes with lazy blacks eating watermelons

 

[Bonzi]

Many people feel that we need to keep our entire history in tact and remember it for the good and the bad.... as was stated above....

Have you ever seen those cartoons from the 30s and 40s?
Laughable racial stereotypes with lazy blacks eating watermelons

There is a reason you can't find the Disney DVD, Song of the South

 

[Bonzi]

Many people feel that we need to keep our entire history in tact and remember it for the good and the bad.... as was stated above....

But here's the thing. we don't take those cartoons and show them on Saturday Morning. yes, you may see them if you are taking a class on animation, but we don't show them to impressionable kiddies and say, "That's a totally acceptable attitude to have!"

Most of the current cartoons now on TV do not display acceptable attitudes or behaviors either....

 

[Pogo]

Many people feel that we need to keep our entire history in tact and remember it for the good and the bad.... as was stated above....

Have you ever seen those cartoons from the 30s and 40s?
Laughable racial stereotypes with lazy blacks eating watermelons

Besides the outright and widespread cultural bigotry, the whole Lost Cause movement, the riots, the lynchings (complete with postcards and even body parts sold as souvenirs) and public acceptance of widespread segregation, the period in general was also the era of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" fake news, complete with Henry Ford's publishing of it .... as well as the blatant authoritarianism of the Palmer Raids and the Sedition Act, to the point of a citizen being jailed for refusing to kiss an American flag.

Given all this poisoned environment it would have been shocking if it did not culminate in the explosion of Fascism. That's why it's crucial to recognize the context.

 

[rightwinger]

Many people feel that we need to keep our entire history in tact and remember it for the good and the bad.... as was stated above....

Have you ever seen those cartoons from the 30s and 40s?
Laughable racial stereotypes with lazy blacks eating watermelons

There is a reason you can't find the Disney DVD, Song of the South

Much of Song of the South is pretty good
Parts are cringe worthy

The overall objection is the depiction of happy slaves singing and dancing in front of their benevolent masters

 

[Pogo]

Many people feel that we need to keep our entire history in tact and remember it for the good and the bad.... as was stated above....

Have you ever seen those cartoons from the 30s and 40s?
Laughable racial stereotypes with lazy blacks eating watermelons

There is a reason you can't find the Disney DVD, Song of the South

Much of Song of the South is pretty good
Parts are cringe worthy

The overall objection is the depiction of happy slaves singing and dancing in front of their benevolent masters

All part of the same propaganda narrative that put the statues and monuments up. And wrote the Jim Crow laws, and the books, and the plays, and the minstrel shows, and the films...

Considering the mindset-coordination of all this, you'd think the board conspiracy nuts would be eating this up. You'd think. I guess they need an imprimatur from Alex Jones?

 

[Conservative65]

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Do you think FDR belonged to the UDC? Or was a proponent of the Lost Cause movement?

Or are you just ignoring all that?

Here's a fun quiz. Know who was against the building of Civil War statues and monuments?

-- Robert E. Lee

That's why Robert E. Lee didn't build any.

 

[Conservative65]

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So. Fucking. What?

Yet you lefties hold FDR in such high regard and rank him as one of best of all time. Your fellow lefties also say if you support a traitor you are a traitor. Why do you support traitors like FDR?

 

[MizMolly]

 

[cnelsen]

Many people feel that we need to keep our entire history in tact and remember it for the good and the bad.... as was stated above....

But here's the thing. we don't take those cartoons and show them on Saturday Morning. yes, you may see them if you are taking a class on animation, but we don't show them to impressionable kiddies and say, "That's a totally acceptable attitude to have!"

Most of the current cartoons now on TV do not display acceptable attitudes or behaviors either....

At least the ones from the 30s didn't render our children defenseless.

 

[cnelsen]

Many people feel that we need to keep our entire history in tact and remember it for the good and the bad.... as was stated above....

Have you ever seen those cartoons from the 30s and 40s?
Laughable racial stereotypes with lazy blacks eating watermelons

There is a reason you can't find the Disney DVD, Song of the South

Much of Song of the South is pretty good
Parts are cringe worthy

The overall objection is the depiction of happy slaves singing and dancing in front of their benevolent masters

All part of the same propaganda narrative that put the statues and monuments up. And wrote the Jim Crow laws, and the books, and the plays, and the minstrel shows, and the films...

Considering the mindset-coordination of all this, you'd think the board conspiracy nuts would be eating this up. You'd think. I guess they need an imprimatur from Alex Jones?

"And wrote the Jim Crow laws, "

What a self-righteous, smug ass you are. Jim Crow laws didn't go anywhere. They just changed the name to "white flight". What's your zip code, phony?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

That was a time when people honored a good soldier because he fought the good fight bravely and honorably..All confederates were made US veterans in 1958.....

It was a different era, turbulent and people fought for what they believed in, probably 99% of Confederate soldiers didn't own slaves. They were soldiers fighting for something, but it wasn't slavery.

99% is wrong but I would say a good portion, maybe half, of soldiers fighting for the South didn't own slaves, but they did know they were fighting to keep that system of owning people in place. I have no problem at all with honoring these men for fighting by keeping their cemeteries sacred, but the statues and monuments to the men that led them who knew exactly what they were doing need to go to museums or even to the cemeteries for Confederates. Most of these statues weren't erected to honor these leaders, they were erected as an effort, 50 years after the Civil War, to cleanse their actions and to put in place a visible daily reminder to blacks in the south "we are still in charge so know your place'. You want to talk about 'changing history' it was the erection of these statues that was the attempt to change history.

And now that era is coming to an end. It's simple these statues don't have to be destroyed just move them to a museum where they belong.

In time these very statues themselves will be viewed as another move forward for the country. At a museum 50 years from now... "mommy, what are these statues?". "They are monuments put up to remind black people that they were still second class citizens in the early 20th century." "I'm glad we don't live like that anymore mom." "Me too son. Look, here's the first submarine used by the South in the Civil War!" "Wow! Cool!"

25% - 30% of landowners in the south owned slaves.
I would wager that of the grunt soldiers, maybe a whole 2% of them were landowners...so in reality maybe - MAYBE 1% of ground grunts owned slaves. And that would be a stretch