Is it ever acceptable to bomb a school or a hospital? (Poll)

[irosie91]

Arabs have been living in tents for centuries. They are used to living outdoors.

You do know that weapon has never been tested, right? We probably don't even have that many. You missed the point. Neutron bombs kill EVERYONE!

there is enough land in the Middle east for both Jews and Arabs

 

[daveman]

A Cheat Sheet for the Da Vinci Code-ification of Mideast Reporting​

Reading news about the Middle East is a skill—and one very much worth acquiring. Once you’ve done so, you can read even the most biased story about Israel and still glean the facts from it.

Israel’s strike on a Hamas command center over the weekend is the perfect story for this activity, and CNN’s report on it works well as an example of the Da Vinci Code-ification of Mideast reporting in America.

“At least 93 Palestinians have been killed in an Israeli strike on a school and mosque in Gaza sheltering displaced people, according to local officials, sparking international outrage,” CNN reported on Saturday, immediately following the strike and well before any of this information could be known by those on the ground let alone confirmed by editors and fact-checkers.

The reported “facts” in that sentence are false. And we know that, believe it or not, by simply reading it.

Was it a school or was it a shelter? No, they’re not mutually exclusive, but in this case we know that it wasn’t a school at all. It was a building that has, in the past, been used as a school. All of Gaza’s schools have been on break since October 7, and there has been no announcement as to when that might change even as we approach the start of the traditional school year.

So that is the first thing to note: All of the accusations of the IDF striking schools are false, by definition. This is important, because later in the piece CNN says: “Saturday’s strike is the fifth on a school in Gaza by the Israeli military since last Sunday, according to CNN’s previous reporting.”

That, too, is false. And that sentence helpfully points out that all of “CNN’s previous reporting” is unreliable.

How many people were actually killed? Although there was no way to know the number at the time CNN reported it, the very fact that CNN used such an exact number—93!—tells you that whoever is feeding CNN those numbers is making them up. Who’s feeding CNN those numbers? “Local officials,” meaning Hamas.

The purpose of this initial 93 number is to fool news organizations into reporting a tally that will soon be revised downward. The initial reporting is the one that will make the rounds and draw outrage and inspire denunciations from foreign ministries around the world. After that, the numbers will often be adjusted so that in the future, when someone objects to relying on Hamas officials for their statistics, Hamas’s defenders will say “ah but you see, they correct their own numbers as soon as more information is available.” This will continue the pattern: After the next strike, Hamas will release fake numbers which will be published by news organizations with the justification that Hamas’s revised numbers are accurate, therefore their initial numbers must also be based on the best information they have at hand at that moment. Lather, rinse, repeat.

So what’s the updated number of casualties? Hamas says 40. After the strike, Israel released a detailed photo dossier of the Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorists killed in the strike—19 of them. That leaves 21 possible civilians and proves that, yes, it was a command center after all and without any doubt a legitimate military target. (Israel also used smaller, more targeted bombs for the strike so it could hit the command center directly.)

Then Israel released another dossier with an additional 12 Hamas officials identified among the deceased. That brings our total number of terrorists killed in the strike to 31. (There is another report claiming that number can be raised all the way to 38, but it’s unclear at the time of writing if the level of detail available can definitively back up that number.)

There are, at most, nine possible civilians among the dead.

So let’s review. We went from 93 killed (“all” of them civilians, according to a source quoted by CNN) in a school and shelter to 31 Hamas officials killed in a targeted strike on a confirmed command center, with anywhere from two to nine possible civilians killed.

Those civilians should be mourned. Any innocent life lost is a tragedy. And now that we know it was a command center, we also know Hamas is to blame for their deaths.

Obviously, it would be much better if the media would report accurate information. But once you understand how these pieces of propaganda are put together, you can disassemble them yourself and construct the reality.

 

[kyzr]

to what entity are you directing your question? The first law of military life is SURVIVE.

Its been a long discussion about bombing schools and hospitals.
The poll says kill as many Gazans as possible if there is any hint of Hamas involvement.

My question is to those who ansewered the poll "yes". Here is the question again:
What else do you propose they do with 2.3m homeless Hamas refugees?

 

[kyzr]

Arabs have been living in tents for centuries. They are used to living outdoors.

You do know that weapon has never been tested, right? We probably don't even have that many. You missed the point. Neutron bombs kill EVERYONE!

1. Ok, so the long term solution to Gaza is tent cities for 2.3m people.

2. It is a weapon in the US arsenal, it works. Bombing schools and hospitals kills everyone too.
I just expanded the kill zone to simplify the outcome. I don't care how many die, I just don't want the US to keep paying for bombs for the IDF then pay for aid to Gaza to rebuild their buildings and tunnels, over, and over, and over...

The US is tapped out. End the US involvement, one way or another.

 

[daveman]

Its been a long discussion about bombing schools and hospitals.
The poll says kill as many Gazans as possible if there is any hint of Hamas involvement.

My question is to those who ansewered the poll "yes". Here is the question again:
What else do you propose they do with 2.3m homeless Hamas refugees?

The other Arab states could take them...but they refuse to.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

1. Ok, so the long term solution to Gaza is tent cities for 2.3m people.

2. It is a weapon in the US arsenal, it works. Bombing schools and hospitals kills everyone too.
I just expanded the kill zone to simplify the outcome. I don't care how many die, I just don't want the US to keep paying for bombs for the IDF then pay for aid to Gaza to rebuild their buildings and tunnels, over, and over, and over...

The US is tapped out. End the US involvement, one way or another.

Then you better vote Republican because the Dems will pay for Hamas to rebuild, as they have always done.

 

[Esdraelon]

We used that as an excuse to bomb a hospital in Afghanistan. There was no "enemy combatants" in the hospital.

It's an excuse to create an act of terrorism to bomb a school or hospital.

Well, except for the FACT that evidence showed those locations WERE being used for military purposes. The laws of war allow such targeting in those specific situations.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You’re uninformed. Russia was provoked. Obviously. The Palestinians have been treated horribly for decades and imprisoned in Gaza. So, their actions on 10/7 opposing their oppressor is understandable, but killing civilians is never acceptable. It’s a war crime.

Unfortunately dumb Americans have been conditioned to believe civilians die in war, so it’s accepted.

GET INFORMED.

SHUT OFF THE TEEVEE.

The murders and kidnappings were staged! It was a joint operation by the United States and Israel. Why don't these dupes get it?!

ALLAHU AKBAR!

And, "FREE PALESTINE"!

Gullible idiots!

 

[Esdraelon]

So you are gonna stoop to the bad guys level.

Then who's left to be the good guys?

By that logic, all the good guys will simply be surrendering to the evil that wants them all dead. Get back to us when YOUR loved ones are the targets in that scenario.

 

[daveman]

You’re uninformed. Russia was provoked. Obviously. The Palestinians have been treated horribly for decades and imprisoned in Gaza. So, their actions on 10/7 opposing their oppressor is understandable, but killing civilians is never acceptable. It’s a war crime.

Unless the civilians are Jews, of course. Right?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

And much of Day 1 OCT07 was caught on camera. AND the Enemy recorded torture and rape to send to victims family members. //

Never happened. It was all staged by Israel alone with the United States. The Joooos are all ov r our government so we do the bidding of our zionist masters. The peaceful Palestinians have been warning us for decades, but we never listen.

ALLAHU AKBAR!

Free Palestine!

 

[daveman]

Suppose there are no active shooters in the school or hospital, but they are used as entrances to tunnels?
2,000# bomb ?
Ground forces?

Flood them with pig shit.

 

[daveman]

What about the children? They're innocent.

And forced to be in targeted facilities by Hamas...which is a war crime.

 

[daveman]

What about human lives?

Worthless to Hamas except for PR value when Hamas can stand on a pile of bodies to manipulate Jew-hating morons.