It's time whites started looking at themselves

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

DeAngelo is white and she opposes the argument you are trying to present.

I forgot to address this. I will do it here:

BECAUSE SHE IS A MARXIST COMMIE SHIT PUSHING HER REPEATEDLY-FAILED AND WORTHLESS POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY VIA RACE HUSTLING!!!

How was that?

.

 

[IM2]

The problem with all this bullshit coming from most of the whites in this thread is that fact that blacks have worked on black on black crime white whites have done nothing but point fingers at us while killing each other in the same numbers and at the same rate. We blacks don't get to make excuses about being individuals in this forum or this country and that is an excuse I will keep rejecting on this matter of racism BECAUSE RACISM HAS NOT AFFECTED JUST A FEW INDIVIDUALS, IT HAS ACTUALLY AFFECTED OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY.

“Homicide rates for— black children under age 5 declined 36% between 1993 and 2008, dropping from 11.3 homicides per 100,000 in 1993 to 7.2 homicides per 100,000 in 2008. Black children under age 5 have remained substantially higher than rates for white children or children of other races. White children under age 5 remained relatively stable between 1980 and 1990, with an average rate of 2.4 homicides per 100,000. The rate rose to 2.8 homicides per 100,000 by 1996, then dropped down to 2.1 homicides per 100,000 in 2006. Since 2006 the rate has risen slightly to 2.3 homicides per 100,000 in 2008.”

The offending rate for blacks showed a similar pattern to the victimization rate, peaking in the early 1990s at a high of 51.1 off enders per 100,000 in 1991. After 1991, the offending rate for blacks declined until it reached 24 per 100,000 in 2004. The rate has since fluctuated, increasing to 28.4 offenders per 100,000 in 2006 before falling again to 24.7 offenders per 100,000 in 2008.”

“The offending rate for black male young adults —

Dropped by more than half from 1993 to 2008. “

These facts show the utter silliness and nonsense McDonald, Giuliani and similar whites share relative to the issue of black on black crime. This information shows that black on black crime had been actually reduced over a 15 years span and that was due to the very hard work of unknown, not so famous blacks toiling in obscurity in our cities all over this country. These are the stories that rarely get told by the media.

“From 1994 to 2015, white-on-white violence (down 79%) and black-on-black violence (down 78%) declined at a similar rate.”

This bit of information comes from a report issued in October of 2017 by the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics. The title is, “Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-15.” This report shows that for a 21 year period of time, while whites and most of the American media were promoting a narrative of high black on black crime, the reality is that black on black crime was being reduced. It also shows that most crimes are intra-racial and that whites were victimized by other whites primarily and at approximately the same percentage.

“During 2012-15, there were no differences among white, black, and Hispanic intraracial victimizations reported to police.”

On August 15, 2013, The Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice published a paper by Mike Males entitled, “Why the Gigantic, Decades-Long Drop in Black Youth Crime Threatens Major Interests”. The data was ignored basically, even by President Obama. But the implications of this study were so important that it was a dereliction of duty to not make this information widely known to the American public.

"For nearly all serious and minor offenses, including homicide, rates among black teenagers nationally were lower in 2011 than when racial statistics were first collected nationally in 1964. Black youths’ murder arrest rates are considerably lower today than back when Bill Cosby was funny (long, long ago)."

Why the Gigantic, Decades-Long Drop in Black Youth Crime Threatens Major Interests

How can such an encouraging development as a massive drop in youth crime be treated as such bad news that no one will even talk about it? It's worse than that: politicians, crime lobbies, and the news media needs black youths to be murderous thugs.

www.cjcj.org

It's time whites started looking at themselves

 

[IM2]

DeAngelo is white and she opposes the argument you are trying to present.

I forgot to address this. I will do it here:

BECAUSE SHE IS A MARXIST COMMIE SHIT PUSHING HER REPEATEDLY-FAILED AND WORTHLESS POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY VIA RACE HUSTLING!!!

How was that?

.

You seem to have a problem accepting certain truths Bootney. One is that any white person pushing racial equality is not some commie pushing an agenda. Number 2, whites have historically acted like a collective. Number 3, race has always been a consideration for everything in this country. Stop pretending it's not. I don't abide gaslighting Bootney and I am out of patience with whites here who try it. Until you face these truths your arguments make no sense. your whining is off topic. 81 percent of all whites who get murdered are murdered by another white. That's a high rate of white on white killing that whites need to address. Stop going off topic creating diversion and whining about crazy bullshit and understand that it is time whites started looking at themselves.

 

[MizMolly]

It gets old being painted a racist , just because we're born WHITE

~S~

What does IM2 want me to do? Adopt a couple black babies, marry a black mammy, and start voting for Democrats?

He would find something racist about that.

 

[MizMolly]

The problem with all this bullshit coming from most of the whites in this thread is that fact that blacks have worked on black on black crime white whites have done nothing but point fingers at us while killing each other in the same numbers and at the same rate. We blacks don't get to make excuses about being individuals in this forum or this country and that is an excuse I will keep rejecting on this matter of racism BECAUSE RACISM HAS NOT AFFECTED JUST A FEW INDIVIDUALS, IT HAS ACTUALLY AFFECTED OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY.

“Homicide rates for— black children under age 5 declined 36% between 1993 and 2008, dropping from 11.3 homicides per 100,000 in 1993 to 7.2 homicides per 100,000 in 2008. Black children under age 5 have remained substantially higher than rates for white children or children of other races. White children under age 5 remained relatively stable between 1980 and 1990, with an average rate of 2.4 homicides per 100,000. The rate rose to 2.8 homicides per 100,000 by 1996, then dropped down to 2.1 homicides per 100,000 in 2006. Since 2006 the rate has risen slightly to 2.3 homicides per 100,000 in 2008.”

The offending rate for blacks showed a similar pattern to the victimization rate, peaking in the early 1990s at a high of 51.1 off enders per 100,000 in 1991. After 1991, the offending rate for blacks declined until it reached 24 per 100,000 in 2004. The rate has since fluctuated, increasing to 28.4 offenders per 100,000 in 2006 before falling again to 24.7 offenders per 100,000 in 2008.”

“The offending rate for black male young adults —

Dropped by more than half from 1993 to 2008. “

These facts show the utter silliness and nonsense McDonald, Giuliani and similar whites share relative to the issue of black on black crime. This information shows that black on black crime had been actually reduced over a 15 years span and that was due to the very hard work of unknown, not so famous blacks toiling in obscurity in our cities all over this country. These are the stories that rarely get told by the media.

“From 1994 to 2015, white-on-white violence (down 79%) and black-on-black violence (down 78%) declined at a similar rate.”

This bit of information comes from a report issued in October of 2017 by the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics. The title is, “Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-15.” This report shows that for a 21 year period of time, while whites and most of the American media were promoting a narrative of high black on black crime, the reality is that black on black crime was being reduced. It also shows that most crimes are intra-racial and that whites were victimized by other whites primarily and at approximately the same percentage.

“During 2012-15, there were no differences among white, black, and Hispanic intraracial victimizations reported to police.”

On August 15, 2013, The Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice published a paper by Mike Males entitled, “Why the Gigantic, Decades-Long Drop in Black Youth Crime Threatens Major Interests”. The data was ignored basically, even by President Obama. But the implications of this study were so important that it was a dereliction of duty to not make this information widely known to the American public.

"For nearly all serious and minor offenses, including homicide, rates among black teenagers nationally were lower in 2011 than when racial statistics were first collected nationally in 1964. Black youths’ murder arrest rates are considerably lower today than back when Bill Cosby was funny (long, long ago)."

Why the Gigantic, Decades-Long Drop in Black Youth Crime Threatens Major Interests

How can such an encouraging development as a massive drop in youth crime be treated as such bad news that no one will even talk about it? It's worse than that: politicians, crime lobbies, and the news media needs black youths to be murderous thugs.

www.cjcj.org

It's time whites started looking at themselves

You make excuses for everything negative about blacks.

 

[Levant]

These sermons about personal responsibility from the right wing whites around here gets old. They always have an excuse for themselves but everybody else needs to take responsibility. They post threads showing blacks beating or killing whites to make a false claim of blacks attacking whites like it's some major epidemic. But it's not.

In 2018 according to the Uniform Crime Reports, 3,315 whites were murdered that year. 2,677 were killed by another white, 514 were killed by a black person. Whites were 5 times more likely to be killed by another white person than a black person. These numbers do not indicate a major epidemic of blacks killing whites. What it shows is that the media ignores a very large problem in the white community where 81 percent of all whites who are killed are killed by another white person. Now I don't know about you but 81 percent is a pretty high number and this and higher percentages of white on while murder have been completely ignored by the media for decades. Instead the media has made a big thing out of black on black crime reinforcing a white racist belief of black violence.

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

ucr.fbi.gov

As we read the consistent racist attempts to create this narrative, you don't see blacks here trying to find excuses to justify the killing or beatings of whites by blacks even though we have 243 years worth of reasons to do so. Nobody is excusing the blacks that killed those old white people even though they were born during segregation and participated in racism against blacks. But when someone black get killed in a racist incident whites here scurry to look for reasons to justify the killing.

In the case of Ahmaud Arbery, he was convicted of a crime years before this killing and faced his punishment. But that doesn't matter to the racists, he committed a crime so his death was warranted. Well what about this one?

St. Paul Man Charged For Killing Unarmed Black Man, Thought He Was A Gang Member



In 2018 according to the AMERICAN Uniform Crime Reports, 3,315 whites were murdered that year. 2,925 blacks were murdered. So in addition to the fact that 81 percent of all whites who were killed were killed by another white person, more whites were killed than blacks. Even more important in debunking this lie of black attacks and killing is the fact that more whites killed each other(2677) than blacks who killed each other(2600). So again, the media has not hidden black on white crime, that's a lie, instead the media has made a big thing out of black on black crime while ignoring white on white crime reinforcing a white racist belief of black violence.

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

ucr.fbi.gov

Racist whites here want to run there mouths about blacks killing twice as many whites as whites do blacks. That's a disingenuous claim made to race bait. 2 is twice the number of 1 and it is this kind of low number argument these racist use here and no one, flacaltenn, challenges this.

In 2018 according to the Uniform Crime Reports, 3,315 whites were murdered that year. 2,677 were killed by another white, 514 were killed by a black person. Whites were 5 times more likely to be killed by another white person than a black person. What it shows is that the media ignores a very large problem in the white community where 81 percent of all whites who are killed are killed by another white person. Again, 81 percent is a pretty high number and this and higher percentages of white on while murder have been completely ignored by the media for decades. Instead the media has made a big thing out of black on black crime reinforcing a white racist belief of black violence.

It's time whites started looking at themselves.

Racism sucks. Crime sucks. But I'm white and not a racist and not a criminal so I don't need to look at myself for either reason.

I think the numbers are interesting on both sides..

Until the day that there's just "community" instead of white community and black community, the number one thing both communities should be looking at is who kills the most of their own community. They need to introspect their own world and their role in it and work to make their sphere of influence and concern a better place.

That's why the numbers matter for black on black violence. As hard as life can be for anyone, why make your own community life harder? Why do communities focus so much on those who are not killing them and ignore those who are?

That's why the numbers matter for white on white violence. As hard as life can be for anyone, why make your own community life harder? Why do communities focus so much on those who are not killing them and ignore those who are?

Should I copy/paste for hispanic people? For Asians? For Muslims?

The best tool of the oppressor in your own community is to point the finger out of the community and blame someone far less dangerous to you than the oppressor within. That way you're tricked into focusing on some remote bogeyman and don't see the one at your doorstep.

 

[Levant]

The problem with all this bullshit coming from most of the whites in this thread is that fact that blacks have worked on black on black crime white whites have done nothing but point fingers at us while killing each other in the same numbers and at the same rate. We blacks don't get to make excuses about being individuals in this forum or this country and that is an excuse I will keep rejecting on this matter of racism BECAUSE RACISM HAS NOT AFFECTED JUST A FEW INDIVIDUALS, IT HAS ACTUALLY AFFECTED OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY.

“Homicide rates for— black children under age 5 declined 36% between 1993 and 2008, dropping from 11.3 homicides per 100,000 in 1993 to 7.2 homicides per 100,000 in 2008. Black children under age 5 have remained substantially higher than rates for white children or children of other races. White children under age 5 remained relatively stable between 1980 and 1990, with an average rate of 2.4 homicides per 100,000. The rate rose to 2.8 homicides per 100,000 by 1996, then dropped down to 2.1 homicides per 100,000 in 2006. Since 2006 the rate has risen slightly to 2.3 homicides per 100,000 in 2008.”

The offending rate for blacks showed a similar pattern to the victimization rate, peaking in the early 1990s at a high of 51.1 off enders per 100,000 in 1991. After 1991, the offending rate for blacks declined until it reached 24 per 100,000 in 2004. The rate has since fluctuated, increasing to 28.4 offenders per 100,000 in 2006 before falling again to 24.7 offenders per 100,000 in 2008.”

“The offending rate for black male young adults —

Dropped by more than half from 1993 to 2008. “

These facts show the utter silliness and nonsense McDonald, Giuliani and similar whites share relative to the issue of black on black crime. This information shows that black on black crime had been actually reduced over a 15 years span and that was due to the very hard work of unknown, not so famous blacks toiling in obscurity in our cities all over this country. These are the stories that rarely get told by the media.

“From 1994 to 2015, white-on-white violence (down 79%) and black-on-black violence (down 78%) declined at a similar rate.”

This bit of information comes from a report issued in October of 2017 by the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics. The title is, “Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-15.” This report shows that for a 21 year period of time, while whites and most of the American media were promoting a narrative of high black on black crime, the reality is that black on black crime was being reduced. It also shows that most crimes are intra-racial and that whites were victimized by other whites primarily and at approximately the same percentage.

“During 2012-15, there were no differences among white, black, and Hispanic intraracial victimizations reported to police.”

On August 15, 2013, The Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice published a paper by Mike Males entitled, “Why the Gigantic, Decades-Long Drop in Black Youth Crime Threatens Major Interests”. The data was ignored basically, even by President Obama. But the implications of this study were so important that it was a dereliction of duty to not make this information widely known to the American public.

"For nearly all serious and minor offenses, including homicide, rates among black teenagers nationally were lower in 2011 than when racial statistics were first collected nationally in 1964. Black youths’ murder arrest rates are considerably lower today than back when Bill Cosby was funny (long, long ago)."

Why the Gigantic, Decades-Long Drop in Black Youth Crime Threatens Major Interests

How can such an encouraging development as a massive drop in youth crime be treated as such bad news that no one will even talk about it? It's worse than that: politicians, crime lobbies, and the news media needs black youths to be murderous thugs.

www.cjcj.org

It's time whites started looking at themselves

Like I said; the numbers are interesting both ways - but neither community, along with every other major social divide: hispanic, asian, Muslim, are doing a crappy job in protecting lives and building community. We all suck. And we all should be concerned not only about our own house but about our community and all of the communities in our world - so it's OK for me to be worried about 5-year-old black children and for you to be worried about 5-year-old white children.

What's not OK is the constant back and forth, almost stating it outright, but certainly insinuating that because more of your people are killing your people it's ok if my people kill your people.. and that goes across all races, too.

That's why I am glad I am a conservative. Even if ignorantly sometimes, I can say that I care about all of the 5-year-olds. Leftists and fake conservatives/Republicans, don't seem to care about any 5-year-old.

 

[Levant]

Ever single post about race, claims everyone else is a "racist"

Inneresting, no?

Interesting, no. The amount of racism on this forum is pretty high.

I guess IM2 could flood the pages with short, simple, easy, posts on every topic or he can offer the quality dissertations he offers. I don't always agree with him but he puts more work into what he's saying than probably all the rest of us.

 

[MizMolly]

Ever single post about race, claims everyone else is a "racist"

Inneresting, no?

Interesting, no. The amount of racism on this forum is pretty high.

I guess IM2 could flood the pages with short, simple, easy, posts on every topic or he can offer the quality dissertations he offers. I don't always agree with him but he puts more work into what he's saying than probably all the rest of us.

He is obsessed with copying and pasting travesties of the past and blames whites today for all the woes of black people.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ever single post about race, claims everyone else is a "racist"

Inneresting, no?

Interesting, no. The amount of racism on this forum is pretty high.

I guess IM2 could flood the pages with short, simple, easy, posts on every topic or he can offer the quality dissertations he offers. I don't always agree with him but he puts more work into what he's saying than probably all the rest of us.

Clearly, you're a racist

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

One is that any white person pushing racial equality is not some commie pushing an agenda.

NOT ONE COCKSUCKING THING THAT COMMIE BITCH MENTIONED IS A PUSH FOR RACIAL EQUALITY. SHE IS PUSHING COMMIE BULLSHIT!!!

whites have historically acted like a collective.

BULLSHIT!!! PROVE IT!!! And don't give me any shit about We the People.

race has always been a consideration for everything in this country. Stop pretending it's not. I don't abide gaslighting Bootney and I am out of patience with whites here who try it.

When is it gonna ever stop???

Who is gaslighting, telling us completely benign matters or actions are racism?

Who is bullshitting us all about free markets being raciat?

I AM THE ONE LOSING MY PATIENCE WITH THIS COMMIE BULLSHIT!!

Stop going off topic creating diversion and whining about crazy bullshit and understand that it is time whites started looking at themselves.

You're the one who posted bullshit from a goose-stepping Bolshevik twat exploiting the plight of black folks to push her pinko commie agenda. I DO NOT TOLERATE MARXISTS KKUNTS!!!

KILL A COMMIE FOR MOMMY!!!

If you want to persuade anyone, drop the Marxist dipshits. They do nothing but discredit you.

..

 

[Levant]

I thought some of Bootney's responses were interesting and I understand where he's coming from. But here are my responses to the same segments Bootney responded to.

"Because most whites have not been trained to think with complexity about racism, and because it benefits white dominance not to do so, we have a very limited understanding of it (Kumashiro, 2009; LaDuke, 2009). We are the least likely to see, comprehend, or be invested in validating people of color’s assertions of racism and being honest about their consequences (King, 1991). At the same time, because of white social, economic, and political power within a white dominant culture, whites are the group in the position to legitimize people of color’s assertions of racism.Being in this position engenders a form of racial arrogance, and in this racial arrogance, whites have little compunction about debating the knowledge of people who have thought deeply about race through research, study, peer-reviewed scholarship, deep and on-going critical self-reflection, interracial relationships, and lived experience (Chinnery, 2008). This expertise is often trivialized and countered with simplistic platitudes, such as “people just need to see each other as individuals” or “see each other as humans” or “take personal responsibility.”

People just need to see each other as individuals or humans, etc., is simplistic as you suggest. White people cannot understand the black circumstance in America and we, as a group, never will. But these statements at least represent us trying. Give us that much credit, please. But we will never think with complexity about racism. For us, racism is a nuisance; at most, even BLM, Watts riots, you name it, racism is just a distraction in our lives.

On the other hand, it seems to me, that for black people, especially those who are trying or even seriously thinking of trying, to make something of themselves, either from wealthy roots or slum roots, racism is a huge consideration for them that seldom drops in importance to just being a nuisance.

But I can't take your load. I, as an individual, didn't create it and I can't solve it.

White lack of racial humility often leads to declarations of disagreement when in fact the problem is that we do not understand. Whites generally feel free to dismiss informed perspectives rather than have the humility to acknowledge that they are unfamiliar, reflect on them further, seek more information, or sustain a dialogue (DiAngelo & Sensoy, 2009)."

You've presented me with several viewpoints and study paths that I hadn't heard before. Some of them are radically different from my world view and could shake up my world - but, I'm confident, won't change my overall conservative view. Others are interesting perspectives from yourself and from black historians and scholars that have opinions different from mine - different opinions are far less threatening than disproving my facts. These views are worth studying and for me to understand. But, still, in the end, it is up to each and every inner city black kid,as he reaches the age of accountability and is looking to the future, to decide whether he's going to live as a victim or as a champion.

That said, just a little less in-the-face hatred would make it a little easier to get ahead... and that last said, I'm sure you don't need my kindness and understanding to reach your potential. So me learning more helps me but you have to help yourself.

I've not fathered a child out of wedlock, but I have hear about if from you whites here.

We all do too much generalization around here. That's probably why we come here - we can be obnoxious without consequence.

I have a high school diploma, an associates degree, a bachelors degree and a masters degree, but I have to hear about blacks not wanting to be educated by whites like you here. I have never been on welfare, but I have to hear about it from whites like you here.

Good point. I don't have a great response to that but to say that we should treat everyone like individuals... or as human beings.

All the "I am an individual" is never considered by you motherfuckers when it comes to blacks so just stop whining that fake ass shit to me here right now.

I agree.. and try to remember we're individuals, too.. You forgot to say you're a human being.

I had to hear about black on black crime endlessly from you bastards and now that you are asked to look at your damn selves, here comes the whining about how you are an individual and how I am opposed to individual mother fucking rights because I present a case for you to take a look at about a problem in your own community.

Not that it will help, but I think it is the attack on our guns by inner city mayors and leftist governors who are blaming white people and their AR-15s for all the gun crime when it is not the case that yields those black crime statements... (had to edit out as I started to talk about black on black crime).. I think what we really want, for ourselves and for inner city communities, is for those mayors to recognize that the solution to gun crime in the city actually is more guns. We want to see inner city mothers and fathers and brothers protecting their neighborhoods. We want to see them en masse walk down their streets and facing off the gangs.

“ I posit that the Discourse of Individualism functions to: deny the significance of race and the advantages of being white; hide the accumulation of wealth over generations; deny social and historical context; prevent a macro analysis of the institutional and structural dimensions of social life; deny collective socialization and the power of dominant culture (media, education, religion, etc.) to shape our perspectives and ideology; function as neo-colorblindness and reproduce the myth of meritocracy; and make collective action difficult. Further, being viewed as an individual is a privilege only available to the dominant group. I explicate each of these discursive effects and argue that while we may be considered individuals in general, white insistence on Individualism in discussions of racism in particular functions to obscure and maintain racism.”

What would you have us do, as individuals and as a majority community? One can be a perpetual victim or they can (and it seems that you, as an individual have) make the best of the world they're in. Again, I'd like to hear just what it is that you think I, as an individual, and me as part of the white community, should do to fix this.

 

[Levant]

He is obsessed with copying and pasting travesties of the past and blames whites today for all the woes of black people.

Well, debate him. Prove him wrong. I'm actually hoping to do that but he's an A-game player here and I don't want to start it until I'm in a position to bring my own A game. Tonight, I'm too sleepy and am going to bed.

 

[IM2]

These sermons about personal responsibility from the right wing whites around here gets old. They always have an excuse for themselves but everybody else needs to take responsibility. They post threads showing blacks beating or killing whites to make a false claim of blacks attacking whites like it's some major epidemic. But it's not.

In 2018 according to the Uniform Crime Reports, 3,315 whites were murdered that year. 2,677 were killed by another white, 514 were killed by a black person. Whites were 5 times more likely to be killed by another white person than a black person. These numbers do not indicate a major epidemic of blacks killing whites. What it shows is that the media ignores a very large problem in the white community where 81 percent of all whites who are killed are killed by another white person. Now I don't know about you but 81 percent is a pretty high number and this and higher percentages of white on while murder have been completely ignored by the media for decades. Instead the media has made a big thing out of black on black crime reinforcing a white racist belief of black violence.

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

ucr.fbi.gov

As we read the consistent racist attempts to create this narrative, you don't see blacks here trying to find excuses to justify the killing or beatings of whites by blacks even though we have 243 years worth of reasons to do so. Nobody is excusing the blacks that killed those old white people even though they were born during segregation and participated in racism against blacks. But when someone black get killed in a racist incident whites here scurry to look for reasons to justify the killing.

In the case of Ahmaud Arbery, he was convicted of a crime years before this killing and faced his punishment. But that doesn't matter to the racists, he committed a crime so his death was warranted. Well what about this one?

St. Paul Man Charged For Killing Unarmed Black Man, Thought He Was A Gang Member



In 2018 according to the AMERICAN Uniform Crime Reports, 3,315 whites were murdered that year. 2,925 blacks were murdered. So in addition to the fact that 81 percent of all whites who were killed were killed by another white person, more whites were killed than blacks. Even more important in debunking this lie of black attacks and killing is the fact that more whites killed each other(2677) than blacks who killed each other(2600). So again, the media has not hidden black on white crime, that's a lie, instead the media has made a big thing out of black on black crime while ignoring white on white crime reinforcing a white racist belief of black violence.

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

ucr.fbi.gov

Racist whites here want to run there mouths about blacks killing twice as many whites as whites do blacks. That's a disingenuous claim made to race bait. 2 is twice the number of 1 and it is this kind of low number argument these racist use here and no one, flacaltenn, challenges this.

In 2018 according to the Uniform Crime Reports, 3,315 whites were murdered that year. 2,677 were killed by another white, 514 were killed by a black person. Whites were 5 times more likely to be killed by another white person than a black person. What it shows is that the media ignores a very large problem in the white community where 81 percent of all whites who are killed are killed by another white person. Again, 81 percent is a pretty high number and this and higher percentages of white on while murder have been completely ignored by the media for decades. Instead the media has made a big thing out of black on black crime reinforcing a white racist belief of black violence.

It's time whites started looking at themselves.

Racism sucks. Crime sucks. But I'm white and not a racist and not a criminal so I don't need to look at myself for either reason.

I think the numbers are interesting on both sides..

Until the day that there's just "community" instead of white community and black community, the number one thing both communities should be looking at is who kills the most of their own community. They need to introspect their own world and their role in it and work to make their sphere of influence and concern a better place.

That's why the numbers matter for black on black violence. As hard as life can be for anyone, why make your own community life harder? Why do communities focus so much on those who are not killing them and ignore those who are?

That's why the numbers matter for white on white violence. As hard as life can be for anyone, why make your own community life harder? Why do communities focus so much on those who are not killing them and ignore those who are?

Should I copy/paste for hispanic people? For Asians? For Muslims?

The best tool of the oppressor in your own community is to point the finger out of the community and blame someone far less dangerous to you than the oppressor within. That way you're tricked into focusing on some remote bogeyman and don't see the one at your doorstep.

And so we have been concerned about crime in our own community, but whites have spent so much more time talking about blacks killing blacks that they ignore the fact they kill each other in the same numbers and more than 80 percent of all whites killed are killed by another white. In this forum we read about how blacks kill whites at twice the number whites kill blacks but when we start talking about whites killing each other at 5 times the rate blacks kill whites then we get into loon land and whites start talking about being individuals then we get the 13 percent excuse, per capita and how I can't do math and all kinds of nutjob bullshit.

We know why things happen in the black community and it has nothing to do with a remote boogey man but real white racists. Now when I say that it is not to excuse any wrongdoing but it is to point out the cause. A black person like Obama ended up being the first black president because white racism motivated him to doing what it took to get to that position. White racism made Warren Moon a hall of fame QB because racists told him he was too dumb to be a QB. But white racism has also caused a group of 40 million people to be on edge, stressed out and angry to the point that anything can set off a fuse that causes violence. I'm just speaking about blacks here other people of color will tell you the same thing.

There are psychological consequences to the 243 years of consistent white racism that whites never face and then want to tell us that it is not so. And that's the problem in having this discussion . You have 47 million blacks living with PTSD and that is the result of white racism. So then when I talk about this its time for most of these guys to stop sending me repeats of what you hear a white radio talk show host tell you. I am telling y9ou whites here that there has been serious damage done to people of color because of the consistent whites racism in this country. All people of color and this is something that must be fixed before we start talking about colorblind and community. Whites fractured that when they decided to make laws excluding others and enforced them for almost 200 years.

So if we are going to be a community, things need to be recognized and work done. By whites, because people of color have done work and every time we try mentioning things to whites you don't listen. Just think about this, how many black people do you figure right now are scared to just go jogging? I don't go out after the sun goes down myself because I live in a racist Kansas town and have been unnecessarily harassed by police. This is what we live with and when we see incidents of racism like Arbery, it just refreshes the PTSD. In every black person living in America. That is not good, yet whites continue doing it, and if we dare say it is happening we get called all kinds of crazy things like what I will be called by some of these whites here after this post.

That's fascism folks, and that is what America has amounted to for blacks. Even when we had a black president, if he had decided to do what was needed for blacks he would not have made it out of his first term and he was supposed to be the leader of the free world. So think about what kind of message that really sends to blacks. It is not that a black man can achieve the highest office, it is that no matter how much power a black is supposed to have, they never get the power they are supposed to get that comes with the position.

Now here comes the name calling.

 

[ninja007]

im2 if whites wanted to really take over the blacks we would, but we dont because most of us are civil. We have the majority of the guns weapons and equipment.

 

[ninja007]

funny how im2 is quiet on all the white genocide going on in africa.

 

[IM2]

The problem with all this bullshit coming from most of the whites in this thread is that fact that blacks have worked on black on black crime white whites have done nothing but point fingers at us while killing each other in the same numbers and at the same rate. We blacks don't get to make excuses about being individuals in this forum or this country and that is an excuse I will keep rejecting on this matter of racism BECAUSE RACISM HAS NOT AFFECTED JUST A FEW INDIVIDUALS, IT HAS ACTUALLY AFFECTED OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY.

“Homicide rates for— black children under age 5 declined 36% between 1993 and 2008, dropping from 11.3 homicides per 100,000 in 1993 to 7.2 homicides per 100,000 in 2008. Black children under age 5 have remained substantially higher than rates for white children or children of other races. White children under age 5 remained relatively stable between 1980 and 1990, with an average rate of 2.4 homicides per 100,000. The rate rose to 2.8 homicides per 100,000 by 1996, then dropped down to 2.1 homicides per 100,000 in 2006. Since 2006 the rate has risen slightly to 2.3 homicides per 100,000 in 2008.”

The offending rate for blacks showed a similar pattern to the victimization rate, peaking in the early 1990s at a high of 51.1 off enders per 100,000 in 1991. After 1991, the offending rate for blacks declined until it reached 24 per 100,000 in 2004. The rate has since fluctuated, increasing to 28.4 offenders per 100,000 in 2006 before falling again to 24.7 offenders per 100,000 in 2008.”

“The offending rate for black male young adults —

Dropped by more than half from 1993 to 2008. “

These facts show the utter silliness and nonsense McDonald, Giuliani and similar whites share relative to the issue of black on black crime. This information shows that black on black crime had been actually reduced over a 15 years span and that was due to the very hard work of unknown, not so famous blacks toiling in obscurity in our cities all over this country. These are the stories that rarely get told by the media.

“From 1994 to 2015, white-on-white violence (down 79%) and black-on-black violence (down 78%) declined at a similar rate.”

This bit of information comes from a report issued in October of 2017 by the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics. The title is, “Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-15.” This report shows that for a 21 year period of time, while whites and most of the American media were promoting a narrative of high black on black crime, the reality is that black on black crime was being reduced. It also shows that most crimes are intra-racial and that whites were victimized by other whites primarily and at approximately the same percentage.

“During 2012-15, there were no differences among white, black, and Hispanic intraracial victimizations reported to police.”

On August 15, 2013, The Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice published a paper by Mike Males entitled, “Why the Gigantic, Decades-Long Drop in Black Youth Crime Threatens Major Interests”. The data was ignored basically, even by President Obama. But the implications of this study were so important that it was a dereliction of duty to not make this information widely known to the American public.

"For nearly all serious and minor offenses, including homicide, rates among black teenagers nationally were lower in 2011 than when racial statistics were first collected nationally in 1964. Black youths’ murder arrest rates are considerably lower today than back when Bill Cosby was funny (long, long ago)."

Why the Gigantic, Decades-Long Drop in Black Youth Crime Threatens Major Interests

How can such an encouraging development as a massive drop in youth crime be treated as such bad news that no one will even talk about it? It's worse than that: politicians, crime lobbies, and the news media needs black youths to be murderous thugs.

www.cjcj.org

It's time whites started looking at themselves

Like I said; the numbers are interesting both ways - but neither community, along with every other major social divide: hispanic, asian, Muslim, are doing a crappy job in protecting lives and building community. We all suck. And we all should be concerned not only about our own house but about our community and all of the communities in our world - so it's OK for me to be worried about 5-year-old black children and for you to be worried about 5-year-old white children.

What's not OK is the constant back and forth, almost stating it outright, but certainly insinuating that because more of your people are killing your people it's ok if my people kill your people.. and that goes across all races, too.

That's why I am glad I am a conservative. Even if ignorantly sometimes, I can say that I care about all of the 5-year-olds. Leftists and fake conservatives/Republicans, don't seem to care about any 5-year-old.

I don't think you can say that about so called leftists. You conservatives are no better than anyone else. You see levant If 5 year old blacks have it harder than 5 year old whites, everybody ends up weakened. And that's where this belief you claim conservatives have fails. Racism by whites hascost this nation trillions. Let me show you an example because the right thinks far too simplistically about things, they believe that if I fight for blacks whites lose when in reality both sides win.

On October 24, 2013, the Kellogg Foundation sent out a press release about a report they had done entitled, “The Business Case for Racial Equity”. This was a study done by the Kellogg Foundation, using information it had studied and assessed from the Center for American Progress, National Urban League Policy Institute, Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies and the U.S. Department of Justice.

“Striving for racial equity – a world where race is no longer a factor in the distribution of opportunity – is a matter of social justice. But moving toward racial equity can generate significant economic returns as well. When people face barriers to achieving their full potential, the loss of talent, creativity, energy, and productivity is a burden not only for those disadvantaged, but for communities, businesses, governments, and the economy as a whole. Initial research on the magnitude of this burden in the United States (U.S.), as highlighted in this brief, reveals impacts in the trillions of dollars in lost earnings, avoidable public expenditures, and lost economic output.”

The Kellogg Foundation and Altarum Institute​

In 2011, DEMOS did a study named “The Racial Wealth Gap, Why Policy Matters”, which discussed the racial wealth gap, the problems associated with it along with solutions and outcomes if the gap did not exist. In this study DEMOS determined that the racial wealth gap was primarily driven by policy decisions.

“The U.S. racial wealth gap is substantial and is driven by public policy decisions. According to our analysis of the SIPP data, in 2011 the median white household had $111,146 in wealth holdings, compared to just $7,113 for the median Black household and $8,348 for the median Latino household. From the continuing impact of redlining on American homeownership to the retreat from desegregation in public education, public policy has shaped these disparities, leaving them impossible to overcome without racially-aware policy change.”

Groups like DEMOS, the Kellogg Foundation, Altarum Institute, Pew Research and others have done extensive research on the public policies that created these disparities. As we look at the numbers, we see what has caused our economic problem and it’s not the loss of jobs by the white working class. The numbers show us that many of our national difficulties do not have to exist. For example, there are almost 17 million black households. 16,997,000 to be exact. There are 17,318,000 Latino households. The median white household had an income of $50,400 a year while the median income was $32,028 for Blacks and $36,840 for Latinos. That difference of $18,372 for blacks and $13,560 for Latinos equals a combined loss of $31,932 for over 34 million households each year. It is a loss of over 1/2 trillion dollars of taxable income annually. In addition, racism erases billions of dollars that can be circulated in our economy. These are huge losses created because of racist public policy.

Over the course of the past several decades we have heard over and over how if we cut taxes we stimulate growth. But it seems that if we erase racism, racist policies and racist policy decisions that adversely affects COMMUNITIES, that we could erase many of the problems we see today. We are talking about serious increases in GDP, debt/deficit reductions, increased tax revenue, more tax payers instead of more needing public assistance, increased corporate profits which means more jobs and yet there remains a great resistance to do this. Again, racism is more than racial slurs or racist comments. Racism in America has had a negative economic impact on the black community, other communities of color and in fact, the entire country.

 

[IM2]

im2 if whites wanted to really take over the blacks we would, but we dont because most of us are civil. We have the majority of the guns weapons and equipment.

No you couldn't because the majority of whites would not participate.

 

[IM2]

funny how im2 is quiet on all the white genocide going on in africa.

I'm quiet because there is no white genocide going on in Africa and I live in America.

This is an example of the crazy I get when I mention what whites are doing in America. This has nothing to do with this motherfucking thread.

 

[IM2]

He is obsessed with copying and pasting travesties of the past and blames whites today for all the woes of black people.

Well, debate him. Prove him wrong. I'm actually hoping to do that but he's an A-game player here and I don't want to start it until I'm in a position to bring my own A game. Tonight, I'm too sleepy and am going to bed.

Molly lives by the teflon theory of history while ignoring the continuing repetition of things she says were in the past and are now long gone.