Is thinking a race is superior, racist?

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

No matter how you excuse it to yourself, you're a lazy whiner. And I'm already over the "way you present yourself". I was over it from the first time I said, "No proof? Full of shit", and promptly relegated you to "gives everyone else a bad name."

For the record, people don't look down on you because of race; they do it because they actually met you.

No matter how much crying you do about this, you were still wrong. You want this officially adjudicated?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

No the problem is you make comments with no examples. If she's making assertions with no proof, provide the proof since you're miss bad ass old white woman..

I have provided them with proof in the form of a hyperlink showing that the SCOTUS ruled in 2015 that institutional racism still exists TODAY under the Title VII disparate impact theory, one of the same theories that had Correll all bent out of shape when it came to the white firemen case:
Supreme Court: Institutional Racism Is Real

The reason for her hissy fit is because she and TNHarley kept mockingly asking "but what discriminatory laws are there TODAY" because they were convinced that since all legal discriminatory laws were overturned by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Act of 1965 that there didn't exist any "proof" of continuing institutional racism in 2018, that the passage of the law means it no longer exists. The SCOTUS ruling I cited above drives a stake through their assertion so now Cecilie is trying to pretend that she never claimed that it didn't exist only that I hadn't provided any proof that it did, in spite of all of the posts I dedicated to attempting to explain to TNHarley how the passage of the our civil rights laws have not dismantled the institution.

Cecilie1200 is a classic example of what I was explaining to you all about how some indivdiuals cannot accept that they were mistaken about something no matter how small and will fabricate a lie from whole cloth even when what they now claim is easily contradicted by earlier documenation as can be read here in this thread. And of course the derogatory and false personal attacks because she's been forced to concede the point.

 

[katsteve2012]

I ask because IM2 asslips and paul E always make out whites to be extremely superior to blacks.
Can you hate a race(because they obviously hate whites) for being superior and not be racist? Seems possible.
I mean, its kinda a compliment..

Not necessarily. They do not appear to believe that whites as a race of people are superior to other races, nor do they hate the race as a whole.

What they have stated is that whites have constructed a system based on them being the majority that benefits them the most. JMO.

HYow does our system benefit one race over the other?

It is a documted fact that up until the civil rights movement and subsequent legislative action from it, that minorities and women were not considered to be equal.

Obviously things did not just change overnight.

Some suffered generational poverty because of it and some of those who were considered by law to be superior acquired generational wealth.

That's common knowledge.....in the minds of most.

How does our CURRENT system benefit one race over the other?
CURRENT
CURRENT

"CURRENTLY"? Do you understand that
residual effect from slightly more than 2 generations ago still impacts some people?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

"CURRENTLY"? Do you understand that
residual effect from slightly more than 2 generations ago still impacts some people?

They appear to be feigning ignorance at this point.

 

[TNHarley]

I ask because IM2 asslips and paul E always make out whites to be extremely superior to blacks.
Can you hate a race(because they obviously hate whites) for being superior and not be racist? Seems possible.
I mean, its kinda a compliment..

Not necessarily. They do not appear to believe that whites as a race of people are superior to other races, nor do they hate the race as a whole.

What they have stated is that whites have constructed a system based on them being the majority that benefits them the most. JMO.

HYow does our system benefit one race over the other?

It is a documted fact that up until the civil rights movement and subsequent legislative action from it, that minorities and women were not considered to be equal.

Obviously things did not just change overnight.

Some suffered generational poverty because of it and some of those who were considered by law to be superior acquired generational wealth.

That's common knowledge.....in the minds of most.

How does our CURRENT system benefit one race over the other?
CURRENT
CURRENT

"CURRENTLY"? Do you understand that
residual effect from slightly more than 2 generations ago still impacts some people?

How does laws and policies that dont exist anymore still oppress people? I mean, goddamn dude.. seriously?

 

[katsteve2012]

Not necessarily. They do not appear to believe that whites as a race of people are superior to other races, nor do they hate the race as a whole.

What they have stated is that whites have constructed a system based on them being the majority that benefits them the most. JMO.

HYow does our system benefit one race over the other?

It is a documted fact that up until the civil rights movement and subsequent legislative action from it, that minorities and women were not considered to be equal.

Obviously things did not just change overnight.

Some suffered generational poverty because of it and some of those who were considered by law to be superior acquired generational wealth.

That's common knowledge.....in the minds of most.

How does our CURRENT system benefit one race over the other?
CURRENT
CURRENT

"CURRENTLY"? Do you understand that
residual effect from slightly more than 2 generations ago still impacts some people?

How does laws and policies that dont exist anymore still oppress people? I mean, goddamn dude.. seriously?

Yes. "Seriously". I didn't say that the same laws :still oppress people but the residual effect is still felt by many who were living during the Jim Crow era.

Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Richard Davis: The effects of past racial discrimination still influence Americans today

 

[TNHarley]

HYow does our system benefit one race over the other?

It is a documted fact that up until the civil rights movement and subsequent legislative action from it, that minorities and women were not considered to be equal.

Obviously things did not just change overnight.

Some suffered generational poverty because of it and some of those who were considered by law to be superior acquired generational wealth.

That's common knowledge.....in the minds of most.

How does our CURRENT system benefit one race over the other?
CURRENT
CURRENT

"CURRENTLY"? Do you understand that
residual effect from slightly more than 2 generations ago still impacts some people?

How does laws and policies that dont exist anymore still oppress people? I mean, goddamn dude.. seriously?

Seriously?
Richard Davis: The effects of past racial discrimination still influence Americans today

They might be influential(depending on the individual as it is self induced emotion), but that has nothing to do with the system oppressing people of color.
45 fucking pages and you guys dont even know wtf systematic oppression is yet..

 

[Cecilie1200]

No matter how you excuse it to yourself, you're a lazy whiner. And I'm already over the "way you present yourself". I was over it from the first time I said, "No proof? Full of shit", and promptly relegated you to "gives everyone else a bad name."

For the record, people don't look down on you because of race; they do it because they actually met you.

You are just too dumb to deal with her.

Yeah, the problem is her wily, nuanced "brilliance" at making assertions with no substantiation. That MUST be it.

No the problem is you make comments with no examples. If she's making assertions with no proof, provide the proof since you're miss bad ass old white woman..

Take your lazy, demand-issuing ignorant ass back to the post where I told her to prove it, moron. Intelligent people call that a "clue". I have no idea about spoiled, lazy race hustlers like you.

So you can't provide the proof that there is no systemic racism. She doesn't have to prove that. Everyone knows it exists except you and Harley apparently. So go educate yourself dunce..

"So you can't prove a negative. It's not our job to prove our assertions, it's YOUR job to prove we're wrong, and if you don't, that means we WIN!!"

Why am i wholly unsurprised that the only way you can ever "win" anything is by sitting on your fat, sniveling victim ass and declaring your very laziness to be a triumph?

 

[Asclepias]

"CURRENTLY"? Do you understand that
residual effect from slightly more than 2 generations ago still impacts some people?

They appear to be feigning ignorance at this point.

I thought so too at first. I am now starting to believe they lack the intellect to understand cause and effect. This limits what you can discuss with them because some subjects are obviously too complex for them even if they appear simple to us.

 

[IM2]

No the problem is you make comments with no examples. If she's making assertions with no proof, provide the proof since you're miss bad ass old white woman..

I have provided them with proof in the form of a hyperlink showing that the SCOTUS ruled in 2015 that institutional racism still exists TODAY under the Title VII disparate impact theory, one of the same theories that had Correll all bent out of shape when it came to the white firemen case:
Supreme Court: Institutional Racism Is Real

The reason for her hissy fit is because she and TNHarley kept mockingly asking "but what discriminatory laws are there TODAY" because they were convinced that since all legal discriminatory laws were overturned by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Act of 1965 that there didn't exist any "proof" of continuing institutional racism in 2018, that the passage of the law means it no longer exists. The SCOTUS ruling I cited above drives a stake through their assertion so now Cecilie is trying to pretend that she never claimed that it didn't exist only that I hadn't provided any proof that it did, in spite of all of the posts I dedicated to attempting to explain to TNHarley how the passage of the our civil rights laws have not dismantled the institution.

Cecilie1200 is a classic example of what I was explaining to you all about how some indivdiuals cannot accept that they were mistaken about something no matter how small and will fabricate a lie from whole cloth even when what they now claim is easily contradicted by earlier documenation as can be read here in this thread. And of course the derogatory and false personal attacks because she's been forced to concede the point.

I read that post, It's all they have. They are so dumb that to them unless they can't see a no coloreds sign what we say doesn't exist. It's either that or a willful denial of truth.

 

[IM2]

White Racial Resentment Before, During Obama Years
by Robert Bird and Frank Newport

What impact did the first African-American U.S. president, Barack Obama, have on racial attitudes in the U.S.? Did race relations improve, stay the same or get worse during his administration -- the last perhaps as a result of a "backlash" effect among racially resentful whites?

Our recent analysis of several indicators of racial resentment before and during the Obama administration provides evidence that racial resentment decreased among the majority of white Americans during Obama's presidency. Republicans were the only political group who did not decrease in racial resentment -- but they did not increase significantly either.

The challenge in addressing the issue of Obama's effect on racial attitudes is finding questions that have been asked consistently enough to provide a suitable measure before and during his years as president. Fortunately, Gallup has data from its ongoing and frequently updated Minority Rights and Relations poll that can help meet that need.

Our review found eight questions that were asked in 2004 and 2007 -- before Obama -- and then again in 2015 and 2016 -- during the Obama years. These questions, combined, provide what we believe is a reasonable measure of racial resentment. Analyzing responses from the two earlier surveys and comparing those with the responses from the two later surveys provides the needed divide between pre-Obama and Obama-era attitudes.

The questions are as follows:

1. In general, do you think that blacks have as good a chance as whites in your community to get any kind of job for which they are qualified, or don't you think they have as good a chance?
2. In general, do you think that black children have as good a chance as white children in your community to get a good education, or don't you think they have as good a chance?
3. Again, in general, do you think that blacks have as good a chance as whites in your community to get any housing they can afford, or don't you think they have as good a chance?
4. Just your impression, are blacks in your community treated less fairly than whites in the following situations?
   • On the job/At work
   • In neighborhood shops
   • In stores downtown/In the shopping mall
   • In restaurants/bars/theaters/other entertainment places
   • In dealing with the police, such as traffic incidents

We looked only at respondents who identified their race as white. The racially resentful answer to each question is the one where the respondent does not believe blacks are treated unfairly and/or that they do have equal opportunities. The interpretation of these responses as racially resentful derives from other scholarly research in this area. Whites who say that blacks have as good a chance as whites to get jobs, schooling and housing, and who think blacks are treated just as fairly as whites across the list of five situations are racially unsympathetic. If racial resentment rose during the Obama years, the assumption is that whites would have become less sympathetic about blacks' situation in American society -- or, in other words, more racially resentful.

The analysis uses the mean of the eight items to construct a racial resentment scale that gives a score to each respondent. The top overall score of "1" means the person answered in the unsympathetic, resentful direction on all eight questions, and "0" means they answered all eight in the other direction.

As noted, we split the data into two groups. The first group contains data from 2004 and 2007. The second group contains data from 2015 and 2016.

Overall, white racial resentment decreased significantly from the years before Obama took office compared with the final two years of his administration. The index fell from .82 in 2004 and 2007 to .75 in 2015 and 2016, a statistically significant change.

Racial Resentment Drops in Later Obama Years
Racial Resentment Index*
Pre-Obama (2004, 2007) .82
During Obama presidency (2015, 2016) .75
*Based on an average across eight questions, where "1" is highest score and "0" is lowest
Gallup
This same pattern -- the drop in the index between the two periods -- is evident among most subgroups. Racial resentment -- based on our measure -- decreased during the Obama years for both genders, across education levels, across all age groups, among those who are married and those who are not, among those working and not working, and in every geographic region.

The only political group whose members did not decrease in racial resentment between the two time periods are Republicans.

Racial Resentment Drops Among Independents and Democrats, but Not Among Republicans
Racial Resentment Index*
Republicans Independents Democrats
Pre-Obama (2004, 2007) .87 .86 .75
During Obama presidency (2015, 2016) .87 .77 .62
*Based on an average across eight questions, where "1" is highest score and "0" is lowest
Gallup

The differences between the two periods by party identification are statistically significant and important.

• Republicans are generally the most racially resentful; Democrats are the least.
• The decrease in racial resentment among Democrats is statistically significant.
• Independents also showed a decrease in racial resentment, and this decrease is marginally significant.
• Republicans did not show a statistically significant change.

All in all, our analyses suggest that based on the specific attitudinal indicators used in this analysis, racial resentment for the U.S. population as a whole diminished during the Obama years compared with the time before he took office. The racial resentment measure didn't become more positive among all groups, however. Republicans' attitudes didn't become worse but didn't improve either, while independents' and Democrats' attitudes did improve. This means that on a relative basis, the partisan gap on this measure of racial resentment expanded during the Obama years.

White Racial Resentment Before, During Obama Years

A .7 decrease should not be considered significant, but whites did this study.

 

[IM2]

You are just too dumb to deal with her.

Yeah, the problem is her wily, nuanced "brilliance" at making assertions with no substantiation. That MUST be it.

No the problem is you make comments with no examples. If she's making assertions with no proof, provide the proof since you're miss bad ass old white woman..

Take your lazy, demand-issuing ignorant ass back to the post where I told her to prove it, moron. Intelligent people call that a "clue". I have no idea about spoiled, lazy race hustlers like you.

So you can't provide the proof that there is no systemic racism. She doesn't have to prove that. Everyone knows it exists except you and Harley apparently. So go educate yourself dunce..

"So you can't prove a negative. It's not our job to prove our assertions, it's YOUR job to prove we're wrong, and if you don't, that means we WIN!!"

Why am i wholly unsurprised that the only way you can ever "win" anything is by sitting on your fat, sniveling victim ass and declaring your very laziness to be a triumph?

You were shown CASES and you still are asking for proof. And it's because:

 

[IM2]

It is a documted fact that up until the civil rights movement and subsequent legislative action from it, that minorities and women were not considered to be equal.

Obviously things did not just change overnight.

Some suffered generational poverty because of it and some of those who were considered by law to be superior acquired generational wealth.

That's common knowledge.....in the minds of most.

How does our CURRENT system benefit one race over the other?
CURRENT
CURRENT

"CURRENTLY"? Do you understand that
residual effect from slightly more than 2 generations ago still impacts some people?

How does laws and policies that dont exist anymore still oppress people? I mean, goddamn dude.. seriously?

Seriously?
Richard Davis: The effects of past racial discrimination still influence Americans today

They might be influential(depending on the individual as it is self induced emotion), but that has nothing to do with the system oppressing people of color.
45 fucking pages and you guys dont even know wtf systematic oppression is yet..

We know what it is, you are the one with the problem.

 

[TNHarley]

How does our CURRENT system benefit one race over the other?
CURRENT
CURRENT

"CURRENTLY"? Do you understand that
residual effect from slightly more than 2 generations ago still impacts some people?

How does laws and policies that dont exist anymore still oppress people? I mean, goddamn dude.. seriously?

Seriously?
Richard Davis: The effects of past racial discrimination still influence Americans today

They might be influential(depending on the individual as it is self induced emotion), but that has nothing to do with the system oppressing people of color.
45 fucking pages and you guys dont even know wtf systematic oppression is yet..

We know what it is, you are the one with the problem.

Evidently not! Not one of you have posted anything relevant to back up your bullshit. Not ONE relevant thing.

 

[IM2]

"CURRENTLY"? Do you understand that
residual effect from slightly more than 2 generations ago still impacts some people?

How does laws and policies that dont exist anymore still oppress people? I mean, goddamn dude.. seriously?

Seriously?
Richard Davis: The effects of past racial discrimination still influence Americans today

They might be influential(depending on the individual as it is self induced emotion), but that has nothing to do with the system oppressing people of color.
45 fucking pages and you guys dont even know wtf systematic oppression is yet..

We know what it is, you are the one with the problem.

Evidently not! Not one of you have posted anything relevant to back up your bullshit. Not ONE relevant thing.

Before I talk about you being stupid as hell, just what exactly do you think systemic racism is? I mean what are you looking for, a law that specifically says blacks can't work here? Are you that damn dumb you actually think because that is not a law that it is not done? You know that it is. You've probably have done it yourself. So why are you asking for proof? This gaslighting shit you whites play here tests the patience. Then you start crying when you get cussed out. You want a civil conversation, cut the fucking bullshit. Your punk ass says there is no such thing, then prove it. How about we do that? Because you've be shown plenty and what has been said was backed more than sufficiently.

 

[TNHarley]

How does laws and policies that dont exist anymore still oppress people? I mean, goddamn dude.. seriously?

Seriously?
Richard Davis: The effects of past racial discrimination still influence Americans today

They might be influential(depending on the individual as it is self induced emotion), but that has nothing to do with the system oppressing people of color.
45 fucking pages and you guys dont even know wtf systematic oppression is yet..

We know what it is, you are the one with the problem.

Evidently not! Not one of you have posted anything relevant to back up your bullshit. Not ONE relevant thing.

Before I talk about you being stupid as hell, just what exactly do you think systemic racism is? I mean what are you looking for, a law that specifically says blacks can't work here? Are you that damn dumb you actually think because that is not a law that it is not done? You know that it is. You've probably have done it yourself. So why are you asking for proof? This gaslighting shit you whites play here tests the patience. Then you start crying when you get cussed out. You want a civil conversation, cut the fucking bullshit. Your punk ass says there is no such thing, then prove it. How about we do that? Because you've be shown plenty and what has been said was backed more than sufficiently.

If the system doesnt oppress, but individuals do, then how is it systematic oppression?
Please explain how that makes sense to anyone besides complete retards.
You are claiming it exists, so why dont you back your own shit up? 46 pages in, and NOTHING.
Stop being a whiny little kunt and put up.

 

[TNHarley]

BTW, girls not getting jobs because of their greasy hair isnt systematic oppression you retarded loons.

 

[IM2]

Seriously?
Richard Davis: The effects of past racial discrimination still influence Americans today

They might be influential(depending on the individual as it is self induced emotion), but that has nothing to do with the system oppressing people of color.
45 fucking pages and you guys dont even know wtf systematic oppression is yet..

We know what it is, you are the one with the problem.

Evidently not! Not one of you have posted anything relevant to back up your bullshit. Not ONE relevant thing.

Before I talk about you being stupid as hell, just what exactly do you think systemic racism is? I mean what are you looking for, a law that specifically says blacks can't work here? Are you that damn dumb you actually think because that is not a law that it is not done? You know that it is. You've probably have done it yourself. So why are you asking for proof? This gaslighting shit you whites play here tests the patience. Then you start crying when you get cussed out. You want a civil conversation, cut the fucking bullshit. Your punk ass says there is no such thing, then prove it. How about we do that? Because you've be shown plenty and what has been said was backed more than sufficiently.

If the system doesnt oppress, but individuals do, then how is it systematic oppression?
Please explain how that makes sense to anyone besides complete retards.
You are claiming it exists, so why dont you back your own shit up? 46 pages in, and NOTHING.
Stop being a whiny little kunt and put up.

Show us how the system doesn't oppress.

Or.

STFU.

 

[IM2]

BTW, girls not getting jobs because of their greasy hair isnt systematic oppression you retarded loons.

More dumb whiteness.

 

[TNHarley]

They might be influential(depending on the individual as it is self induced emotion), but that has nothing to do with the system oppressing people of color.
45 fucking pages and you guys dont even know wtf systematic oppression is yet..

We know what it is, you are the one with the problem.

Evidently not! Not one of you have posted anything relevant to back up your bullshit. Not ONE relevant thing.

Before I talk about you being stupid as hell, just what exactly do you think systemic racism is? I mean what are you looking for, a law that specifically says blacks can't work here? Are you that damn dumb you actually think because that is not a law that it is not done? You know that it is. You've probably have done it yourself. So why are you asking for proof? This gaslighting shit you whites play here tests the patience. Then you start crying when you get cussed out. You want a civil conversation, cut the fucking bullshit. Your punk ass says there is no such thing, then prove it. How about we do that? Because you've be shown plenty and what has been said was backed more than sufficiently.

If the system doesnt oppress, but individuals do, then how is it systematic oppression?
Please explain how that makes sense to anyone besides complete retards.
You are claiming it exists, so why dont you back your own shit up? 46 pages in, and NOTHING.
Stop being a whiny little kunt and put up.

Show us how the system doesn't oppress.

Or.

STFU.

You claim it does and fail to prove it 20 times so you switch to me proving it doesnt?
How do i do that? Post every law and policy in the country?
Dumbfuck