Is Abortion the same as murder?

[NYcarbineer]

Abortion is not murder, but most of your threads are.

 

[Clementine]

In the eyes of the law no. In the eyes of God yes. Which is why any pro-lifers who have exemptions like for the 'safety of the mother' or 'in case of rape' are full of shit.

There is no mention of abortion in any of the holy books of any religion: Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, nor Shinto.

Maybe the thought that they could kill the fetus never occurred to them.

 

[RandallFlagg]

In the eyes of the law no. In the eyes of God yes. Which is why any pro-lifers who have exemptions like for the 'safety of the mother' or 'in case of rape' are full of shit.

There is no mention of abortion in any of the holy books of any religion: Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, nor Shinto.

Maybe the thought that they could kill the fetus never occurred to them.

I have this funny feeling that 5,000 years ago they had no "conception" of what "conception" was....

 

[TheOldSchool]

So you are another in the long list of republicans that wants to do away with the SCOTUS?

I actually think the people should have control over what 'laws' should exist.

So you want to do away with the SCOTUS

No. There are a lot of court decision that I agree with. I just think the people ought to have the final say over what is constitutional and what is not. Do you oppose the people being in control of the things their government does?

Go to your local elementary school and ask for a copy of the 1st or 2nd grade history book, so you can find out why the SCOTUS was created in the first place.

It was to preside over cases involving the laws of the united states and the constitution. Those were all written by the people's representatives so it makes sense the same people should have the final say on what the constitution means and doesn't mean.

Guess what, your representatives can pass an amendment to the constitution tomorrow about anything.

Let me guess... you're butthurt that gay people can get married, the SCOTUS didn't destroy Obamacare, and maybe they stopped conservatives from doing a bunch of unconstitutional BS. Your representatives can pass an amendment to undo all of that. Your time would be better spent bitching at them than whining and moaning about the SCOTUS doing their job.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Abortion is not murder, but most of your threads are.

LOL. Good one.

 

[TheOldSchool]

In the eyes of the law no. In the eyes of God yes. Which is why any pro-lifers who have exemptions like for the 'safety of the mother' or 'in case of rape' are full of shit.

There is no mention of abortion in any of the holy books of any religion: Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, nor Shinto.

Maybe the thought that they could kill the fetus never occurred to them.

That's a strange thing for an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and especially omniscient being to not be clear about.

 

[TheOldSchool]

So you want to do away with the SCOTUS

No. There are a lot of court decision that I agree with. I just think the people ought to have the final say over what is constitutional and what is not. Do you oppose the people being in control of the things their government does?

Go to your local elementary school and ask for a copy of the 1st or 2nd grade history book, so you can find out why the SCOTUS was created in the first place.

It was to preside over cases involving the laws of the united states and the constitution. Those were all written by the people's representatives so it makes sense the same people should have the final say on what the constitution means and doesn't mean.

Guess what, your representatives can pass an amendment to the constitution tomorrow about anything.

Let me guess... you're butthurt that gay people can get married, the SCOTUS didn't destroy Obamacare, and maybe they stopped conservatives from doing a bunch of unconstitutional BS. Your representatives can pass an amendment to undo all of that. Your time would be better spent bitching at them than whining and moaning about the SCOTUS doing their job.

Why even bother doing that when the supreme court can just neutralize everything it doesn't like?

It can't retard. Checks and balances, the 3 branches.... oh for fucks sake just take my advice about borrowing a history book from a 1st grader. Catch up on your education at least a little bit.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

I actually think the people should have control over what 'laws' should exist.

So you want to do away with the SCOTUS

No. There are a lot of court decision that I agree with. I just think the people ought to have the final say over what is constitutional and what is not. Do you oppose the people being in control of the things their government does?

Go to your local elementary school and ask for a copy of the 1st or 2nd grade history book, so you can find out why the SCOTUS was created in the first place.

It was to preside over cases involving the laws of the united states and the constitution. Those were all written by the people's representatives so it makes sense the same people should have the final say on what the constitution means and doesn't mean.

Guess what, your representatives can pass an amendment to the constitution tomorrow about anything.

Let me guess... you're butthurt that gay people can get married, the SCOTUS didn't destroy Obamacare, and maybe they stopped conservatives from doing a bunch of unconstitutional BS. Your representatives can pass an amendment to undo all of that. Your time would be better spent bitching at them than whining and moaning about the SCOTUS doing their job.

Does it really piss you off that the people have the final say on what their government does? Sometimes I think that this 'let them do their job' bullshit is nothing more than a nice way to say 'the people shouldn't be injecting their opinions into the decision making process so we should mind our own business and LET THEM DO THEIR JOB'

 

[SuperDemocrat]

No. There are a lot of court decision that I agree with. I just think the people ought to have the final say over what is constitutional and what is not. Do you oppose the people being in control of the things their government does?

Go to your local elementary school and ask for a copy of the 1st or 2nd grade history book, so you can find out why the SCOTUS was created in the first place.

It was to preside over cases involving the laws of the united states and the constitution. Those were all written by the people's representatives so it makes sense the same people should have the final say on what the constitution means and doesn't mean.

Guess what, your representatives can pass an amendment to the constitution tomorrow about anything.

Let me guess... you're butthurt that gay people can get married, the SCOTUS didn't destroy Obamacare, and maybe they stopped conservatives from doing a bunch of unconstitutional BS. Your representatives can pass an amendment to undo all of that. Your time would be better spent bitching at them than whining and moaning about the SCOTUS doing their job.

Why even bother doing that when the supreme court can just neutralize everything it doesn't like?

It can't retard. Checks and balances, the 3 branches.... oh for fucks sake just take my advice about borrowing a history book from a 1st grader. Catch up on your education at least a little bit.

In the first grade I learned that this was not a proper sentence:
"It can't retard. Checks and balances, the 3 branches.... oh for fucks sake just take my advice about borrowing a history book from a 1st grader. "

 

[SuperDemocrat]

No. There are a lot of court decision that I agree with. I just think the people ought to have the final say over what is constitutional and what is not. Do you oppose the people being in control of the things their government does?

Go to your local elementary school and ask for a copy of the 1st or 2nd grade history book, so you can find out why the SCOTUS was created in the first place.

It was to preside over cases involving the laws of the united states and the constitution. Those were all written by the people's representatives so it makes sense the same people should have the final say on what the constitution means and doesn't mean.

Guess what, your representatives can pass an amendment to the constitution tomorrow about anything.

Let me guess... you're butthurt that gay people can get married, the SCOTUS didn't destroy Obamacare, and maybe they stopped conservatives from doing a bunch of unconstitutional BS. Your representatives can pass an amendment to undo all of that. Your time would be better spent bitching at them than whining and moaning about the SCOTUS doing their job.

Why even bother doing that when the supreme court can just neutralize everything it doesn't like?

It can't retard. Checks and balances, the 3 branches.... oh for fucks sake just take my advice about borrowing a history book from a 1st grader. Catch up on your education at least a little bit.

I can't find anything written by anyone in that period that advocated for a system of government where the people have no way to determine what their government should do so stop trying to make the argument that the three branches of government were designed to thwart that.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Go to your local elementary school and ask for a copy of the 1st or 2nd grade history book, so you can find out why the SCOTUS was created in the first place.

It was to preside over cases involving the laws of the united states and the constitution. Those were all written by the people's representatives so it makes sense the same people should have the final say on what the constitution means and doesn't mean.

Guess what, your representatives can pass an amendment to the constitution tomorrow about anything.

Let me guess... you're butthurt that gay people can get married, the SCOTUS didn't destroy Obamacare, and maybe they stopped conservatives from doing a bunch of unconstitutional BS. Your representatives can pass an amendment to undo all of that. Your time would be better spent bitching at them than whining and moaning about the SCOTUS doing their job.

Why even bother doing that when the supreme court can just neutralize everything it doesn't like?

It can't retard. Checks and balances, the 3 branches.... oh for fucks sake just take my advice about borrowing a history book from a 1st grader. Catch up on your education at least a little bit.

In the first grade I learned that this was not a proper sentence:
"It can't retard. Checks and balances, the 3 branches.... oh for fucks sake just take my advice about borrowing a history book from a 1st grader. "

Every single sentence you wrote that is inside of the "quote" bubble above is not a proper sentence. Every. Single. One.

You can't make this shit up folks.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

It was to preside over cases involving the laws of the united states and the constitution. Those were all written by the people's representatives so it makes sense the same people should have the final say on what the constitution means and doesn't mean.

Guess what, your representatives can pass an amendment to the constitution tomorrow about anything.

Let me guess... you're butthurt that gay people can get married, the SCOTUS didn't destroy Obamacare, and maybe they stopped conservatives from doing a bunch of unconstitutional BS. Your representatives can pass an amendment to undo all of that. Your time would be better spent bitching at them than whining and moaning about the SCOTUS doing their job.

Why even bother doing that when the supreme court can just neutralize everything it doesn't like?

It can't retard. Checks and balances, the 3 branches.... oh for fucks sake just take my advice about borrowing a history book from a 1st grader. Catch up on your education at least a little bit.

In the first grade I learned that this was not a proper sentence:
"It can't retard. Checks and balances, the 3 branches.... oh for fucks sake just take my advice about borrowing a history book from a 1st grader. "

Every single sentence you wrote that is inside of the "quote" bubble above is not a proper sentence. Every. Single. One.

You can't make this shit up folks.

Despite the fact that you say 'you can't make this shit up' you still manage to do that.

 

[Syriusly]

I really am not that passionate about the issue of abortion. I don't agree with it but is abortion just as greivious of an offense as murder is in the eyes of the law. I'm not talking about in the eyes of God but in the eyes of the law. The law already has many kinds of rules against the taking of human life all ranging from different types. Manslaugher, Murder 1, Murder 2, etc. etc. if abortion is the taking of human life then should it be treated in the same way as murder 1 or murder 2? Or should it get a different kind of classification all together.

No.

 

[Witchit]

My sentiments exactly:

 

[JoeB131]

I was never really that passionate about it, either. Then I began to study the issue (from both sides). Here's my problem with abortion. It is too much of a "conveinence" for lazy women. The records show that since 1973 (RoeV Wade) there have been 57 million babies aborted. That's an ENTIRE generation of babies that never had a chance. Hitler is credited with 20 million killed.

Yawn. okay, reality check. There were just as many abortions occurring before Roe v. Wade than there were after. The birth rate did NOT drop in 1973. It actually went UP.

Women are going to end unwanted pregnancies no matter what the law is. One only need to look at countries like the Philippines or Romania, which have tried and failed to outlaw abortion.

I read (yesterday, I believe it was) that a young woman received a Life Sentence (no parole) for giving birth to a baby and throwing into the trash bin. The left claims that a woman "should have the right, up to birth" to end the life of the "fetus". This is perhaps the biggest crime against humanity of all - as was proven by Doctor Gosnell - Also sentenced to life without parole.

The only thing the Gosnell case proved is that it sucks to be poor and not white in this country.

Another ruse that the left puts forward is "what about rape and incest"? Well, let's see...57 million abortions - and how many of those were due to "rape or incest"? Probably one half of one percent. I honestly do not know the statistics - but I will bet you a dollar to a donut that the left will say it is 1,000 times higher - which we could expect from them.

Now, you are on to something here. "Rape and Incest" is a red herring. So is "Late Term abortions". The vast majority of abortions performed on women who knew what they were doing, in the first 12 weeks of a pregnancy when the fetus is the size of a dime.

So why do both sides focus on these outlyer cases? Because those are easy to get emotional about.

Finally, there's the left's ruse about "women don't have to resort to back alley abortion doctors" - (1) Tell that to Doctor Gosnell and (2) with the available birth control that is readily available today - there is absolutely no need for abortion clinics whatsoever.

Yes, birth control is available, but not used. I knew a girl once who was from a good christian family, college educated, who had an abortion because she stopped taking her birth control to get her boyfriend to make good on his promise to marry her after three years. He broke up with her instead.

She got an abortion because she didn't want her parents to know she wasn't still a virgin at 22.

A year later, she got back together with this same guy, got knocked up again, and had another abortion.

Yes, it would be wonderful if people showed better judgement in their relationships, their diets, their driving habits, etc. The reality is, they don't.

 

[owebo]

In the eyes of the law no. In the eyes of God yes. Which is why any pro-lifers who have exemptions like for the 'safety of the mother' or 'in case of rape' are full of shit.

There is no mention of abortion in any of the holy books of any religion: Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, nor Shinto.

Not is there any mention of in in the Constitution....what was your point again?

 

[JoeB131]

I proved one thing for damned sure - you liberals have killed 57 million babies since 1973. Jesus you people are actually monsters.

Fetuses still aren't babies, and you are deluded if you think abortion was a think they invented in 1973.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

In the eyes of the law no. In the eyes of God yes. Which is why any pro-lifers who have exemptions like for the 'safety of the mother' or 'in case of rape' are full of shit.

There is no mention of abortion in any of the holy books of any religion: Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, nor Shinto.

Cool but it's certainly not secular people waging the war on abortion.

"Secular". That phrase tickles the shit out of me. And, no one is "waging war" on abortion. I figured this shit out years ago. If liberals love something - you KNOW it is bad. Welcome to the 21st Century.

You sure used a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

I proved one thing for damned sure - you liberals have killed 57 million babies since 1973. Jesus you people are actually monsters.

No, the only thing you’ve proven is you’re a liar, demagogue, and completely ignorant of the law.

And as a fact of law abortion is not ‘murder.’

Rather than lying and whining about abortion, instead do something to bring about its end that comports with the Constitution and its case law.

 

[Timmy]

I love how so many of these anti abortion people are pro death penalty . You have no cred.

Zygotes are not people . They are potential people .

 

[RandallFlagg]

In the eyes of the law no. In the eyes of God yes. Which is why any pro-lifers who have exemptions like for the 'safety of the mother' or 'in case of rape' are full of shit.

There is no mention of abortion in any of the holy books of any religion: Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, nor Shinto.

Cool but it's certainly not secular people waging the war on abortion.

"Secular". That phrase tickles the shit out of me. And, no one is "waging war" on abortion. I figured this shit out years ago. If liberals love something - you KNOW it is bad. Welcome to the 21st Century.

You sure used a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

I proved one thing for damned sure - you liberals have killed 57 million babies since 1973. Jesus you people are actually monsters.

Love the smiley face fallacy, hypocrite.