It's Mueller Time!

[Obama2020]

Hillary lost in 2016 fair and square. Waaaaaaahhhh

Honestly, I'd rather lose than end up like a rat in a corner of the White House with all my friends ending up in jail LMAO.

 

[Faun]

"In this investigation, the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference." ~ pg 157

"At the same time , if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him." ~ pg 182

The two volumes reached different conclusions.

The first volume cleared trump of collusion/conspiracy, and Mueller did so state.

The second volume did not clear trump of obstruction, and as Mueller said, they would have cleared him if they felt confident he had not obstructed justice.... and they didn't "exonerate him."

Have you ever been in a courtroom in your life? Have you ever been in a position to sit on a jury or even read up on what the legal criteria is for guilt to be established? If there is insufficient evidence to charge or convict a person with a crime, the person is judged not guilty under the law. Of course a team of 17 Hillary supporting, Trump hating Democrats are not going to say they cleared the President of a crime. And they did their damndest to feed as much crap to the gullible haters out there who gobbled it up and want it to look like something incriminating. But for the record, they didn't clear anybody else they looked at or interrogated either.

But if they couldn't find a crime to accuse him with after looking at 1.4 million documents, after 500+ subpoenas, after spending between $25 and $50 million, it is pretty damn certain that they, you, or nobody else has a single leg to stand on to accuse him of a crime.

I write this as information for the rational and fair minded of course. I don't expect those afflicted with TDS to even read it, much less make any effort to understand it.

LOLOL

So to you, Mueller saying he would have so stated trump had not committed obstruction had that been where the evidence led him -- is the same as saying -- there was no evidence trump was involved with Russian election interference??

Yep. If he, or probably Weissmann who I believe wrote at least Part 2 of the report, had ANY evidence the President had obstructed in any way, they absolutely would have said so and would have led that portion of the report with it. And Mueller wouldn't have joined Barr in a joint statement verifying that there was no such evidence. And he wouldn't have corrected his misspeak in his testimony on Wednesday.

"had ANY evidence the President had obstructed in any way, they absolutely would have said so"

LOL

That's actually the opposite of what the report says...

"if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state."​

Righties can't git anything right.

Regardless, trump was cleared of collusion and Mueller said so. There was obstruction which is why Mueller wouldn't clear him of it.

Wrong, Mueller didn't say either way. He didn't clear him and he didn't accuse him. He made no determination whatsoever. You may have an opinion on the matter, but your opinion is irrelevant as is mine.

Mueller did clear trump of collusion. So why do you think he didn't clear him of obstruction?

 

[Bush92]

Bought yourself an un-warned trip to the list for posting the same thing(s) 100 times in this thread alone. Pathetic TDS sufferer extroidinaire. You may be one of the better loons, but not exempt from the list. You can however, earn your way back off. It is rare.....but possible. We'll see.

Sometimes it's that little extra effort that does the trick. 101 might be the magic number.

Regardless.... As per Mueller's report (assuming you even read it) Trump is guilty of all colors and flavors of obstruction... Obstruction is part of life in the real estate business and is taken for granted.

However, even if obstruction is clearly defined as a crime, the OLC opinion temporarily protects the president. Period. (that's why most of Trump's minions are in jail and Trimp is not LOL)

Another “Have you read the report!” The report is bullshit, the whole investigation is bullshit, and the American public can see through this. But, you narcissistic liberals feel that you’re supposed to show us ignorant assholes to the light. The House is coming back. Do you Democrats actually sit back and look at this shit sandwich you are trying to feed people? It’s laughable.

 

[Faun]

LOLOL

So to you, Mueller saying he would have so stated trump had not committed obstruction had that been where the evidence led him -- is the same as saying -- there was no evidence trump was involved with Russian election interference??

Yep. If he, or probably Weissmann who I believe wrote at least Part 2 of the report, had ANY evidence the President had obstructed in any way, they absolutely would have said so and would have led that portion of the report with it. And Mueller wouldn't have joined Barr in a joint statement verifying that there was no such evidence. And he wouldn't have corrected his misspeak in his testimony on Wednesday.

"had ANY evidence the President had obstructed in any way, they absolutely would have said so"

LOL

That's actually the opposite of what the report says...

"if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state."​

Righties can't git anything right.

Regardless, trump was cleared of collusion and Mueller said so. There was obstruction which is why Mueller wouldn't clear him of it.

Where is the obstruction? Mueller said that in no case was he prevented or hindered in obtaining any information. None of the witnesses took the 5th so far as we know. And he identified no crime that was committed by the President including obstruction. It's pretty hard to obstruct justice when there is no crime to obstruct.

All Mueller has are bits of conversations, none in their full context, reported by others from a President frustrated that he is being constantly accused and slandered in the media, on social media, on message boards, and in Congress for something he did not do, has never done. And not one of those reports constitutes collusion, conspiracy, or obstruction. Mueller identified no crime that the President had committed. He confirmed that in his joint statement with Bill Barr. And he confirmed it again in his testimony last Wednesday.

And no amount of butt hurt, petty, snarky, angry, malicious, intellectually dishonest conspiracy theory and/or extrapolation from the TDS left changes that.

"Where is the obstruction? Mueller said that in no case was he prevented or hindered in obtaining any information."

Damn, you righties must all get your talking points from the same source. Y'all keep repeating that same debunked point...

CICILLINE: an unsuccessful attempt to obstruct justice is still a crime, is that correct?

MUELLER: That is correct.​

I give up. I thought Hillary was the master at playing dumb. I may be really wrong about that.

One last time: there is NO CLEAR EVIDENCE that the President obstructed or attempted to obstruct. There was no crime to obstruct. I don't expect you to understand or acknowledge that, but until you can refute that which you won't even try to do, I won't respond to you further about it. There is a limit to which any sane person engages in exercises of futility.

"there is NO CLEAR EVIDENCE that the President obstructed or attempted to obstruct."

Those are your words. Mueller said the polar opposite.

 

[saveliberty]

Bwahahahaha there was never a JOINT statement involving Mueller and AG Barr. Mueller contradicted Barr last Wednesday... man what BS LOL
This place is full of Russian trolls

Yes, we showed up in 2007 and 2009, you 2018 dumb ass.

Russian brainwashing techniques are very effective it seems.... If not Russian I'll assume you met Irina Spalko then

Living in fantasy is apparently your only alternative to reality. When did everyone start to be out to get you?

 

[Bush92]

Hillary lost in 2016 fair and square. Waaaaaaahhhh

Honestly, I'd rather lose than end up like a rat in a corner of the White House with all my friends ending up in jail LMAO.

I like winning...which in the end, DJT is doing. Personally, I’m not tired of it yet.

 

[saveliberty]

"Where is the obstruction? Mueller said that in no case was he prevented or hindered in obtaining any information."

Damn, you righties must all get your talking points from the same source. Y'all keep repeating that same debunked point...

CICILLINE: an unsuccessful attempt to obstruct justice is still a crime, is that correct?

MUELLER: That is correct.​

That exchange reaffirms obstruction is a crime, which it is. It does not say obstruction occurred however, which is what you implied incorrectly.

 

[Obama2020]

Another “Have you read the report!” The report is bullshit, the whole investigation is bullshit, and the American public can see through this. But, you narcissistic liberals feel that you’re supposed to show us ignorant assholes to the light. The House is coming back. Do you Democrats actually sit back and look at this shit sandwich you are trying to feed people? It’s laughable.

Don't underestimate the American public. That report is pure gold and will be enforced once Trump is out of office. (And Billy Barr will face charges for misrepresenting it)

 

[SAYIT]

You can however, earn your way back off. It is rare...but possible. We'll see.

...As per Mueller's report (assuming you even read it) Trump is guilty of all colors and flavors of obstruction...

 

[Obama2020]

Hillary lost in 2016 fair and square. Waaaaaaahhhh

Honestly, I'd rather lose than end up like a rat in a corner of the White House with all my friends ending up in jail LMAO.

I like winning...which in the end, DJT is doing. Personally, I’m not tired of it yet.

That kind of winning will come back to bite you in the ass. As fake stuff usually does.

 

[saveliberty]

Another “Have you read the report!” The report is bullshit, the whole investigation is bullshit, and the American public can see through this. But, you narcissistic liberals feel that you’re supposed to show us ignorant assholes to the light. The House is coming back. Do you Democrats actually sit back and look at this shit sandwich you are trying to feed people? It’s laughable.

Don't underestimate the American public. That report is pure gold and will be enforced once Trump is out of office. (And Billy Barr will face charges for misrepresenting it)

The American public is tired of your game. They will care even less down the road.

 

[saveliberty]

That kind of winning will come back to bite you in the ass. As fake stuff usually does.

You're in serious trouble then.

 

[SAYIT]

What part of clearly is giving you a hard time? If it is not clear, then you are found innocent by reasonable doubt at a minimum.

Did Mueller determine trump clearly did not obstruct justice?

No, he did not determine that. That means there's evidence trump may have obstructed justice. And Mueller included many examples of what may be considered obstruction. Such as asking McGahn to have Mueller fired.

And again, comparing the conclusions of volumes and and two... volume one -- there's no evidence trump colluded with Russia and Mueller said so; if there was evidence trump clearly did not obstruct justice, Mueller would have said so -- he didn't say so.

The next step is up to Democrats to decide what, if any, action(s) they will take.

Did Mueller determine trump clearly did not obstruct justice?

Bought yourself an un-warned trip to the list for posting the same thing(s) 100 times in this thread alone. Pathetic TDS sufferer extroidinaire. You may be one of the better loons, but not exempt from the list. You can however, earn your way back off. It is rare.....but possible. We'll see.

That's good, make it about me instead of the evidence.

Evidence is that President Trump got over 270 Electoral Votes on Election Day 2016. Get the fuck over already.

That, along with obstructing justice, is why he may now be impeached.

There has been no impediment to impeachment on any of the 900+ days Trump has served as POTUS and if our Hysterical House Dems had thought it in their best interest, they would have done so MONTHS ago.

IMPEACH!!!

 

[saveliberty]

About time to start another thread on the same topic since the liberal/progressives lost so poorly here.

 

[Obama2020]

Don't underestimate the American public. That report is pure gold and will be enforced once Trump is out of office. (And Billy Barr will face charges for misrepresenting it)

The American public is tired of your game. They will care even less down the road.

Checks and balances.... it's not a game. It's part of the constitution that Trump hates.

Good luck trying to save liberty without checks and balances LMAO

 

[saveliberty]

Checks and balances.... it's not a game. It's part of the constitution that Trump hates.

Good luck trying to save liberty without checks and balances LMAO

It isn't checks and balances when you ignore laws, base investigations strictly on political agenda and don't accept the report findings.

 

[rjs330]

Have you ever been in a courtroom in your life? Have you ever been in a position to sit on a jury or even read up on what the legal criteria is for guilt to be established? If there is insufficient evidence to charge or convict a person with a crime, the person is judged not guilty under the law. Of course a team of 17 Hillary supporting, Trump hating Democrats are not going to say they cleared the President of a crime. And they did their damndest to feed as much crap to the gullible haters out there who gobbled it up and want it to look like something incriminating. But for the record, they didn't clear anybody else they looked at or interrogated either.

But if they couldn't find a crime to accuse him with after looking at 1.4 million documents, after 500+ subpoenas, after spending between $25 and $50 million, it is pretty damn certain that they, you, or nobody else has a single leg to stand on to accuse him of a crime.

I write this as information for the rational and fair minded of course. I don't expect those afflicted with TDS to even read it, much less make any effort to understand it.

LOLOL

So to you, Mueller saying he would have so stated trump had not committed obstruction had that been where the evidence led him -- is the same as saying -- there was no evidence trump was involved with Russian election interference??

Yep. If he, or probably Weissmann who I believe wrote at least Part 2 of the report, had ANY evidence the President had obstructed in any way, they absolutely would have said so and would have led that portion of the report with it. And Mueller wouldn't have joined Barr in a joint statement verifying that there was no such evidence. And he wouldn't have corrected his misspeak in his testimony on Wednesday.

"had ANY evidence the President had obstructed in any way, they absolutely would have said so"

LOL

That's actually the opposite of what the report says...

"if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state."​

Righties can't git anything right.

Regardless, trump was cleared of collusion and Mueller said so. There was obstruction which is why Mueller wouldn't clear him of it.

Wrong, Mueller didn't say either way. He didn't clear him and he didn't accuse him. He made no determination whatsoever. You may have an opinion on the matter, but your opinion is irrelevant as is mine.

Mueller did clear trump of collusion. So why do you think he didn't clear him of obstruction?

Because whomever wrote it was unable to come to a conclusion. That's a far cry from an accusation that he broke the law. There was no accusation. There was no clearing.

 

[Obama2020]

Checks and balances.... it's not a game. It's part of the constitution that Trump hates.

Good luck trying to save liberty without checks and balances LMAO

It isn't checks and balances when you ignore laws, base investigations strictly on political agenda and don't accept the report findings.

Take your Trump glasses off.... might help LMAO

 

[Faun]

"Where is the obstruction? Mueller said that in no case was he prevented or hindered in obtaining any information."

Damn, you righties must all get your talking points from the same source. Y'all keep repeating that same debunked point...

CICILLINE: an unsuccessful attempt to obstruct justice is still a crime, is that correct?

MUELLER: That is correct.​

That exchange reaffirms obstruction is a crime, which it is. It does not say obstruction occurred however, which is what you implied incorrectly.

Someone pointed out Mueller's investigation was not hindered, as though that meant trump couldn't be guilty of obstruction.

I proved he could still be guilty of obstruction even if his attempts failed him.

 

[Bush92]

That kind of winning will come back to bite you in the ass. As fake stuff usually does.

You're in serious trouble then.

Awesome Democrats are clueless!