Israel, the 51st State of the USA & then maybe not (a repeat thread)

There are very good reasons why the United States supports Israel so vigorously.

The first is that America routinely takes sides with the underdog and that the Jews were the ultimate underdogs of the 20th century.

The second is that America was most affected emotionally amongst all the liberators of the Nazi concentration camps as WWII drew to a close.

The third is that the British had taken over Palestine from the Ottomans at the end of WWI under the League of Nations (United Nations) Mandate.

The fourth is that the British had promised the Jews of Palestine a homeland within their spiritual-ancestral homeland of Palestine when WWI ended.

The fifth is that the British reneged on their promise after hundreds of thousands of Jews had fled there before, during and after the butchery of WWII.

The sixth is that the Muslim-Arabs of the region were decidedly anti-Western and that Israel could be made to serve as an operating base in an emergency.

The seventh is that the Muslim-Arabs of the region have repeatedly promised to drive the Jews of Palestine-Israel into the Mediterranean Sea to drown them.

The eighth is that the Muslim-Arabs of the region control a great deal of fossil fuel and require a powerful regional superpower counter to keep them in line.

The ninth is that the Muslim-Arab nations of the region willingly jumped into the Soviet sphere in the 1950s and beyond and a beachhead was required.

The tenth is that the Jews of Israel do far more good with the land than the Muslim-Arabs of the region ever did or ever will do.

The eleventh is that the Jews of Israel have far more in common with The West than they do with Muslim-Arabs and the bonds of friendship are stronger.

The twelfth is that Americans will never again allow the Jews to be slaughtered the way that EuroTrash did in the mid-twentieth.

The thirteenth is that it pleases us to befriend and assist and stand alongside Israel.

The fourteenth is because the Muslim-Arab nations of the region have poured countless blood and treasure into wars with Israel and are now done with that.

The fifteenth is because Via Victus - Woe to the Vanquished - the Muzzies have lost and need to relocate to the East Bank of the Jordan.

There is no Arab Cavalry coming over the hill to rescue the so-called 'Palestinians' who have been rotting in refugee camps and towns since 1948.

Time to help the Israelis achieve their ultimate goal - the realization of the League of Nations Partition Plan for Palestine of 1922...

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A Muslim-Arab "Palestine already exists... it's called "Jordan"... and the Muzzies in Gaza and what little remains of the West Bank need to be pushed across to the East Bank as a permanent relocation.

With both Gaza and the West Bank entirely in Israeli hands, Israel becomes vastly more defensible and there will be no further "internal" disturbances.

And, within a generation or two of any-such forced resettlement, and decades of relative peace and the opportunity to live and grow elsewhere beyond the disturbances and violence of the present day, so-called Palestinians will be absorbed into Jordanian national life and cease to be an existential threat.

Wrong mostly.

Jews have never been the underdog, but have consistently been arrogant and demanding, working for the aristocracy as Viziers, tax collectors, bureaucrats, and bankers.

The majority of the concentration camps were in the east, and the US had no exposure to them.
The work camps in the west the US did liberate, were actually run mostly by the inmates themselves, and and the appalling conditions were mostly caused by the US cutting off DDT and US bombing, and causing starvation and epidemics like typhus, dysentery, etc.

The British were never to have rule over Palestine, but instead were mandated to prepare the Arab for independence in repayment for their participation in the great Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire (Lawrence of Arabia).

The Jews of Palestine had been promised nothing because they did nothing.
The Jews of Europe were promised easy immigration to a homeland inside of an Arab, Molsem, independent Palestine.
In fact, before the Palestinians would agree to allowing Jewish immigration at all, they had to pledge to NOT want any Jewish sovereignty at all, ever.

Anyone claiming Jews were at risk under Moslem rule is obviously lying.
First of all Jews had almost always lived best under Moslem rule, the Jews were never attacked or harmed by Moslems.
It is the Christians of Spain and Germany who attacked them The Inquisition, the Crusades, the Holocaust, etc.
If Jews were afraid of Moslems, they would not have emigrated to Palestine in the first place.

Zionism is the most evil, illegal, and anti-Jewish movement the world has ever seen.
Judaism says we are supposed to be in atonement for the sins of arrogance and pride, so the Messiah comes.
Zionists are atheists, not Jews.
Vae victis

The victor taking land has been an illegal war crime since the 1906 Geneva Convention.
Wasn't that the Hague convention?
Does it matter? In order to create and sustain a National Homeland for the Jews BOTH will largely be ignored and phukk anyone who gets in the way of that.
 
Indeed, the Jewish National Home was for Jews to get Palestinian citizenship in Palestine.

There is no Palestine.

ART. 7.


The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.


to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine

No mention of a country. Weird.
 
So when did your dementia set in or have you always been ignorant of anything outside your circle of mentally ill friends?
Indeependent, if my memory is correct, we have ben friends for a long time. What confounds me at the moment, is why a female would use a male avatar-?

As one friend to another, lets be honest with each other; ok :)-
 
Seventy-five percent of the current assistance to "Israel" has to be spent with U.S. contractors/industries. .
If you owned a business, how long could you stay open if you had to give customers 75% of the money to buy things at your store?
It's an absurd business plan, but that's what we do with Israel. ... :cuckoo:
wow, great comparison Sunni. Where did you come up with that one :lol:

So how long are you going to keep using two accounts for ?
 
Israel defeated an invasion from combined armies of The Arab States and it did so this time by a huge victory. It did this without ANY aid or assistance from America. In fact,
I am sure you tell yourself this every night before going to bed in the hope that you will not have nightmares.

But damn it, when you awake the truth stares you in the face as you shave in the morning.

Israel managed not to be defeated because of America’s support in cash$ and weapons.

I, among many others intend to turn this around. The blind fold is coming off, Israel’s hideous ways are being exposed.

Soon, very soon the USA will cut off all cash$ and weapon deliveries to the Zionists.

You, fncceo, should go to Israel and defend your kind or remain a coward hiding in the closet when things get a bit tuff.

:)-
Sooo the Arabs had no cash or weapons? The attacking Arab armies had support from many other Arab nations. But of course, whenever Arabs lost a war they started, they start to cry and whine about how the war wasn’t fair blah blah blah. Israel, a tiny country, was surrounded on all sides , yet still managed to whoop the Arabs with their tales between their legs.
 
Palestine was also supposed to be for the native Arabs,

Native Arabs? Outside of Arabia?

Have you always been retarded?

Almost all the natives to Palestine are Arabs, like the Canaanites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Amorites, Chaldeans, Urites, Nabatians, etc.
In fact, the Hebrew who are native to the Sinai, are also Arabs.

Israel has killed a tiny fraction of the Palestinians that Jordan has, and Jordan is never called out for that. And it was for the same reason. The Palestinians kept murdering and doing terror attacks to Jordon. They'd get sick of it and slaughter a bunch of Palestinians.

It only became an issue when Israel stepped in and Jew haters like you suddenly cared. Pick up a history book sometime.

Since you want to apply 1948 actions to today, as a Democrat, that makes you a KKK, Jim Crow, lynching, cross burning and segregation supporter. Didn't think that one through, did you Adolph?

Stop apologizing for your existence and grow a pair

Not at all true.
Jordan and Palestine have never had any sort of conflict at all, ever.
In fact, Jordan administered the West Bank from 1949 until the Israelis invaded on 1967.

The racism in the US is irrelevant.
The racism in the US goes back to slavery of the 1600s.
The Jews did not emigrate to Palestine until the 1930s, 40s, and 50s.
And it is the Zionists who caused all the trouble, like murdering the British peacekeepers, and UN Moderator.
1948 is relevant because that is when the UN described the legal borders of Israel, which do not include Jerusalem or any of the West Bank.

1948 is relevant because that is when the UN described the legal borders of Israel,

What were the borders in 1949, after Israel kicked the Arab armies in the ass?
What were the borders in 1967, after Israel kicked the Arab armies in the ass?
There were (are) no borders for Israel. Only armistice lines. Armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.
Israel has internationally recognized borders with Jordan and Egypt. Your childish attempts to convince anyone otherwise does not change the simpler facts.

Palestine, on the other hand, has no borders. None whatsoever .
 
Israel, the 51st State of the USA & then maybe not

For all practical purposes Israel is America’s 51st State.
The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?
I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

BTW We, as in American citizens owe Israel nothing, nada, zip so I as---

In Jerusalem Israeli’s spit on Christians and the US press never reports it.

What’s up------?
of course we voted for it.

we elected leaders that decide who gets foreign aid and who doesn’t
And Israel knows those leaders are the best money can buy
 
So when did your dementia set in or have you always been ignorant of anything outside your circle of mentally ill friends?
Indeependent, if my memory is correct, we have ben friends for a long time. What confounds me at the moment, is why a female would use a male avatar-?

As one friend to another, lets be honest with each other; ok :)-
WTF are you babbling about?
Your memory went a long time ago.
 
Indeed, the Jewish National Home was for Jews to get Palestinian citizenship in Palestine.

There is no Palestine.

ART. 7.


The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.


To 're-constitue' what?
 
Israel, the 51st State of the USA & then maybe not

For all practical purposes Israel is America’s 51st State.
The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?
I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

BTW We, as in American citizens owe Israel nothing, nada, zip so I as---

In Jerusalem Israeli’s spit on Christians and the US press never reports it.

What’s up------?
of course we voted for it.

we elected leaders that decide who gets foreign aid and who doesn’t
And Israel knows those leaders are the best money can buy

Is that why a franchise of the Xiden-Obamba govt
being shoved down our throats right now?
 
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Israel, the 51st State of the USA & then maybe not

For all practical purposes Israel is America’s 51st State.
The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?
I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

BTW We, as in American citizens owe Israel nothing, nada, zip so I as---

In Jerusalem Israeli’s spit on Christians and the US press never reports it.

What’s up------?
of course we voted for it.

we elected leaders that decide who gets foreign aid and who doesn’t
And Israel knows those leaders are the best money can buy
ah i don’t know some where petty bad
 
Interesting, what country did Jordan occupy?

Exactly!
Israel claims that you cannot occupy land that did not have a previous sovereignty. Hence my question.
Israel doesn’t need to claim anything . They have a country with defined territory and international borders . Palestine has .... well... nothing really :)
Pffffft, Israeli talking points.
Nice duck.
 

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