Is Income Inequality Leading To A Crisis For Capitalism?

Increased inequity results in lower growth and a poorer economy.

You assume inequality when it is an idiotic Marxist class warfare talking point? How liberal of you
No dumbass all the data and logic show that increased inequality results in less economic growth.
Economic Issues 1 -- Growth in East Asia
^The success of the Asian Tigers can be attributed to a good primary education system and low income inequality.

http://www.ijeronline.com/documents/volumes/Vol 2 issue 5/ijer20110205SO(2).pdf
^Regressional statistical models and empirical evidence form several studies conclude that increases in income inequality lower GDP growth. Partly due to an inability for the larger poorer population from being able to invest

Study: Income Inequality Kills Economic Growth | Mother Jones
^Empirical study looking at Asia, and Latin America finds that upticks in income inequality resulted in less GPD growth. This can be partly explained by an increase in debt/speculative economic growth rather than income/demand growth.
^A 10% decrease in inequality results in a 50% longer growth spell

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/sdn/2011/sdn1108.pdf
^IMF Chappeons of austerity conclude that more inequality leads to less sustained growth

^Income inequality also lowers growth because when the very wealthy increase their consumption it’, on goods that are pure luxury instead of goods that increase wellbeing. For example a poor person who sees an influx in income will more likely spend that income on healthcare, healthier food, or other goods that have investment returns, while a rich person is more likely to get jewelry, or private jets.

^Income inequality also lowers growth because when the very wealthy increase their consumption it’, on goods that have productive constraints.
For example a poor person who sees an influx in income is more likely to purchase basic goods like clothes, food, or appliances whose production can be increased easily via more labor harvesting, while a rich person is more likely to buy collectable items, beach front properties, or wines from a special region all goods whose production cannot be increases purely by increases labor or harvesting.

<b> God you are a retard</b>


The forum title is "Is Income Inequality Leading To A Crisis For Capitalism?" Finally, a post of on target intelligence.

You win the grand prize of answering the question.

And it is obvious from reasonable deduction. The compression and decrease of median income has resulted in a complete loss of savings, the increased use of revolving credit to meet basic consumption, and the loss of home owner equity from both paying off credit cards and the collapse of the housing market.

It is now February of 2012. The recession began in December of 2007, four years ago. It bottomed in June of 2008, three and a half years ago. It has bumped along the bottom at an unemployment rate of above 8% for two years.

Home equity is the fundamental capital in capitalism. Small and major businesses in American, during the peak of capitalism, were funded by home ownership. Hard working middle class Americans, recognizing opportunities of all sorts, funded their start up by taking on a second mortgage. Hewlett Packard began in a garage.

In the context of today's economy, there is no capitalism. In today's language, it is American Corporatism. The dominance of a few major national and global oligopolies in every major market has destroyed capitalism in America and the western world.

At the same time, the erosion of income has killed the major economy of the consumer market. The turning point was apparent when HDTV and Blue Ray hit the market. The previous decade of technological improvement moved like lighting. Then the consumer market collapsed. Now, Blue Ray disks sit side by side on the shelves at Block Buster. A decade ago, DVDs did not sit side by side with VCR tapes. Two decades ago, CD's did not sit side by side with records. No sooner did the new technology hit the market that the old technology was washed away by the incoming tide.

Income inequality is not leading to crisis in capitalism. It has already happened.

We surely must realize that we are always behind in our perception of economic conditions. Many economic indicators lag by three months. Indicators that are generated monthly or daily are to volatile to provide a gauge of direction. It takes months for a trend to become apparent. We are always behind in our perception, like a truck driver with a blackened windshield, driving by watching the road in the rear view mirror and watching the road disappear behind him.

The fear of "borrowing from our future" is here already. But the effect isn't what most people imagined. We did not borrow future consumption. We did not borrow future production. The effect is entirely monetary. It is the accumulation of a seventy year systematic imbalance in the underlying process of how our economic system functions. And the end result is that the money, the life blood of the economy, that accounts for the flow of goods and for which goods cannot flow is in a drought. The edge of the river is now walking distance from where the water's edge once met the grassy bank.

The economy has now wound down to it's bare minimum. Growth is not sustainable, even to keep up with the increasing population. The only entrepreneur in the neighborhood around my home in the immigrant who has taken his skills, born of a second world economy, and pushes a cart full of tamales. He is a capitalist and his capital is his cart. But the capitalism of America, the capitalism of 60s and 70s is gone. It disappeared, not with a bang, but slowly dried up and withered away. It simply died of thirst a decade ago and no one noticed. The recession of 2007 was it's last dying gasp.
 
"One of the great contradictions of modern day nation-state socio-economics is how and why capitalists continue getting away with sticking average working people with their mistakes. Capitalists receive fees and interests payments for/on issuance of debt by countries and average working people fund the resulting debt crises, bailing out capitalists&#8230; this is the 'Capitalista Virus.'

"When nation-states crash and burn from excessive debt, neoliberals oversee the austerity plans, a la Ireland, Portugal, and Greece; they (neoliberals) open wide the vistas for private interests to capture public assets whilst workers sweep up the messy streets."

Capitalista Virus » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Capitalism has gone the way of communism, and only a few have noticed so far.
When the other shoe drops, it will be capitalists pushing tamale carts who get the blame.
 
"One of the great contradictions of modern day nation-state socio-economics is how and why capitalists continue getting away with sticking average working people with their mistakes. Capitalists receive fees and interests payments for/on issuance of debt by countries and average working people fund the resulting debt crises, bailing out capitalists… this is the 'Capitalista Virus.'

"When nation-states crash and burn from excessive debt, neoliberals oversee the austerity plans, a la Ireland, Portugal, and Greece; they (neoliberals) open wide the vistas for private interests to capture public assets whilst workers sweep up the messy streets."

Capitalista Virus » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Capitalism has gone the way of communism, and only a few have noticed so far.
When the other shoe drops, it will be capitalists pushing tamale carts who get the blame.

I am confused at the statement "Capitalism has gone the way of communism..." in light of the referenced article. The article makes no reference to or even inference of communism.
 
I believe that this correction was a just another FLEECING by the masters.

I do not think this economy is the end of corporatism or insider capitalism.

If anything it is merely the masters gaining a greater share of everything there is to own.

And it has worked beautifully for them, too.
 
"One of the great contradictions of modern day nation-state socio-economics is how and why capitalists continue getting away with sticking average working people with their mistakes. Capitalists receive fees and interests payments for/on issuance of debt by countries and average working people fund the resulting debt crises, bailing out capitalists… this is the 'Capitalista Virus.'

"When nation-states crash and burn from excessive debt, neoliberals oversee the austerity plans, a la Ireland, Portugal, and Greece; they (neoliberals) open wide the vistas for private interests to capture public assets whilst workers sweep up the messy streets."

Capitalista Virus » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Capitalism has gone the way of communism, and only a few have noticed so far.
When the other shoe drops, it will be capitalists pushing tamale carts who get the blame.

I am confused at the statement "Capitalism has gone the way of communism..." in light of the referenced article. The article makes no reference to or even inference of communism.
I meant to imply capitalism has died in the same way (although not to the same extent) as communism did a generation ago.
 
I believe that this correction was a just another FLEECING by the masters.

I do not think this economy is the end of corporatism or insider capitalism.

If anything it is merely the masters gaining a greater share of everything there is to own.

And it has worked beautifully for them, too.
It's hard for me to escape the conclusion that gangsters have ruled this world since the emergence of the first private fortunes thousands of years ago. Would those initial fortunes lurched into existence without the help of chattel slavery? Maybe some things really do "trickle down?"
 
Anybody who imagines that we are still fighting the cold war against socialism isn't paying attention.

So you're saying that the war between socialism and free markets is a hot war now?

I suppose there is some merit to that....

Not yet, since the soviets penetrated our federal gov long ago. The prop machine from teh commies has been in full swing for decades as they took main hold of the democrats.
The hot war will occur if the dems take the election in november (highly likely) and spend us into a socialist hell. That's wen the civil hot war against these turds will likely begin.
 
gangsters have ruled this world since the emergence of the first private fortunes thousands of years ago. Would those initial fortunes lurched into existence without the help of chattel slavery? Maybe some things really do "trickle down?"

1000 years ago private fortunes were mostly stolen. Today private capitalist fortunes are evidence of ones contribution to society.

Gates didn't get a fortune without first contributing the PC to society.

Ford without first contributing the automobile.

The great beauty of capitalism is that competition drives profits close to $0 so most of the wealth is distributed.
 
What did today's private capitalists contribute to the societies of Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and North Korea that didn't come at the expense of millions of innocent lives?

Gates didn't contribute the PC to society until after society did all the heavy lifting by funding ARPANET. Gates and other parasites piggy-backed their way to Davos on the taxpayer dime.

Ford didn't contribute the first automobile, his workers did.
At least Henry understood the value of paying his worker enough to buy his product.

Capitalism detests competition. Which explains why the most successful capitalists maximize their personal wealth by socializing cost while privatizing profit.
 
Capitalism detests competition.

capitalism is a concept, not a person so it cant detest anything.

If it could somehow detest competition and eliminate it then it would be eliminating itself since it is not capitalism without competiton? See why we are 100% that a liberal will have no brains.
 
What did today's private capitalists contribute to the societies of Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and North Korea that didn't come at the expense of millions of innocent lives?

for example, North Korea is liberal communist not capitalist. Would you like to bet $10,000 or run away admitting that you are a liberal fool? sorry
 
Gates didn't contribute the PC to society until after society did all the heavy lifting by funding ARPANET. Gates and other parasites piggy-backed their way to Davos on the taxpayer dime.

dear, the taxpayer could have paid taxes or used the money to fund Microsoft's next innovation. Do you assume money becomes magical after the government taxes it away and dies in private hands?

THe governemnt is far more likely to produce Solyndras because they have professional bureaucrats spending others peoples money, obviously. In the private sector you spend and lose your own money.
A child can grasp this, just not a liberal.
 
Ford didn't contribute the first automobile, his workers did.
At least Henry understood the value of paying his worker enough to buy his product.

dear, any business will go bankrupt if people cant buy their products. You are perfectly brainwashed. A Rolls will make far less money than a chevy so the lower the price the more you make. GM is far bigger than Rolls. Got it now??
 
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The issue is capitalism versus crony capitalism is what you are comparing your examples to. Crony Capitalism is restrictive, rewards the good old boys with political connections, and serves to hold in check and squash the true open free market. True capitalism actually creates, welcomes, and fosters expansion of the middle class which furthermore provides the progression from middle class to upper class. Crony Capitalism serves to further divide those connected from those that are not, holds the middle class up and comers down, and expands the financial divide between those that have and those that have not, just another way the elitists maintain their social and monetary status and political grip. The democrats and republicans both are at fault for protecting and promoting this facade. Look at who gets the money and legislative help in protecting their fiefdom. The only way to do away with crony capitalism is to remove the governments financial and legislative grip on the market. Look at the past two stimulus and bail out plans.
 
The democrats and republicans both are at fault for protecting and promoting this facade.

how can you blame Republicans when Jefferson, Ron Paul, Newt, Grover Norquist, and the Tea Party are all Republican? Republicans have introduced 30 Balanced Budget Amendments since Jefferson. Mostly you are correct but you really need to rethink that part.
 
The democrats and republicans both are at fault for protecting and promoting this facade.

how can you blame Republicans when Jefferson, Ron Paul, Newt, Grover Norquist, and the Tea Party are all Republican? Republicans have introduced 30 Balanced Budget Amendments since Jefferson. Mostly you are correct but you really need to rethink that part.
Jefferson was not a Republican. He was a Democratic-Republican, a party that bears very little resemblance to the current Republican party. Ron Paul is a libertarian. The Republican establishment hates him.

What happened when the Republicans were in control under bush? More debt. More spending. More war. Patriot act. Medicare part D. No child left behind. All examples of government expansion.

No. Both parties are the problem. It is imperative that every American wakes up to that fact so a real debate can occur.
 
Jefferson was not a Republican.

Republican in 1792 were identical to Republicans today:

WIKI: The Democratic-Republican Party or Republican Party was an American political party founded in the early 1790s by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Political scientists use the former name, even though there is no known use of it in the 1790's, while historians prefer the latter one; contemporaries generally called the party the "Republicans", along with many other names. In a broader sense the party was the concrete realization of Jeffersonian democracy, i.e., continued aggressive opposition to the British monarchy, opposition to monarchy and strong central government in general, celebration of individual freedom and liberty from strong central government, and state's rights.

5th Congress (1797-1799)
Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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6th Congress (1799-1801)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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7th Congress (1801-1803)

Majority Party: Republican (17 seats)

Minority Party: Federalist (15 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Vacant: 2

Total Seats: 34

"Historians do not agree on the details surrounding the origin of Parties. Some believe that Jefferson forged the Republican party from coalition of existing state and local parties"....[in the 1790's].

Page 31, Political Parties in America by Robert Huckshorn( most popular Political Science text on parties in USA.


"Although people were still deeply ambivalent about political parties, although one party did not necessarily recognize the legitimacy of the other, and although men on both sides were nostalgic- at one time or another- for the imaginary golden age of political harmony, few people could be found in the early 1790's who believed the parties did not exist. The parties had names: Federalist and Republican."

- Susan Dunn, Jefferson's Second Revolution.


"In referring to political parties I have adopted the names which the respective parties used in self-designation. Thus the Jeffersonian party has been referred to throughout as the Republican Party. This name came into use early in the 1790's among persons who considered themselves of a common political "interest", and the term "Republican interest" was generally used until it was replaced by the more definite "Republican Party".

The Jeffersonian Republicans( the formation of Party organization (1789-1801) by Noble E. Cunningham,Jr.


-During a conciliatory moment at his Inauguration Jefferson said: "today we are all Republicans, we are all Federalists." (referring to the two majors parties at the time)
We have called by different names brethren of the same principle. We are all Republicans, we are all Federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
- When Jefferson won the election of 1800 the National Gazette headline was, "Complete triumph of Republican firmness over the "obstinacy" of the Aristocrats"! ( what Republicans called big government Federalists)
 
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