Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[montelatici]

So, killing a thousand or so of their women and children every 2 years or so is treating them with too much kindness. Figures.

Way to go Monte. There it is again. Pali's attack & kill Israeli's. Israel retaliates. And then they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality

Isn't it the other way around. After all, the Palestinians did not go to Europe and attack the Jews. The Jews went to Palestine from Europe to attack the Muslims and Christians. Get your story straight.

Oh yes, I forgot the Palestinians welcomed the legal creation of Israel in the beginning.

Why would the native people have welcomed the creation of a state for people that invaded from Europe who they would be ruled by? You have the craziest logic.

Because the Arabs are not "native/indigenous" of the land of Israel.
And the Muslim and Christian Arabs did not want Jews to EVER be sovereign of their ancient homeland, ever again.

Dhimmis are so much fun to keep.

Of course the "Arabs" (people that speak Arabic, not Arabians) are the native and indigenous people of Palestine. They are Muslims and Christians whose ancestors converted to Christianity and then Islam. Many of their ancestors were Jews before the birth of Christ. Who do you think the first Christians were? You are hilarious.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Way to go Monte. There it is again. Pali's attack & kill Israeli's. Israel retaliates. And then they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality

Isn't it the other way around. After all, the Palestinians did not go to Europe and attack the Jews. The Jews went to Palestine from Europe to attack the Muslims and Christians. Get your story straight.

Oh yes, I forgot the Palestinians welcomed the legal creation of Israel in the beginning.

Why would the native people have welcomed the creation of a state for people that invaded from Europe who they would be ruled by? You have the craziest logic.

Because the Arabs are not "native/indigenous" of the land of Israel.
And the Muslim and Christian Arabs did not want Jews to EVER be sovereign of their ancient homeland, ever again.

Dhimmis are so much fun to keep.

Of course the "Arabs" (people that speak Arabic, not Arabians) are the native and indigenous people of Palestine. They are Muslims and Christians whose ancestors converted to Christianity and then Islam. Many of their ancestors were Jews before the birth of Christ. Who do you think the first Christians were? You are hilarious.

Hilarious!!!!! Is this:

Now, there are Arabs.....and Arabians.

They are indigenous from all different places all of a sudden.

What a Hoot !!!

 

[montelatici]

Isn't it the other way around. After all, the Palestinians did not go to Europe and attack the Jews. The Jews went to Palestine from Europe to attack the Muslims and Christians. Get your story straight.

Oh yes, I forgot the Palestinians welcomed the legal creation of Israel in the beginning.

Why would the native people have welcomed the creation of a state for people that invaded from Europe who they would be ruled by? You have the craziest logic.

Because the Arabs are not "native/indigenous" of the land of Israel.
And the Muslim and Christian Arabs did not want Jews to EVER be sovereign of their ancient homeland, ever again.

Dhimmis are so much fun to keep.

Of course the "Arabs" (people that speak Arabic, not Arabians) are the native and indigenous people of Palestine. They are Muslims and Christians whose ancestors converted to Christianity and then Islam. Many of their ancestors were Jews before the birth of Christ. Who do you think the first Christians were? You are hilarious.

Hilarious!!!!! Is this:

Now, there are Arabs.....and Arabians.

They are indigenous from all different places all of a sudden.

What a Hoot !!!

Of course they are. You really never understood the difference between Arab and Arabian? I am surprised you are so ignorant in this area. The Arabians were a tiny desert population of less than a million in the whole peninsula at the time of Mohamed. The "Arabs" are people that speak Arabic. Even Egyptians are not very Arabian. Interestingly, Ashkenazi Jews are more Arabian than Tunisians. Bet you didn't know that. National Geographic performed a genetic study to see how much Arabian the various Arabs had in them.

Tunisians are only 4% Arabian ...

Did you know these non-Arab countries actually have some Arabian genes?
1. Georgia: 5 percent

2. Iran: 56 percent

3. The Luhya people of Kenya: 2 percent

4. Natives of Madagascar: 2 percent

5. The Northern Caucasus (including Dagestanis and Abkhazians): 9 percent

6. Tajikistan (Pamiri mountains): 6 percent

7. Sardinia: 3 percent

8. Southern India: 2 percent

9. Western India: 6 percent

10. Indonesia: 6 percent

11. Ethiopia: 11 percent

12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent

Egyptians are only 17% Arabian ...

DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

 

[Sixties Fan]

Oh yes, I forgot the Palestinians welcomed the legal creation of Israel in the beginning.

Why would the native people have welcomed the creation of a state for people that invaded from Europe who they would be ruled by? You have the craziest logic.

Because the Arabs are not "native/indigenous" of the land of Israel.
And the Muslim and Christian Arabs did not want Jews to EVER be sovereign of their ancient homeland, ever again.

Dhimmis are so much fun to keep.

Of course the "Arabs" (people that speak Arabic, not Arabians) are the native and indigenous people of Palestine. They are Muslims and Christians whose ancestors converted to Christianity and then Islam. Many of their ancestors were Jews before the birth of Christ. Who do you think the first Christians were? You are hilarious.

Hilarious!!!!! Is this:

Now, there are Arabs.....and Arabians.

They are indigenous from all different places all of a sudden.

What a Hoot !!!

Of course they are. You really never understood the difference between Arab and Arabian? I am surprised you are so ignorant in this area. The Arabians were a tiny desert population of less than a million in the whole peninsula at the time of Mohamed. The "Arabs" are people that speak Arabic. Even Egyptians are not very Arabian. Interestingly, Ashkenazi Jews are more Arabian than Tunisians. Bet you didn't know that. National Geographic performed a genetic study to see how much Arabian the various Arabs had in them.

Tunisians are only 4% Arabian ...

Did you know these non-Arab countries actually have some Arabian genes?
1. Georgia: 5 percent

2. Iran: 56 percent

3. The Luhya people of Kenya: 2 percent

4. Natives of Madagascar: 2 percent

5. The Northern Caucasus (including Dagestanis and Abkhazians): 9 percent

6. Tajikistan (Pamiri mountains): 6 percent

7. Sardinia: 3 percent

8. Southern India: 2 percent

9. Western India: 6 percent

10. Indonesia: 6 percent

11. Ethiopia: 11 percent

12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent

Egyptians are only 17% Arabian ...

DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

There is not the point and you know it.

The 850,000 Jews expelled from Arab dominated countries, from 1948 on, were never, ever, ever, and continue to not be......called Arabs.
Regardless of the fact that many of the surviving ones continue to speak Arabic.


Tell us another one !!!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, killing a thousand or so of their women and children every 2 years or so is treating them with too much kindness. Figures.

Way to go Monte. There it is again. Pali's attack & kill Israeli's. Israel retaliates. And then they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality

Isn't it the other way around. After all, the Palestinians did not go to Europe and attack the Jews. The Jews went to Palestine from Europe to attack the Muslims and Christians. Get your story straight.

Oh yes, I forgot the Palestinians welcomed the legal creation of Israel in the beginning.

Why would the native people have welcomed the creation of a state for people that invaded from Europe who they would be ruled by? You have the craziest logic.

Because the Arabs are not "native/indigenous" of the land of Israel.
And the Muslim and Christian Arabs did not want Jews to EVER be sovereign of their ancient homeland, ever again.

Dhimmis are so much fun to keep.

There were no Dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire or in Palestine.

Where do you get your shit?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Way to go Monte. There it is again. Pali's attack & kill Israeli's. Israel retaliates. And then they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality

Isn't it the other way around. After all, the Palestinians did not go to Europe and attack the Jews. The Jews went to Palestine from Europe to attack the Muslims and Christians. Get your story straight.

Oh yes, I forgot the Palestinians welcomed the legal creation of Israel in the beginning.

Why would the native people have welcomed the creation of a state for people that invaded from Europe who they would be ruled by? You have the craziest logic.

Because the Arabs are not "native/indigenous" of the land of Israel.
And the Muslim and Christian Arabs did not want Jews to EVER be sovereign of their ancient homeland, ever again.

Dhimmis are so much fun to keep.

There were no Dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire or in Palestine.

Where do you get your shit?

Do you know what the word Dhimmis means?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Isn't it the other way around. After all, the Palestinians did not go to Europe and attack the Jews. The Jews went to Palestine from Europe to attack the Muslims and Christians. Get your story straight.

Oh yes, I forgot the Palestinians welcomed the legal creation of Israel in the beginning.

Why would the native people have welcomed the creation of a state for people that invaded from Europe who they would be ruled by? You have the craziest logic.

Because the Arabs are not "native/indigenous" of the land of Israel.
And the Muslim and Christian Arabs did not want Jews to EVER be sovereign of their ancient homeland, ever again.

Dhimmis are so much fun to keep.

There were no Dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire or in Palestine.

Where do you get your shit?

Do you know what the word Dhimmis means?

Sure, the Ottomans abandoned the practice in the mid 19th century and it was never an issue in Palestine.

 

[Hollie]

Oh yes, I forgot the Palestinians welcomed the legal creation of Israel in the beginning.

Why would the native people have welcomed the creation of a state for people that invaded from Europe who they would be ruled by? You have the craziest logic.

Because the Arabs are not "native/indigenous" of the land of Israel.
And the Muslim and Christian Arabs did not want Jews to EVER be sovereign of their ancient homeland, ever again.

Dhimmis are so much fun to keep.

There were no Dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire or in Palestine.

Where do you get your shit?

Do you know what the word Dhimmis means?

Sure, the Ottomans abandoned the practice in the mid 19th century and it was never an issue in Palestine.

Ah, so having self-refuted your earlier "no dbimmi" comment, you acknowledge that error and now attempt to weed whack your way through the landscape of "but.... but.... but.... but...."

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why would the native people have welcomed the creation of a state for people that invaded from Europe who they would be ruled by? You have the craziest logic.

Because the Arabs are not "native/indigenous" of the land of Israel.
And the Muslim and Christian Arabs did not want Jews to EVER be sovereign of their ancient homeland, ever again.

Dhimmis are so much fun to keep.

There were no Dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire or in Palestine.

Where do you get your shit?

Do you know what the word Dhimmis means?

Sure, the Ottomans abandoned the practice in the mid 19th century and it was never an issue in Palestine.

Ah, so having self-refuted your earlier "no dbimmi" comment, you acknowledge that error and now attempt to weed whack your way through the landscape of "but.... but.... but.... but...."

If it was never an issue in Palestine, why did you bring it up?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Because the Arabs are not "native/indigenous" of the land of Israel.
And the Muslim and Christian Arabs did not want Jews to EVER be sovereign of their ancient homeland, ever again.

Dhimmis are so much fun to keep.

There were no Dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire or in Palestine.

Where do you get your shit?

Do you know what the word Dhimmis means?

Sure, the Ottomans abandoned the practice in the mid 19th century and it was never an issue in Palestine.

Ah, so having self-refuted your earlier "no dbimmi" comment, you acknowledge that error and now attempt to weed whack your way through the landscape of "but.... but.... but.... but...."

If it was never an issue in Palestine, why did you bring it up?

 

[Hollie]

Because the Arabs are not "native/indigenous" of the land of Israel.
And the Muslim and Christian Arabs did not want Jews to EVER be sovereign of their ancient homeland, ever again.

Dhimmis are so much fun to keep.

There were no Dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire or in Palestine.

Where do you get your shit?

Do you know what the word Dhimmis means?

Sure, the Ottomans abandoned the practice in the mid 19th century and it was never an issue in Palestine.

Ah, so having self-refuted your earlier "no dbimmi" comment, you acknowledge that error and now attempt to weed whack your way through the landscape of "but.... but.... but.... but...."

If it was never an issue in Palestine, why did you bring it up?

The Ottoman Empire instituted the fascist Islamic practice of dhimmitude. You brought it up.

 

[Hollie]

There were no Dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire or in Palestine.

Where do you get your shit?

Do you know what the word Dhimmis means?

Sure, the Ottomans abandoned the practice in the mid 19th century and it was never an issue in Palestine.

Ah, so having self-refuted your earlier "no dbimmi" comment, you acknowledge that error and now attempt to weed whack your way through the landscape of "but.... but.... but.... but...."

If it was never an issue in Palestine, why did you bring it up?

It's called The Tinmore Vortex™

 

[Sixties Fan]

I believe that dhimmitute was around from the time Islam was created.

Dhimmi - Wikipedia

The "dhimma contract"[edit]
Based on Quranic verses and Islamic traditions, classical sharia distinguishes between Muslims, followers of other Abrahamic religions, and pagans or people belonging to other polytheistic religions. As monotheists, Jews and Christians have traditionally been considered "People of the Book," and afforded a special status known as dhimmi derived from a theoretical contract—"dhimma" or "residence in return for taxes". In Yemenite Jewish sources, a treaty was drafted between Muhammad and his Jewish subjects, known as kitāb ḏimmat al-nabi, written in the 17th year of the Hijra (638 CE), and which gave express liberty unto Jews living in Arabia to observe the Sabbath and to grow-out their side-locks, but were required to pay the jizya (poll-tax) annually for their protection by their patrons

 

[MJB12741]

I believe that dhimmitute was around from the time Islam was created.

Dhimmi - Wikipedia

The "dhimma contract"[edit]
Based on Quranic verses and Islamic traditions, classical sharia distinguishes between Muslims, followers of other Abrahamic religions, and pagans or people belonging to other polytheistic religions. As monotheists, Jews and Christians have traditionally been considered "People of the Book," and afforded a special status known as dhimmi derived from a theoretical contract—"dhimma" or "residence in return for taxes". In Yemenite Jewish sources, a treaty was drafted between Muhammad and his Jewish subjects, known as kitāb ḏimmat al-nabi, written in the 17th year of the Hijra (638 CE), and which gave express liberty unto Jews living in Arabia to observe the Sabbath and to grow-out their side-locks, but were required to pay the jizya (poll-tax) annually for their protection by their patrons

That's what they call equal justice for non Muslim citizens. Not exactly like Israeli Palestinian citizens represented in the Knesset with equal voting rights.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There were no Dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire or in Palestine.

Where do you get your shit?

Do you know what the word Dhimmis means?

Sure, the Ottomans abandoned the practice in the mid 19th century and it was never an issue in Palestine.

Ah, so having self-refuted your earlier "no dbimmi" comment, you acknowledge that error and now attempt to weed whack your way through the landscape of "but.... but.... but.... but...."

If it was never an issue in Palestine, why did you bring it up?

The Ottoman Empire instituted the fascist Islamic practice of dhimmitude. You brought it up.

Not true. Sixties Fan brought it up.

 

[Hollie]

Do you know what the word Dhimmis means?

Sure, the Ottomans abandoned the practice in the mid 19th century and it was never an issue in Palestine.

Ah, so having self-refuted your earlier "no dbimmi" comment, you acknowledge that error and now attempt to weed whack your way through the landscape of "but.... but.... but.... but...."

If it was never an issue in Palestine, why did you bring it up?

The Ottoman Empire instituted the fascist Islamic practice of dhimmitude. You brought it up.

Not true. Sixties Fan brought it up.

Actually, you've sucked yourself into The Tinmore Vortex™

It's funny watching you corkscrew yourself around in circles.

 

[MJB12741]

Sure, the Ottomans abandoned the practice in the mid 19th century and it was never an issue in Palestine.

Ah, so having self-refuted your earlier "no dbimmi" comment, you acknowledge that error and now attempt to weed whack your way through the landscape of "but.... but.... but.... but...."

If it was never an issue in Palestine, why did you bring it up?

The Ottoman Empire instituted the fascist Islamic practice of dhimmitude. You brought it up.

Not true. Sixties Fan brought it up.

Actually, you've sucked yourself into The Tinmore Vortex™

It's funny watching you corkscrew yourself around in circles.

Just like a Palestinian, he just can't accept the fact that Israel is there to stay.

 

[Sixties Fan]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

 

[montelatici]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

 

[Sixties Fan]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

Obtaining a legal document which will give you the right to re-establish your Nation on your ancient land is not "self-serving".

If you do the research, you will find out that First Nations in America have been working legally to reclaim any of their ancient land.

You have no evidence that the Arabs were living in ancient Canaan before the Hebrews.
The Palestinians are Arabs. Their ancient homeland is the Arabian Peninsula.
They are not connected to any tribe/clan which lived in ancient Canaan, not to the Greek descendants knows as the Philistines, or any other people.

The Israelites, descendants of the Hebrews, formed the Nation of Israel once they left bondage in Egypt. From King David on, they became a unified Kingdom recognized by many of the invaders or traders as being such.

Being away from one's homeland, does not make that homeland less their homeland, the place where their ancient culture flourished, their history, their religion and everything else one connects to the words Hebrews, Israelites, Nation of Israel, Judea. Not even the Romans changing the name of Judea into latin Palestine, did not make the land stop being the ancient homeland of the Jews, no matter how many continued to live on the land.

Islam has done nothing but teach that Jews are inferior people for not converting to Islam. And treating them and all non Muslim under Islam as second class citizens who had to pay a certain tax and wear certain clothes to identify them, so on and so forth.

Palestinians are Arab Muslims who cannot accept that Jews have taken any part of their Muslim heritage away from them. Even if it was taken away by the Crusaders, and the Ottomans, at least with the Ottomans - they were Muslims.

Zionism is not a bad word. It is not about conquering other people's lands.
If they were all converts, that would mean that Judaism had no problem converting people en masse.
Judaism was never like that, and to this day it is not like that.
That is why the number of Jews in the world continues to be small compared to Christianity and Islam which have gone out of their way to convert people for the past 2000 years.

Zionism is the return of the Jewish People to their homeland and recreating a sovereign nation on their Ancient Land.

That is all it has been since the word was coined.

It is about Zion. The Land of Zion. Israel. Jerusalem.

All of which were always important at all time to all Jews.

Changing the facts, or believing in what the Muslims want the world to believe, because they know how much many Christians and Muslims have been taught to hate Jews, will not change the truth and reality that the Jews who created Zionism, and the Jews who were already living on the land, or returned to it, are the rightful
of the Land of Israel.

No different from Apaches still being the rightful owners, paper or no paper, of their ancient homeland. The same goes to all 500 First Nations, or the ones which have survived 400 of European colonization.

Jews are NOT Europeans. They are not Mezopotamiams. Iranians. Egyptians, Russians, in the ethnical sense.

All peoples have had additions to their groups, or converts.

The numbers into Jewish Groups is not as great as you have been told or would like to think because Jews mostly lived in isolation from others in other for their faith and way of living to survive any assimilation which would endanger the Jewish life they lived.

Jews are the indigenous people of the land. A melting pot of all the people who lived in ancient Canaan 3000 years ago, and others who married or converted into the religion and became part of the Nation of Israel.

Jews from Iran, Egypt, Morocco, Russia, England, France, America = people who's ancestors inhabited ancient Canaan, The Nation of Israel, Judea = eventually a region known as Palestine.

Arabs from Palestine (now known as Palestinians), Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan,England, USA, Australia, and anywhere else they now live = people who primarily came from the Arabian Peninsula and moved around the world just as any other people did, including the Jewish People.


Jews are from Judea

Arabs are from Arabia


Spend some time thinking about it.