JFK false flag victim

[rightwinger]

At 5:50 to 6:30 Dr Crenshaw admits the Parkland doctors knew the Warren Report was a lie and did not challenge the Warren Report lie for nearly 30 years.,,,,,
"we went along to get along" Oswald exonerated.

Oswald acted alone

 

[rightwinger]

you could make that argument if Oswald worked there 2 years.

but he was placed in that building 2 months before Kennedy drove by.
logic says he planned for at least 2 months

Oswald started working there before JFK even announced he would visit Dallas





He learned of the parade rout the day before

Not much of a conspiracy

the parade route was announced in the paper 2 months before, and about the sane time Oswald took employment.
being an insider he would have known about the route before it was printed.

...then the route was changed to accommodate the assassins

Wrong.

The motorcade route was not announced two months before it was in fact announced only two days before the actual arrival of Kennedy and as we have shown Oswald probably only read about it the day before the shooting.

You are lying period and the facts prove you wrong.

You have no evidence he was an insider and the route was never changed until the shooting when they then went to the hospital.

It was a spontaneous decision by Oswald who had previously tried to assassinated Gen Walker with the same gun

A desperate plea for attention

Possibly but likely a mix of different motives.

Motive for him to murder Kennedy is the most difficult part to nail down. He died before he could explain his motives or be examined.

HE probably viewed Kennedy as an enemy of communism. Although Kennedy was viewed as a liberal he was also famous for backing down the Soviets in the Cuban Missile crises..

Oswald also fancied himself a hero of the revolution and felt that assassinating the right person might trigger the uprising of the proletariat and the revolution would follow. He often remarked to his wife that she was married to the future prime minister of the United Socialist States of America.

Finally he had an over inflated view of his own importance. In the weeks before the shooting he seems to have been coming to grips with the fact that he was an obscure nobody who would never make the history books. He was working in a more diligent fashion to keep his job whereas before he was lackadaisical in maintaining steady employment. He was also learning to drive and probably even looking into buying a used car. He expressed a desire to his wife to get the family back together and support them.

Of course that all went out the window when he looked at a newspaper and realized that a once in a lifetime opportunity was about to cross his path and he could actually make it into the history books.

Any combination of these and even other motives are what drove him.

Agree...we will never know for sure

But I look at Oswald as a small man with low self esteem. Killing a president would make him a big shot

 

[Soupnazi630]

At 5:50 to 6:30 Dr Crenshaw admits the Parkland doctors knew the Warren Report was a lie and did not challenge the Warren Report lie for nearly 30 years.,,,,,
"we went along to get along" Oswald exonerated.

It's fatiguing to have to go over this again and again.

Youtube videos are the worst form of evidence.

Crenshaw was barely involved in the efforts to save Kennedy at Parkland. He only casually viewed Kennedy;s bodies for a few minutes after Kennedy was declared dead.

He was never in any position to challenge the Warren Commission o call it a lie. He had no expertise to make such a judgement and no evidence.

The fact is the Warren Commission remains one of the most accurate comprehensive and thorough criminal investigations in US history and has not been challenged.

If you have evidence to the contrary fire away but do not simply go off of what a TV show tells you..

 

[Soupnazi630]

Oswald started working there before JFK even announced he would visit Dallas





He learned of the parade rout the day before

Not much of a conspiracy

the parade route was announced in the paper 2 months before, and about the sane time Oswald took employment.
being an insider he would have known about the route before it was printed.

...then the route was changed to accommodate the assassins

Wrong.

The motorcade route was not announced two months before it was in fact announced only two days before the actual arrival of Kennedy and as we have shown Oswald probably only read about it the day before the shooting.

You are lying period and the facts prove you wrong.

You have no evidence he was an insider and the route was never changed until the shooting when they then went to the hospital.

It was a spontaneous decision by Oswald who had previously tried to assassinated Gen Walker with the same gun

A desperate plea for attention

Possibly but likely a mix of different motives.

Motive for him to murder Kennedy is the most difficult part to nail down. He died before he could explain his motives or be examined.

HE probably viewed Kennedy as an enemy of communism. Although Kennedy was viewed as a liberal he was also famous for backing down the Soviets in the Cuban Missile crises..

Oswald also fancied himself a hero of the revolution and felt that assassinating the right person might trigger the uprising of the proletariat and the revolution would follow. He often remarked to his wife that she was married to the future prime minister of the United Socialist States of America.

Finally he had an over inflated view of his own importance. In the weeks before the shooting he seems to have been coming to grips with the fact that he was an obscure nobody who would never make the history books. He was working in a more diligent fashion to keep his job whereas before he was lackadaisical in maintaining steady employment. He was also learning to drive and probably even looking into buying a used car. He expressed a desire to his wife to get the family back together and support them.

Of course that all went out the window when he looked at a newspaper and realized that a once in a lifetime opportunity was about to cross his path and he could actually make it into the history books.

Any combination of these and even other motives are what drove him.

Agree...we will never know for sure

But I look at Oswald as a small man with low self esteem. Killing a president would make him a big shot

Yes that was certainly a part of it and the secret service exists because many such small people exist who would love to take a shot at any president.

It is one of the biggest thing that makes Kennedy's murder unique. Most murderers know their victims and have a personal motive such as greed or jealously or anger.

Oswald and Kennedy obviously never met and the traditional motives go out the window. Even the pathological motives for a serial killer do not apply.

 

[Wolfstrike]

[QUOTE="Soupnazi630, post:]










Possibly but likely a mix of different motives.

Motive for him to murder Kennedy is the most difficult part to nail down. He died before he could explain his motives or be examined.

HE probably viewed Kennedy as an enemy of communism. Although Kennedy was viewed as a liberal he was also famous for backing down the Soviets in the Cuban Missile crises..

Oswald also fancied himself a hero of the revolution and felt that assassinating the right person might trigger the uprising of the proletariat and the revolution would follow. He often remarked to his wife that she was married to the future prime minister of the United Socialist States of America.

Finally he had an over inflated view of his own importance. In the weeks before the shooting he seems to have been coming to grips with the fact that he was an obscure nobody who would never make the history books. He was working in a more diligent fashion to keep his job whereas before he was lackadaisical in maintaining steady employment. He was also learning to drive and probably even looking into buying a used car. He expressed a desire to his wife to get the family back together and support them.

Of course that all went out the window when he looked at a newspaper and realized that a once in a lifetime opportunity was about to cross his path and he could actually make it into the history books.

Any combination of these and even other motives are what drove him.[/QUOTE]


yes, this is all 100% right.
but what you are missing is the history / reality of communism in the USA, and Oswald's circle of Communists

also you're completely ignoring how much the kennedys were hated by people in our government

 

[Wolfstrike]

all evidence points to the fact people in our government were involved in the assassination.

people don't believe it because they don't want to.
the government creates doubt by simply denying, and the media creates confusion with false theories

 

[Soupnazi630]

[QUOTE="Soupnazi630, post:]










Possibly but likely a mix of different motives.

Motive for him to murder Kennedy is the most difficult part to nail down. He died before he could explain his motives or be examined.

HE probably viewed Kennedy as an enemy of communism. Although Kennedy was viewed as a liberal he was also famous for backing down the Soviets in the Cuban Missile crises..

Oswald also fancied himself a hero of the revolution and felt that assassinating the right person might trigger the uprising of the proletariat and the revolution would follow. He often remarked to his wife that she was married to the future prime minister of the United Socialist States of America.

Finally he had an over inflated view of his own importance. In the weeks before the shooting he seems to have been coming to grips with the fact that he was an obscure nobody who would never make the history books. He was working in a more diligent fashion to keep his job whereas before he was lackadaisical in maintaining steady employment. He was also learning to drive and probably even looking into buying a used car. He expressed a desire to his wife to get the family back together and support them.

Of course that all went out the window when he looked at a newspaper and realized that a once in a lifetime opportunity was about to cross his path and he could actually make it into the history books.

Any combination of these and even other motives are what drove him.

yes, this is all 100% right.
but what you are missing is the history / reality of communism in the USA, and Oswald's circle of Communists

also you're completely ignoring how much the kennedys were hated by people in our government[/QUOTE]

I am ignoring nothing as your claims are mere speculation

 

[Soupnazi630]

all evidence points to the fact people in our government were involved in the assassination.

people don't believe it because they don't want to.
the government creates doubt by simply denying, and the media creates confusion with false theories

You have yet to cite any such evidence.

People do not believe because it is a baseless claim which requires evidence yet none can be found.

 

[Wolfstrike]

all evidence points to the fact people in our government were involved in the assassination.

people don't believe it because they don't want to.
the government creates doubt by simply denying, and the media creates confusion with false theories

You have yet to cite any such evidence.

People do not believe because it is a baseless claim which requires evidence yet none can be found.

more people believe there was a conspiracy than don't

 

[rightwinger]

all evidence points to the fact people in our government were involved in the assassination.

people don't believe it because they don't want to.
the government creates doubt by simply denying, and the media creates confusion with false theories

There is zero evidence of government involvement

 

[Soupnazi630]

all evidence points to the fact people in our government were involved in the assassination.

people don't believe it because they don't want to.
the government creates doubt by simply denying, and the media creates confusion with false theories

You have yet to cite any such evidence.

People do not believe because it is a baseless claim which requires evidence yet none can be found.

more people believe there was a conspiracy than don't

And that is because they do not ask for evidence.

They simply believe the crap on youtube or from Oliver Stone.

Very few have read the Warren Commission report including you.

 

[Wolfstrike]

all evidence points to the fact people in our government were involved in the assassination.

people don't believe it because they don't want to.
the government creates doubt by simply denying, and the media creates confusion with false theories

You have yet to cite any such evidence.

People do not believe because it is a baseless claim which requires evidence yet none can be found.

more people believe there was a conspiracy than don't

And that is because they do not ask for evidence.

They simply believe the crap on youtube or from Oliver Stone.

Very few have read the Warren Commission report including you.

zapruder's statements from the warren report are how I reached my conclusion

 

[rightwinger]

all evidence points to the fact people in our government were involved in the assassination.

people don't believe it because they don't want to.
the government creates doubt by simply denying, and the media creates confusion with false theories

You have yet to cite any such evidence.

People do not believe because it is a baseless claim which requires evidence yet none can be found.

more people believe there was a conspiracy than don't

And that is because they do not ask for evidence.

They simply believe the crap on youtube or from Oliver Stone.

Very few have read the Warren Commission report including you.

zapruder's statements from the warren report are how I reached my conclusion

Problem with conspiracy theorists is they take a perfectly understandable statement and draw bizarre conclusions

 

[Wolfstrike]

Oswald knew George de Mohrenschildt who was connected to the cia and most likely a spy.

if Oswald were truly a lone nut, he wouldn't have know anyone connected to the CIA

George de Mohrenschildt was a good friend of Jackie's family

the more you learn the more bizarre the story gets

 

[rightwinger]

Oswald knew George de Mohrenschildt who was connected to the cia and most likely a spy.

if Oswald were truly a lone nut, he wouldn't have know anyone connected to the CIA

George de Mohrenschildt was a good friend of Jackie's family

the more you learn the more bizarre the story gets

Funny how you meet people in your life

You are sounding like Oliver Stone

 

[Soupnazi630]

all evidence points to the fact people in our government were involved in the assassination.

people don't believe it because they don't want to.
the government creates doubt by simply denying, and the media creates confusion with false theories

You have yet to cite any such evidence.

People do not believe because it is a baseless claim which requires evidence yet none can be found.

more people believe there was a conspiracy than don't

And that is because they do not ask for evidence.

They simply believe the crap on youtube or from Oliver Stone.

Very few have read the Warren Commission report including you.

zapruder's statements from the warren report are how I reached my conclusion

In that case quote his statements from the report.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Oswald knew George de Mohrenschildt who was connected to the cia and most likely a spy.

if Oswald were truly a lone nut, he wouldn't have know anyone connected to the CIA

George de Mohrenschildt was a good friend of Jackie's family

the more you learn the more bizarre the story gets

Wrong your premise is false a lone nut need not be unconnected.

 

[LaDexter]

This is 100% of what you need to KNOW about JFK..... the WHY....

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War — Central Intelligence Agency


"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) President Johnson was gratified that because of CIA analyses and Helms's tip, he could inform congressional leaders later in the day that he had been expecting Israel's move.["



If you cannot figured it out with the above, you are hopelessly lost....

 

[rightwinger]

This is 100% of what you need to KNOW about JFK..... the WHY....

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War — Central Intelligence Agency


"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) President Johnson was gratified that because of CIA analyses and Helms's tip, he could inform congressional leaders later in the day that he had been expecting Israel's move.["



If you cannot figured it out with the above, you are hopelessly lost....

I have no idea what this has to do with JFK s assassination

 

[LaDexter]

Zionist Liar supreme....

Let's start with the original WARNING....

Einstein Letter Warning Of
Zionist Facism In Israel
Letter That Albert Einstein Sent to the New York Times
1948, Protesting the Visit of Menachem Begin
11-1-4

Letters to the Editor
New York Times
December 4, 1948
TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughoutthe world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement. The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.
Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants ? 240men, women, and children - and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin. The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model. During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.
Discrepancies Seen
The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal.
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.
The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.
ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ
HANNAH ARENDT
ABRAHAM BRICK
RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO
ALBERT EINSTEIN
HERMAN EISEN, M.D.
HAYIM FINEMAN
M. GALLEN, M.D.
H.H. HARRIS
ZELIG S. HARRIS
SIDNEY HOOK
FRED KARUSH
BRURIA KAUFMAN
IRMA L. LINDHEIM
NACHMAN MAISEL
SEYMOUR MELMAN
MYER D. MENDELSON
M.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKY
SAMUEL PITLICK
FRITZ ROHRLICH
LOUIS P. ROCKER
RUTH SAGIS
ITZHAK SANKOWSKY
I.J. SHOENBERG
SAMUEL SHUMAN
M. SINGER
IRMA WOLFE
STEFAN WOLF.
New York, Dec. 2, 1948