It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

[Vigilante]

How much easier, cost effective, and the prospects of saving American lives it is, to DEPORT 15+ MILLION muslims, than it would be to try, and CONFISCATE 350 MILLION weapons currently LEGITIMATELY, and LEGALLY HELD in American citizen's hands?..... One never fails to watch the scum of this country, the leftist agitators, demonstrators, and deranged mentally TRY to ALTER what has been PROVEN HISTORY over the many decades of our existence!...They ALWAYS PICK the hardest to accomplish, BUT the most USEFUL to their (Take your pick...) FASCIST, NAZI, SOCIALIST, COMMUNIST, DEMORAT agenda!!!!!

 

[Kondor3]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

There was an Amendment to the US Constitution protecting the rights of American Citizens to smoke cigarettes?

And it was overturned?

Wow... ya learn sumfin' new every day...

 

[Norman]

I thought liberals were about allowing anyone to put anything in their bodies, including tobacco.

 

[FA_Q2]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

It can be done on guns .. and will be done on guns under the influence of an evolved American population.

Amen! It's just a matter of time...

And yet the opposite is happening.
But don't let reality get in your way.

 

[Chuz Life]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

It can be done on guns .. and will be done on guns under the influence of an evolved American population.

Amen! It's just a matter of time...

And yet the opposite is happening.
But don't let reality get in your way.

I just checked armslist.com

Prices are already climbing fast on guns and ammo in anticipation of any future overacting by the feds.

 

[FA_Q2]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

It can be done on guns .. and will be done on guns under the influence of an evolved American population.

Amen! It's just a matter of time...

And yet the opposite is happening.
But don't let reality get in your way.

I just checked armslist.com

Prices are already climbing fast on guns and ammo in anticipation of any future overacting by the feds.

As happens every time and when nothing happens things go back to normal.

 

[Chuz Life]

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

It can be done on guns .. and will be done on guns under the influence of an evolved American population.

Amen! It's just a matter of time...

And yet the opposite is happening.
But don't let reality get in your way.

I just checked armslist.com

Prices are already climbing fast on guns and ammo in anticipation of any future overacting by the feds.

As happens every time and when nothing happens things go back to normal.

The result is even more guns on the street and that's my point.

Both the demand AND The prices are up.

 

[Lakhota]

Hillary wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. I agree. Go Hillary!!!!!

 

[M14 Shooter]

Hillary wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. I agree.

As do all the other mindless bigots.

 

[hadit]

Hillary wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. I agree. Go Hillary!!!!!

Define "assault weapon", and make it more substantive than "big black scary looking gun".

 

[Rustic]

Hillary wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. I agree. Go Hillary!!!!!

 

[rightwinger]

Sorry..not buying it

http://www.newsweek.com/gun-control-where-criminals-get-weapons-412850

While criminals typically do not buy their guns at a store, all but a tiny fraction of the guns in circulation in the United States are first sold at retail by a gun dealer—including the guns that eventually end up in the hands of criminals.

That first retail sale was most likely legal, in that the clerk followed federal and state requirements for documentation, a background check and record-keeping. While there are scofflaw dealers who sometimes make under-the-counter deals, that is by no means the norm.

If a gun ends up in criminal use, it is usually after several more transactions. The average age of guns taken from Chicago gangs is over 11 years.

So what's your solution, dirt bag, outlawing the retail sale of guns?

Nope.....record the sale every time a gun changes hands
Just like cars

In other words, require every person in America to be a licensed gun dealer.

Fuck that.

Sell your gun, you verify the buyer is legal
Why would you want to sell to a fellow?

Yeah, it's my job to determine if someone who wants to buy my gun, has a criminal history?

Do you check every time you sell a car, to see if the person has a driving record? No? Why not? Don't you care? It's your job to run a background check!

Every time you donate money to charity, are you checking to make sure they are not funding Islamists?

Every time you buy food, are you checking to see if they are engaged in embezzlement?

Every time you open a bank account, or credit card account, are you checking to see if the bank is engaged in fraud?

Don't you care? It's your job to check everything.

You people are hypocrites. No I am not going to check someone if they show up at my house with $300 to buy my pistol. No, I don't care. Sucks to be you. When you stop being a hypocrite, I'll stop not caring. Since you'll never stop being a hypocrite, you can save your fake moral superiority.

Yes. It is your job to verify you are not selling your gun to a criminal

You can do that by verifying with the local police or if the guy you are selling to has a license of some sort. If it is found you supplied a gun to a criminal, you should be criminally liable. Gives you more motivation

Every time I sell my car, I transfer the title and it is recorded with the local authorities. Wouldn't it be nice if we did the same with guns?

 

[Lakhota]

Hillary wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. I agree. Go Hillary!!!!!

Define "assault weapon", and make it more substantive than "big black scary looking gun".

Just like the one President Reagan banned. Okay...

 

[rightwinger]

We have not banned smoking...only made is socially unacceptable and inconvenient

We are slowly doing the same thing with guns as the number or households owning guns has dropped significantly

Who says the left ain't fascist? What other ideology went out there and made some XYZ act socially uneaccptable to the point where no one wants to do it anymore. Just tell gunowners that guns are dangerous and people who own them are crazy and dangerous. That should created a lot of peer pressure on people so that they no longer want to buy guns.

Since gun ownership is down why complain about how many guns are in the U.S.?

Just reporting a trend

But you don't have to worry...you can still go to bed at night cuddling your gun. Just be aware there are fewer and fewer of you

 

[Rustic]

So what's your solution, dirt bag, outlawing the retail sale of guns?

Nope.....record the sale every time a gun changes hands
Just like cars

In other words, require every person in America to be a licensed gun dealer.

Fuck that.

Sell your gun, you verify the buyer is legal
Why would you want to sell to a fellow?

Yeah, it's my job to determine if someone who wants to buy my gun, has a criminal history?

Do you check every time you sell a car, to see if the person has a driving record? No? Why not? Don't you care? It's your job to run a background check!

Every time you donate money to charity, are you checking to make sure they are not funding Islamists?

Every time you buy food, are you checking to see if they are engaged in embezzlement?

Every time you open a bank account, or credit card account, are you checking to see if the bank is engaged in fraud?

Don't you care? It's your job to check everything.

You people are hypocrites. No I am not going to check someone if they show up at my house with $300 to buy my pistol. No, I don't care. Sucks to be you. When you stop being a hypocrite, I'll stop not caring. Since you'll never stop being a hypocrite, you can save your fake moral superiority.

Yes. It is your job to verify you are not selling your gun to a criminal

You can do that by verifying with the local police or if the guy you are selling to has a license of some sort. If it found you supplied a gun to a criminal, you should be criminally liable. Gives you more motivation

Every time I sell my car, I transfer the title and it is recorded with the local authorities. Wouldn't it be nice if we did the same with guns?

You Don't have a right to a car you dumb fuck, gun ownership is an absolute right you fucking moron.
Stay in your moms basement you fucking pussy...
Lol

 

[Rustic]

Hillary wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. I agree. Go Hillary!!!!!

Define "assault weapon", and make it more substantive than "big black scary looking gun".

Just like the one President Reagan banned. Okay...

 

[M14 Shooter]

Hillary wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. I agree. Go Hillary!!!!!

Define "assault weapon", and make it more substantive than "big black scary looking gun".

Just like the one President Reagan banned. Okay...

Mindless nonsense.

 

[hadit]

Hillary wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. I agree. Go Hillary!!!!!

Define "assault weapon", and make it more substantive than "big black scary looking gun".

Just like the one President Reagan banned. Okay...

What does it matter who banned it? I'm asking for a decent definition of an "assault weapon". Once we define it, we can start deciding whether banning such things will actually make a difference or not.

 

[FA_Q2]

Hillary wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. I agree. Go Hillary!!!!!

Define "assault weapon", and make it more substantive than "big black scary looking gun".

Just like the one President Reagan banned. Okay...

What does it matter who banned it? I'm asking for a decent definition of an "assault weapon". Once we define it, we can start deciding whether banning such things will actually make a difference or not.

That question is uncomfortable as those wanting to ban things do not care what they are banning as long as something is banned.

The 'assault' weapon line of thought has always been asinine considering that there is no reasonable definition of one that relates to criminal use.

 

[Andylusion]

Hillary wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. I agree. Go Hillary!!!!!

Yeah, only criminals should have assault weapons.