Israel passes controversial law on West Bank settlements

[fanger]

Israel has passed a controversial law retroactively legalising 3,800 settler homes built on private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.


More than 600,000 Jews live in about 140 settlements built since Israel's 1967 occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem - land the Palestinians claim for a future state. The settlements are considered illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.

Palestinians say the new legislation negates peace and their chances of creating a state. However, its passage could be largely symbolic. Already Israel's attorney general has said the law is unconstitutional and that he will not defend it in the Supreme Court.

Opposition leader Yitzhak Herzog denounced the measure as "an acute danger to Israel" which could lead to prosecution at the International Criminal Court (ICC) at The Hague.

The ICC is currently examining whether Israeli settlements should be subject to a full investigation.

A minister from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party championed the vote as a demonstration of "the connection between the Jewish people and its land. This whole land is ours. All of it."
Israel passes controversial law on West Bank settlements - BBC News
Pride goes before a fall

 

[fncceo]

private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.

There is no private Palestinian land in the West Bank. The PA has yet to negotiate any borders with Israel for a future Palestinian State. The previous owners of that land were Jordan who, in 1981, adjugated all rights to that land.

 

[Bleipriester]

private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.

There is no private Palestinian land in the West Bank. The PA has yet to negotiate any borders with Israel for a future Palestinian State. The previous owners of that land were Jordan who, in 1981, adjugated all rights to that land.

So the Palestinians refuse to negotiate?

 

[montelatici]

private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.

There is no private Palestinian land in the West Bank. The PA has yet to negotiate any borders with Israel for a future Palestinian State. The previous owners of that land were Jordan who, in 1981, adjugated all rights to that land.

Private, as opposed to public land, is owned by individuals, not states. Israel, as always, has stolen land from its non-Jewish owners.

 

[MJB12741]

private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.

There is no private Palestinian land in the West Bank. The PA has yet to negotiate any borders with Israel for a future Palestinian State. The previous owners of that land were Jordan who, in 1981, adjugated all rights to that land.

Yes. And what a wise move it was for Jordan to dump their Palestinians on Israel to deal with.

 

[Coyote]

Israel Passes Law Retroactively Legalizing Settler Homes On Palestinian Land

The U.N. says settlements on land annexed by Israel nearly 50 years ago are illegal under international law. Some settlements in the West Bank were built with prior Israeli government approval; the homes in question in this law were built in illegal outposts on Palestinian land.

According to the Knesset, the Palestinian landowners would be forced to accept compensation, either financially or in the form of "alternate plots."

...Israel's own attorney general, Avichai Mandelblit, has called the law unconstitutional and said he "will not defend it in the Supreme Court," according to the BBC.

U.N. Mideast envoy Nickolay Mladenov said it "opens the floodgates to the potential annexation of the West Bank," according to the AP. "It will have a drastic legal consequence for Israeli and for the nature of its democracy," he said. "It crosses a very, very thick red line."​

 

[ForeverYoung436]

private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.

There is no private Palestinian land in the West Bank. The PA has yet to negotiate any borders with Israel for a future Palestinian State. The previous owners of that land were Jordan who, in 1981, adjugated all rights to that land.

Jordan relinquished rights to the West Bank in 1988.

 

[Coyote]

It's interesting that such a small group of people can exert such enormous political pressure. This article makes two interesting points - one, what it means in regards to Israel as a democratic nation, and the other - that Netanyahu knows it will be struck down, but is doing it satisfy that portion of his political constituancy by blaming it on the judges.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/06/...ttlement-law-palestinians-west-bank.html?_r=0

Only a few months ago, the law was believed to have little chance of coming up for a vote. Even Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was flying back from a meeting with Britain’s leaders as the law was being debated, seemed to oppose its passage for fear of further international censure.


The bill had been so contentious that the nation’s attorney general, who described it as unconstitutional and in contravention of international law, said he would not defend it in the high court, which seemed in any case likely to nullify it.

That is partly because the law applies to Palestinians and their property rights. Since Palestinians in the occupied West Bank are not Israeli citizens and cannot vote for candidates for Israel’s Parliament, or Knesset, critics of the legislation say it is inherently anti-democratic. Under the law, Palestinian landowners will be offered compensation for the long-term use of their property but will not be able to reclaim it.

But the bill gained internal momentum through several forces: Mr. Netanyahu is determined to show his support to the powerful settler movement, and is under pressure from hard-liners on the right and from corruption investigations that even his supporters say appear serious. That pressure intensified last week after Mr. Netanyahu’s government carried out a court order to evacuate about 40 settler families at the Amona outpost, declared illegal a decade ago.​

 

[member]

private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.

There is no private Palestinian land in the West Bank. The PA has yet to negotiate any borders with Israel for a future Palestinian State. The previous owners of that land were Jordan who, in 1981, adjugated all rights to that land.

Yes. And what a wise move it was for Jordan to dump their Palestinians on Israel to deal with.

Palestinians…they got it made where the are. Even the leaders.

​

 

[Lipush]

Finally we can say they worth their money. Congrats on the Hasdara law.

 

[montelatici]

private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.

There is no private Palestinian land in the West Bank. The PA has yet to negotiate any borders with Israel for a future Palestinian State. The previous owners of that land were Jordan who, in 1981, adjugated all rights to that land.

Yes. And what a wise move it was for Jordan to dump their Palestinians on Israel to deal with.

Palestinians…they got it made where the are. Even the leaders.

​

They really got it made.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Israel has passed a controversial law retroactively legalising 3,800 settler homes built on private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.


More than 600,000 Jews live in about 140 settlements built since Israel's 1967 occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem - land the Palestinians claim for a future state. The settlements are considered illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.

Palestinians say the new legislation negates peace and their chances of creating a state. However, its passage could be largely symbolic. Already Israel's attorney general has said the law is unconstitutional and that he will not defend it in the Supreme Court.

Opposition leader Yitzhak Herzog denounced the measure as "an acute danger to Israel" which could lead to prosecution at the International Criminal Court (ICC) at The Hague.

The ICC is currently examining whether Israeli settlements should be subject to a full investigation.

A minister from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party championed the vote as a demonstration of "the connection between the Jewish people and its land. This whole land is ours. All of it."
Israel passes controversial law on West Bank settlements - BBC News
Pride goes before a fall

"The Regulation Law passed its final reading in the Knesset by a majority of 60 to 52.

The law legalizes and protects thousands of Jewish homes in Judea and Samaria which were built with government backing and lacked absentee land claims, but against which there are now property claims.

Under the Regulation Law, homes built on such properties will be allowed to remain, and owners with proven claims to the land will be given a choice of receiving an alternate plot of land or monetary compensation for 125% of their land's value.

Very few actual land owners have filed such claims in the courts, with most of the suits filed by leftist organizations, as Israeli courts do not limit suits to those who have a direct connection to the issue in dispute. Israel allowed Jordanian land laws to remain binding in Judea and Samaria. According to Jordanian law, the fact that property taxes have not been paid on the lands since 1967, or that the claimants have not used the land in any way, do not affect ownership."

Regulation Law passes final reading in Knesset

In terms of personal property rights the law is fair and just and in terms of conflicting political claims, it recognizes what we all know is true: there is no alternative to the status quo in the foreseeable future and that the present state of things can no longer reasonably be referred to as an "occupation". This is disputed land being administered by Israel and in the absence of good faith negotiations between Israel and a capable and credible Palestinian representative, all disputes will have to be resolved by Israel, including by Israeli courts, and therefore no resolutions or international laws that refer to occupation or Palestinian land, other than in terms of personal property rights, are applicable. Should the High Court strike this law down because of some international law that deems it "occupied territory" or "Palestinian land or territory" the Basic Law must be amended to forbid any part of the government, including the High Court, to recognize the applicability of any international law or resolution that does not recognize the land as only disputed land.

 

[montelatici]

Israel has passed a controversial law retroactively legalising 3,800 settler homes built on private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.


More than 600,000 Jews live in about 140 settlements built since Israel's 1967 occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem - land the Palestinians claim for a future state. The settlements are considered illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.

Palestinians say the new legislation negates peace and their chances of creating a state. However, its passage could be largely symbolic. Already Israel's attorney general has said the law is unconstitutional and that he will not defend it in the Supreme Court.

Opposition leader Yitzhak Herzog denounced the measure as "an acute danger to Israel" which could lead to prosecution at the International Criminal Court (ICC) at The Hague.

The ICC is currently examining whether Israeli settlements should be subject to a full investigation.

A minister from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party championed the vote as a demonstration of "the connection between the Jewish people and its land. This whole land is ours. All of it."
Israel passes controversial law on West Bank settlements - BBC News
Pride goes before a fall

"The Regulation Law passed its final reading in the Knesset by a majority of 60 to 52.

The law legalizes and protects thousands of Jewish homes in Judea and Samaria which were built with government backing and lacked absentee land claims, but against which there are now property claims.

Under the Regulation Law, homes built on such properties will be allowed to remain, and owners with proven claims to the land will be given a choice of receiving an alternate plot of land or monetary compensation for 125% of their land's value.

Very few actual land owners have filed such claims in the courts, with most of the suits filed by leftist organizations, as Israeli courts do not limit suits to those who have a direct connection to the issue in dispute. Israel allowed Jordanian land laws to remain binding in Judea and Samaria. According to Jordanian law, the fact that property taxes have not been paid on the lands since 1967, or that the claimants have not used the land in any way, do not affect ownership."

Regulation Law passes final reading in Knesset

In terms of personal property rights the law is fair and just and in terms of conflicting political claims, it recognizes what we all know is true: there is no alternative to the status quo in the foreseeable future and that the present state of things can no longer reasonably be referred to as an "occupation". This is disputed land being administered by Israel and in the absence of good faith negotiations between Israel and a capable and credible Palestinian representative, all disputes will have to be resolved by Israel, including by Israeli courts, and therefore no resolutions or international laws that refer to occupation or Palestinian land, other than in terms of personal property rights, are applicable. Should the High Court strike this law down because of some international law that deems it "occupied territory" or "Palestinian land or territory" the Basic Law must be amended to forbid any part of the government, including the High Court, to recognize the applicability of any international law or resolution that does not recognize the land as only disputed land.

The Apartheid state strikes again.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Israel has passed a controversial law retroactively legalising 3,800 settler homes built on private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.


More than 600,000 Jews live in about 140 settlements built since Israel's 1967 occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem - land the Palestinians claim for a future state. The settlements are considered illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.

Palestinians say the new legislation negates peace and their chances of creating a state. However, its passage could be largely symbolic. Already Israel's attorney general has said the law is unconstitutional and that he will not defend it in the Supreme Court.

Opposition leader Yitzhak Herzog denounced the measure as "an acute danger to Israel" which could lead to prosecution at the International Criminal Court (ICC) at The Hague.

The ICC is currently examining whether Israeli settlements should be subject to a full investigation.

A minister from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party championed the vote as a demonstration of "the connection between the Jewish people and its land. This whole land is ours. All of it."
Israel passes controversial law on West Bank settlements - BBC News
Pride goes before a fall

"The Regulation Law passed its final reading in the Knesset by a majority of 60 to 52.

The law legalizes and protects thousands of Jewish homes in Judea and Samaria which were built with government backing and lacked absentee land claims, but against which there are now property claims.

Under the Regulation Law, homes built on such properties will be allowed to remain, and owners with proven claims to the land will be given a choice of receiving an alternate plot of land or monetary compensation for 125% of their land's value.

Very few actual land owners have filed such claims in the courts, with most of the suits filed by leftist organizations, as Israeli courts do not limit suits to those who have a direct connection to the issue in dispute. Israel allowed Jordanian land laws to remain binding in Judea and Samaria. According to Jordanian law, the fact that property taxes have not been paid on the lands since 1967, or that the claimants have not used the land in any way, do not affect ownership."

Regulation Law passes final reading in Knesset

In terms of personal property rights the law is fair and just and in terms of conflicting political claims, it recognizes what we all know is true: there is no alternative to the status quo in the foreseeable future and that the present state of things can no longer reasonably be referred to as an "occupation". This is disputed land being administered by Israel and in the absence of good faith negotiations between Israel and a capable and credible Palestinian representative, all disputes will have to be resolved by Israel, including by Israeli courts, and therefore no resolutions or international laws that refer to occupation or Palestinian land, other than in terms of personal property rights, are applicable. Should the High Court strike this law down because of some international law that deems it "occupied territory" or "Palestinian land or territory" the Basic Law must be amended to forbid any part of the government, including the High Court, to recognize the applicability of any international law or resolution that does not recognize the land as only disputed land.

The Apartheid state strikes again.

lol apparently it struck you in the head and did considerable damage.

 

[montelatici]

Israel has passed a controversial law retroactively legalising 3,800 settler homes built on private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.


More than 600,000 Jews live in about 140 settlements built since Israel's 1967 occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem - land the Palestinians claim for a future state. The settlements are considered illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.

Palestinians say the new legislation negates peace and their chances of creating a state. However, its passage could be largely symbolic. Already Israel's attorney general has said the law is unconstitutional and that he will not defend it in the Supreme Court.

Opposition leader Yitzhak Herzog denounced the measure as "an acute danger to Israel" which could lead to prosecution at the International Criminal Court (ICC) at The Hague.

The ICC is currently examining whether Israeli settlements should be subject to a full investigation.

A minister from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party championed the vote as a demonstration of "the connection between the Jewish people and its land. This whole land is ours. All of it."
Israel passes controversial law on West Bank settlements - BBC News
Pride goes before a fall

"The Regulation Law passed its final reading in the Knesset by a majority of 60 to 52.

The law legalizes and protects thousands of Jewish homes in Judea and Samaria which were built with government backing and lacked absentee land claims, but against which there are now property claims.

Under the Regulation Law, homes built on such properties will be allowed to remain, and owners with proven claims to the land will be given a choice of receiving an alternate plot of land or monetary compensation for 125% of their land's value.

Very few actual land owners have filed such claims in the courts, with most of the suits filed by leftist organizations, as Israeli courts do not limit suits to those who have a direct connection to the issue in dispute. Israel allowed Jordanian land laws to remain binding in Judea and Samaria. According to Jordanian law, the fact that property taxes have not been paid on the lands since 1967, or that the claimants have not used the land in any way, do not affect ownership."

Regulation Law passes final reading in Knesset

In terms of personal property rights the law is fair and just and in terms of conflicting political claims, it recognizes what we all know is true: there is no alternative to the status quo in the foreseeable future and that the present state of things can no longer reasonably be referred to as an "occupation". This is disputed land being administered by Israel and in the absence of good faith negotiations between Israel and a capable and credible Palestinian representative, all disputes will have to be resolved by Israel, including by Israeli courts, and therefore no resolutions or international laws that refer to occupation or Palestinian land, other than in terms of personal property rights, are applicable. Should the High Court strike this law down because of some international law that deems it "occupied territory" or "Palestinian land or territory" the Basic Law must be amended to forbid any part of the government, including the High Court, to recognize the applicability of any international law or resolution that does not recognize the land as only disputed land.

The Apartheid state strikes again.

lol apparently it struck you in the head and did considerable damage.

You shouldn't stop taking your meds. heh, heh!

 

[Coyote]

Finally we can say they worth their money. Congrats on the Hasdara law.

Why do you think this law is a good thing? It is legitimizing theft of land that is Palestinian private property. Is that a good thing?

 

[rylah]

Finally we can say they worth their money. Congrats on the Hasdara law.

Why do you think this law is a good thing? It is legitimizing theft of land that is Palestinian private property. Is that a good thing?

Latest expulsion from Ammona happened as a result of a collaboration between B'tselem NGO and the Palestinian family (who didn't even know they owned any land).

Their claim was for 4% of the Ammona territory. However they could NOT point to the exact plot- and the Court decided it was enough to demolish the whole town.
This was a precedent as I understand.
How many more thousands of Jews have to be cleansed from Judea Samaria because of such shady claims?

What will the Palestinians do when Palestinian Jews demand back their lands in Jerusalem they were expelled from several times just in the last 100-150 yrs?

 

[Coyote]

Finally we can say they worth their money. Congrats on the Hasdara law.

Why do you think this law is a good thing? It is legitimizing theft of land that is Palestinian private property. Is that a good thing?

Latest expulsion from Ammona happened as a result of a collaboration between B'tselem NGO and the Palestinian family (who didn't even know they owned any land).

Their claim was for 4% of the Ammona territory. However they could NOT point to the exact plot- and the Court decided it was enough to demolish the whole town.
This was a precedent as I understand.
How many more thousands of Jews have to be cleansed from Judea Samaria because of such shady claims?

What will the Palestinians do when Palestinian Jews demand back their lands in Jerusalem they were expelled from several times just in the last 100-150 yrs?

How many Palestinians were cleansed when they instituted their absentee landowner policies? Shady indeed.


Meh.

 

[rylah]

Just for perspective-1 day before the same Judge ordered the evacuation of Ammona, signed an order to let Arab families who happen to live on private Jewish land in Jerusalem. have more time before they find a suitable arrangement for a living.

In comparison- Gush Katif residents are still waiting for such an arrangement, (promised) and the Ammona evacuation started hours before the time set in the order.

What most of the westerners don't understand is the purpose of this law in relation to the Court and the NGO's.

 

[Coyote]

Just for perspective-1 day before the same Judge ordered the evacuation of Ammona, signed an order to let Arab families who happen to live on private Jewish land in Jerusalem. have more time before they find a suitable arrangement for a living.

In comparison- Gush Katif residents are still waiting for such an arrangement, (promised) and the Ammona evacuation started hours before the time set in the order.

What most of the westerners don't understand is the purpose of this law in relation to the Court and the NGO's.

How long has the fight over Ammona been going on?