Joe Biden lies about his position on Fracking during campaign stop.

[martybegan]

How does Biden feel about fracking? Monday Joe said “he would not ban fracking”, much different then the positions claimed in the past. Which way is the wind blowing next week?

If you listened to more than sound bites then you might better understand this stuff

Not too much to understand here. Did Biden say he'd get rid of fracking or didn't he? What his he saying today?

Not for the near future. He has a plan to eliminate fossil fuels by 2050 but that is dependent on the development of green energy. As for fracking the only thing he has said is that he wouldn’t approve new permits on federal land. 90% of fracking is done on private land so it wasn’t a very substantial policy. Like with most issues there are many complex elements. You can’t simply listen to talking points and sound bites

No, I watched the video in the OP where one of the segments he said he would end all fossil fuel. I don't know if you know this or not, but fracking is part of obtaining fossil fuel.

Yes he wants to end it by 2050 as green energy infrastructure gets developed and can replace it. I think I said that in my last post

Democrat presidential debate:

Question: Would there be anyplace for fossil fuels, like coal and fracking IN A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

Answer: No, we would work it out. It would be eliminated.

The question was not about future administrations, it was about his administration. In his administration, as Joe said, it would be eliminated. He can't eliminate it in 2050 because not only would his administration be long gone, but so will Joe.

A President cannot set policy for future administrations. Each administration has their own policies.

Almost all presidents have plans that project out a decade or more. Biden has all the details on his fracking stance and environmental plans on his website. Why don’t you read that instead of putting all your eggs on a one sentence answer during a debate?

For one, I don't want to fall asleep at my computer. Two, those are plans created by his handlers and not Biden. What Biden says live is more honest as he has no time to think or have his planners answer for him. He speaks in his own words.

I don't know how much you know about fracking, but it works like this: They drill holes in the ground, and turn those drills horizontal so as to be able to drill sideways, and create a lot of new tunnels from that one hole going straight down into the ground.

Even with all those horizontal tunnels, they can only drill so far, meaning that once all the energy is extracted from those tunnels, they have to pack up and go somewhere else to start the process all over again.

If they cannot get permits for the next site, they can no longer drill. That means as these sites get exhausted, those are the last sites they will be able to drill on.

Bottom line is that if by some miracle Biden wins the presidency, and even if he doesn't stop all fracking immediately, our sources to get new energy will be depleted. As we use up those spots, and can't go to more, less and less energy gets produced. The less energy that gets produced, the higher the costs go because the commodities investors are always looking for signs to invest their money properly for profit.

You realize that only 10% of fracking is done on federal land right? You don’t think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuels in 30 years?

It has nothing to do with being smart enough, it has to do with it being economical enough. We can turn the country green tomorrow, if you want to pay five times the amount of money for energy that we do today.

The US currently produces around 4.5 million barrels of oil per year. What is 10% of that?

That's not to mention that even on private land, EPA regulations have to be followed; regulations that can be influenced by a President based on his goals.

Cool cool. Do you think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuel in a more economical way in the next 30 years?

I'm not a Democrat, therefore I don't claim to see into the future. In a 100 years? Perhaps. Again, it isn't about being smart enough. It would have been smart for Henry Ford to put fuel injection in his Model-T, but we didn't have nearly that kind of technology yet.

Currently, there is no substitute that delivers the reliability and power fossil fuels provide. Wind mills, solar panels, all nice, but expensive and very weak. CA is now trying to encourage their citizens to conserve energy so they don't have yet another major blackout. It doesn't work.

You have to let technological improvements happen on their own time. It's something you cannot force. One cannot say they want to be totally green by 2050 when they don't even know what kind of advancements will be made by that time. It's like the government in 1930 saying they want to see cell phones and internet by the year 1950.

Tech improvements happen by setting goals and priorities. We put a man on the moon. We didn’t do that because all of a sudden somebody found a space shuttle. Look where tech was 30 years ago and look at it now

Putting a man on the moon didn't require me to give up my ICE car for an electric, or require brown outs due to stupid power generation governmental restrictions, or constant whining about how the world will end if I run my AC a few degrees cooler.

It happened through steps, focus and progression. The same thing with the plan to get off fossil fuels and utilize cleaner energy sources so we can better treat our environment

No, right now it goes through force. Ban ICE vehicles, reduce availible power when the grid can't get enough supply, ban people from installing gas lines into new houses for appliances. Ban certain light bulbs, force crazy fuel economy standards, shut down streets to make traffic worse for cars, and the list goes on.

Government didn't need to ban horses to get people to use motor vehicles, it happened because motor vehicles were the superior product.

Horses weren’t destroying our environment and killing people

have you ever seen the pictures of streets when horses were the primary means of transport?

And it figures you have to go to hyperbole to make your point.

And the environment is not being destroyed by carbon, at worst the climate is changing, and humans can change with it.

Lol, OR PEOPLE WILL DIEEEEEEEEEEE

People have died from toxic building materials, polluted water, and air pollution is said to have been responsible for over 4 million deaths a year. I’m not being hyperbolic

it shouldn’t be a partisan thing to want to take care of our environment

Those are actual tangible impacts that have actual tangible rectifying solutions. I've worked in water and wastewater treatment for years.

The political aspect is having to implement Marxism to fix climate change, a situation that cannot truly be measured for success of failure, but evidently we have to give government ALL THE POWER or we'sa gonna die!!!!

You’re taking an extreme interpretation of it. In reality the plan that the Dems are presenting is overkill and the stance of the Reps is wholly inadequate. If we could be grown ups and actually talk about the best solutions to a common goal then perhaps we could do something. But as things stand now we can’t even agree on the common goal. How sad is that?!

Because the threat being lauded by the left of AGW is a made up threat designed for them to get the government and control they want.

How do you find a solution to Unicorn attacks if there are no such thing as Unicorns?

Do you even try to find common ground? Say that maybe you and the Left both care about the environment and Want to do what we can to reduce pollution and keep our world as clean as possible?? Or is it just, the Left is evil and fighting to control us??

A lot of people on the left just see AGW as an excuse to get their system in place. Sorry but I can't trust people who think government can solve everything, people have to give up freedom for some nefarious nebulous threat, and that only the plebes have to suffer for the sacrifice to Gaia.

Kinda like trumpers thinking government tariffs are going to solve everything?

Not everything, just China treating us like a bitch when it comes to trade.

Unfair practices, copyright infringement, government sanctioned lowering of costs, the list piles up.

Well you sure picked a loser. So far the trump tariffs hurt farming leading to a big farmer bailout. Steel is in bad shape with lots of layoffs. Oh and manufacturing hurt too.

Because of the Tarriffs or because of the COVID issues?

And short term pain is expected in a trade fight.

Unlike you I don't suck Chinese Commie dick just to spite my political opponents.

Slurp slurp slurp.

How did you feel about Trump lying and acting like the money he collected from Tariffs were somehow payments from China to balance the trade deficit instead of what they actually were which are taxes paid by US companies?

Lol wut?

What as in you don't believe Trump said that or you don't believe its a lie?

Whats the actual quote?

Whats the actual quote?! are you joking... Have you ever heard him talk about China and tariffs? He lies every time he talks about it. Heres an article from Yahoo Finance who counted 108 times he lied about it last year.

Trump made this false claim about China and tariffs at least 108 times in 2019

According to President Trump, China has paid the US "billions" because of the tariffs he's imposed.

finance.yahoo.com

Ah, semantics, the last refuge of the scoundrel. I know Trump is a blowhard and states things that can be considered not correct, but calling them all lies is just spin.

If it wasn’t a lie then he really thinks that China is paying the tariffs and he is a complete fucking moron. The thought of him being that clueless is even scarier than him being a liar

Paying for it, as in paying for it via reduced trade.

I wonder if you will be as exacting when it comes to what your butt buddy Biden says.

Of course I will be. If Biden lies Like Trump lies of absolutely call him out on it. And no Trump was not talking about some round about payments. Read his quotes. They are sited in my link. He was claiming that tariff funds were paid for by China. WRONG

Bullshit.

Get off your knees for a bit, use some mouthwash.

Looks like you’re out of substance. Thanks for playing

No, you are out of spin.

Just read what I’ve written and how you’ve responded. You’re a child. Go take a nap

No, i just don't suffer fools, debate me in the CDZ if you want and see.

You don’t know how to debate. You dodge and divert to insults when you can’t address a subject. You’re a child

I play the game the way I want to play it, dippy.

 

[Slade3200]

How does Biden feel about fracking? Monday Joe said “he would not ban fracking”, much different then the positions claimed in the past. Which way is the wind blowing next week?

If you listened to more than sound bites then you might better understand this stuff

Not too much to understand here. Did Biden say he'd get rid of fracking or didn't he? What his he saying today?

Not for the near future. He has a plan to eliminate fossil fuels by 2050 but that is dependent on the development of green energy. As for fracking the only thing he has said is that he wouldn’t approve new permits on federal land. 90% of fracking is done on private land so it wasn’t a very substantial policy. Like with most issues there are many complex elements. You can’t simply listen to talking points and sound bites

No, I watched the video in the OP where one of the segments he said he would end all fossil fuel. I don't know if you know this or not, but fracking is part of obtaining fossil fuel.

Yes he wants to end it by 2050 as green energy infrastructure gets developed and can replace it. I think I said that in my last post

Democrat presidential debate:

Question: Would there be anyplace for fossil fuels, like coal and fracking IN A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

Answer: No, we would work it out. It would be eliminated.

The question was not about future administrations, it was about his administration. In his administration, as Joe said, it would be eliminated. He can't eliminate it in 2050 because not only would his administration be long gone, but so will Joe.

A President cannot set policy for future administrations. Each administration has their own policies.

Almost all presidents have plans that project out a decade or more. Biden has all the details on his fracking stance and environmental plans on his website. Why don’t you read that instead of putting all your eggs on a one sentence answer during a debate?

For one, I don't want to fall asleep at my computer. Two, those are plans created by his handlers and not Biden. What Biden says live is more honest as he has no time to think or have his planners answer for him. He speaks in his own words.

I don't know how much you know about fracking, but it works like this: They drill holes in the ground, and turn those drills horizontal so as to be able to drill sideways, and create a lot of new tunnels from that one hole going straight down into the ground.

Even with all those horizontal tunnels, they can only drill so far, meaning that once all the energy is extracted from those tunnels, they have to pack up and go somewhere else to start the process all over again.

If they cannot get permits for the next site, they can no longer drill. That means as these sites get exhausted, those are the last sites they will be able to drill on.

Bottom line is that if by some miracle Biden wins the presidency, and even if he doesn't stop all fracking immediately, our sources to get new energy will be depleted. As we use up those spots, and can't go to more, less and less energy gets produced. The less energy that gets produced, the higher the costs go because the commodities investors are always looking for signs to invest their money properly for profit.

You realize that only 10% of fracking is done on federal land right? You don’t think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuels in 30 years?

It has nothing to do with being smart enough, it has to do with it being economical enough. We can turn the country green tomorrow, if you want to pay five times the amount of money for energy that we do today.

The US currently produces around 4.5 million barrels of oil per year. What is 10% of that?

That's not to mention that even on private land, EPA regulations have to be followed; regulations that can be influenced by a President based on his goals.

Cool cool. Do you think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuel in a more economical way in the next 30 years?

I'm not a Democrat, therefore I don't claim to see into the future. In a 100 years? Perhaps. Again, it isn't about being smart enough. It would have been smart for Henry Ford to put fuel injection in his Model-T, but we didn't have nearly that kind of technology yet.

Currently, there is no substitute that delivers the reliability and power fossil fuels provide. Wind mills, solar panels, all nice, but expensive and very weak. CA is now trying to encourage their citizens to conserve energy so they don't have yet another major blackout. It doesn't work.

You have to let technological improvements happen on their own time. It's something you cannot force. One cannot say they want to be totally green by 2050 when they don't even know what kind of advancements will be made by that time. It's like the government in 1930 saying they want to see cell phones and internet by the year 1950.

Tech improvements happen by setting goals and priorities. We put a man on the moon. We didn’t do that because all of a sudden somebody found a space shuttle. Look where tech was 30 years ago and look at it now

Putting a man on the moon didn't require me to give up my ICE car for an electric, or require brown outs due to stupid power generation governmental restrictions, or constant whining about how the world will end if I run my AC a few degrees cooler.

It happened through steps, focus and progression. The same thing with the plan to get off fossil fuels and utilize cleaner energy sources so we can better treat our environment

No, right now it goes through force. Ban ICE vehicles, reduce availible power when the grid can't get enough supply, ban people from installing gas lines into new houses for appliances. Ban certain light bulbs, force crazy fuel economy standards, shut down streets to make traffic worse for cars, and the list goes on.

Government didn't need to ban horses to get people to use motor vehicles, it happened because motor vehicles were the superior product.

Horses weren’t destroying our environment and killing people

have you ever seen the pictures of streets when horses were the primary means of transport?

And it figures you have to go to hyperbole to make your point.

And the environment is not being destroyed by carbon, at worst the climate is changing, and humans can change with it.

Lol, OR PEOPLE WILL DIEEEEEEEEEEE

People have died from toxic building materials, polluted water, and air pollution is said to have been responsible for over 4 million deaths a year. I’m not being hyperbolic

it shouldn’t be a partisan thing to want to take care of our environment

Those are actual tangible impacts that have actual tangible rectifying solutions. I've worked in water and wastewater treatment for years.

The political aspect is having to implement Marxism to fix climate change, a situation that cannot truly be measured for success of failure, but evidently we have to give government ALL THE POWER or we'sa gonna die!!!!

You’re taking an extreme interpretation of it. In reality the plan that the Dems are presenting is overkill and the stance of the Reps is wholly inadequate. If we could be grown ups and actually talk about the best solutions to a common goal then perhaps we could do something. But as things stand now we can’t even agree on the common goal. How sad is that?!

Because the threat being lauded by the left of AGW is a made up threat designed for them to get the government and control they want.

How do you find a solution to Unicorn attacks if there are no such thing as Unicorns?

Do you even try to find common ground? Say that maybe you and the Left both care about the environment and Want to do what we can to reduce pollution and keep our world as clean as possible?? Or is it just, the Left is evil and fighting to control us??

A lot of people on the left just see AGW as an excuse to get their system in place. Sorry but I can't trust people who think government can solve everything, people have to give up freedom for some nefarious nebulous threat, and that only the plebes have to suffer for the sacrifice to Gaia.

Kinda like trumpers thinking government tariffs are going to solve everything?

Not everything, just China treating us like a bitch when it comes to trade.

Unfair practices, copyright infringement, government sanctioned lowering of costs, the list piles up.

Well you sure picked a loser. So far the trump tariffs hurt farming leading to a big farmer bailout. Steel is in bad shape with lots of layoffs. Oh and manufacturing hurt too.

Because of the Tarriffs or because of the COVID issues?

And short term pain is expected in a trade fight.

Unlike you I don't suck Chinese Commie dick just to spite my political opponents.

Slurp slurp slurp.

How did you feel about Trump lying and acting like the money he collected from Tariffs were somehow payments from China to balance the trade deficit instead of what they actually were which are taxes paid by US companies?

Lol wut?

What as in you don't believe Trump said that or you don't believe its a lie?

Whats the actual quote?

Whats the actual quote?! are you joking... Have you ever heard him talk about China and tariffs? He lies every time he talks about it. Heres an article from Yahoo Finance who counted 108 times he lied about it last year.

Trump made this false claim about China and tariffs at least 108 times in 2019

According to President Trump, China has paid the US "billions" because of the tariffs he's imposed.

finance.yahoo.com

Ah, semantics, the last refuge of the scoundrel. I know Trump is a blowhard and states things that can be considered not correct, but calling them all lies is just spin.

If it wasn’t a lie then he really thinks that China is paying the tariffs and he is a complete fucking moron. The thought of him being that clueless is even scarier than him being a liar

Paying for it, as in paying for it via reduced trade.

I wonder if you will be as exacting when it comes to what your butt buddy Biden says.

Of course I will be. If Biden lies Like Trump lies of absolutely call him out on it. And no Trump was not talking about some round about payments. Read his quotes. They are sited in my link. He was claiming that tariff funds were paid for by China. WRONG

Bullshit.

Get off your knees for a bit, use some mouthwash.

Looks like you’re out of substance. Thanks for playing

No, you are out of spin.

Just read what I’ve written and how you’ve responded. You’re a child. Go take a nap

No, i just don't suffer fools, debate me in the CDZ if you want and see.

You don’t know how to debate. You dodge and divert to insults when you can’t address a subject. You’re a child

I play the game the way I want to play it, dippy.

That’s true and you play it like an amateur

 

[martybegan]

How does Biden feel about fracking? Monday Joe said “he would not ban fracking”, much different then the positions claimed in the past. Which way is the wind blowing next week?

If you listened to more than sound bites then you might better understand this stuff

Not too much to understand here. Did Biden say he'd get rid of fracking or didn't he? What his he saying today?

Not for the near future. He has a plan to eliminate fossil fuels by 2050 but that is dependent on the development of green energy. As for fracking the only thing he has said is that he wouldn’t approve new permits on federal land. 90% of fracking is done on private land so it wasn’t a very substantial policy. Like with most issues there are many complex elements. You can’t simply listen to talking points and sound bites

No, I watched the video in the OP where one of the segments he said he would end all fossil fuel. I don't know if you know this or not, but fracking is part of obtaining fossil fuel.

Yes he wants to end it by 2050 as green energy infrastructure gets developed and can replace it. I think I said that in my last post

Democrat presidential debate:

Question: Would there be anyplace for fossil fuels, like coal and fracking IN A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

Answer: No, we would work it out. It would be eliminated.

The question was not about future administrations, it was about his administration. In his administration, as Joe said, it would be eliminated. He can't eliminate it in 2050 because not only would his administration be long gone, but so will Joe.

A President cannot set policy for future administrations. Each administration has their own policies.

Almost all presidents have plans that project out a decade or more. Biden has all the details on his fracking stance and environmental plans on his website. Why don’t you read that instead of putting all your eggs on a one sentence answer during a debate?

For one, I don't want to fall asleep at my computer. Two, those are plans created by his handlers and not Biden. What Biden says live is more honest as he has no time to think or have his planners answer for him. He speaks in his own words.

I don't know how much you know about fracking, but it works like this: They drill holes in the ground, and turn those drills horizontal so as to be able to drill sideways, and create a lot of new tunnels from that one hole going straight down into the ground.

Even with all those horizontal tunnels, they can only drill so far, meaning that once all the energy is extracted from those tunnels, they have to pack up and go somewhere else to start the process all over again.

If they cannot get permits for the next site, they can no longer drill. That means as these sites get exhausted, those are the last sites they will be able to drill on.

Bottom line is that if by some miracle Biden wins the presidency, and even if he doesn't stop all fracking immediately, our sources to get new energy will be depleted. As we use up those spots, and can't go to more, less and less energy gets produced. The less energy that gets produced, the higher the costs go because the commodities investors are always looking for signs to invest their money properly for profit.

You realize that only 10% of fracking is done on federal land right? You don’t think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuels in 30 years?

It has nothing to do with being smart enough, it has to do with it being economical enough. We can turn the country green tomorrow, if you want to pay five times the amount of money for energy that we do today.

The US currently produces around 4.5 million barrels of oil per year. What is 10% of that?

That's not to mention that even on private land, EPA regulations have to be followed; regulations that can be influenced by a President based on his goals.

Cool cool. Do you think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuel in a more economical way in the next 30 years?

I'm not a Democrat, therefore I don't claim to see into the future. In a 100 years? Perhaps. Again, it isn't about being smart enough. It would have been smart for Henry Ford to put fuel injection in his Model-T, but we didn't have nearly that kind of technology yet.

Currently, there is no substitute that delivers the reliability and power fossil fuels provide. Wind mills, solar panels, all nice, but expensive and very weak. CA is now trying to encourage their citizens to conserve energy so they don't have yet another major blackout. It doesn't work.

You have to let technological improvements happen on their own time. It's something you cannot force. One cannot say they want to be totally green by 2050 when they don't even know what kind of advancements will be made by that time. It's like the government in 1930 saying they want to see cell phones and internet by the year 1950.

Tech improvements happen by setting goals and priorities. We put a man on the moon. We didn’t do that because all of a sudden somebody found a space shuttle. Look where tech was 30 years ago and look at it now

Putting a man on the moon didn't require me to give up my ICE car for an electric, or require brown outs due to stupid power generation governmental restrictions, or constant whining about how the world will end if I run my AC a few degrees cooler.

It happened through steps, focus and progression. The same thing with the plan to get off fossil fuels and utilize cleaner energy sources so we can better treat our environment

No, right now it goes through force. Ban ICE vehicles, reduce availible power when the grid can't get enough supply, ban people from installing gas lines into new houses for appliances. Ban certain light bulbs, force crazy fuel economy standards, shut down streets to make traffic worse for cars, and the list goes on.

Government didn't need to ban horses to get people to use motor vehicles, it happened because motor vehicles were the superior product.

Horses weren’t destroying our environment and killing people

have you ever seen the pictures of streets when horses were the primary means of transport?

And it figures you have to go to hyperbole to make your point.

And the environment is not being destroyed by carbon, at worst the climate is changing, and humans can change with it.

Lol, OR PEOPLE WILL DIEEEEEEEEEEE

People have died from toxic building materials, polluted water, and air pollution is said to have been responsible for over 4 million deaths a year. I’m not being hyperbolic

it shouldn’t be a partisan thing to want to take care of our environment

Those are actual tangible impacts that have actual tangible rectifying solutions. I've worked in water and wastewater treatment for years.

The political aspect is having to implement Marxism to fix climate change, a situation that cannot truly be measured for success of failure, but evidently we have to give government ALL THE POWER or we'sa gonna die!!!!

You’re taking an extreme interpretation of it. In reality the plan that the Dems are presenting is overkill and the stance of the Reps is wholly inadequate. If we could be grown ups and actually talk about the best solutions to a common goal then perhaps we could do something. But as things stand now we can’t even agree on the common goal. How sad is that?!

Because the threat being lauded by the left of AGW is a made up threat designed for them to get the government and control they want.

How do you find a solution to Unicorn attacks if there are no such thing as Unicorns?

Do you even try to find common ground? Say that maybe you and the Left both care about the environment and Want to do what we can to reduce pollution and keep our world as clean as possible?? Or is it just, the Left is evil and fighting to control us??

A lot of people on the left just see AGW as an excuse to get their system in place. Sorry but I can't trust people who think government can solve everything, people have to give up freedom for some nefarious nebulous threat, and that only the plebes have to suffer for the sacrifice to Gaia.

Kinda like trumpers thinking government tariffs are going to solve everything?

Not everything, just China treating us like a bitch when it comes to trade.

Unfair practices, copyright infringement, government sanctioned lowering of costs, the list piles up.

Well you sure picked a loser. So far the trump tariffs hurt farming leading to a big farmer bailout. Steel is in bad shape with lots of layoffs. Oh and manufacturing hurt too.

Because of the Tarriffs or because of the COVID issues?

And short term pain is expected in a trade fight.

Unlike you I don't suck Chinese Commie dick just to spite my political opponents.

Slurp slurp slurp.

How did you feel about Trump lying and acting like the money he collected from Tariffs were somehow payments from China to balance the trade deficit instead of what they actually were which are taxes paid by US companies?

Lol wut?

What as in you don't believe Trump said that or you don't believe its a lie?

Whats the actual quote?

Whats the actual quote?! are you joking... Have you ever heard him talk about China and tariffs? He lies every time he talks about it. Heres an article from Yahoo Finance who counted 108 times he lied about it last year.

Trump made this false claim about China and tariffs at least 108 times in 2019

According to President Trump, China has paid the US "billions" because of the tariffs he's imposed.

finance.yahoo.com

Ah, semantics, the last refuge of the scoundrel. I know Trump is a blowhard and states things that can be considered not correct, but calling them all lies is just spin.

If it wasn’t a lie then he really thinks that China is paying the tariffs and he is a complete fucking moron. The thought of him being that clueless is even scarier than him being a liar

Paying for it, as in paying for it via reduced trade.

I wonder if you will be as exacting when it comes to what your butt buddy Biden says.

Of course I will be. If Biden lies Like Trump lies of absolutely call him out on it. And no Trump was not talking about some round about payments. Read his quotes. They are sited in my link. He was claiming that tariff funds were paid for by China. WRONG

Bullshit.

Get off your knees for a bit, use some mouthwash.

Looks like you’re out of substance. Thanks for playing

No, you are out of spin.

Just read what I’ve written and how you’ve responded. You’re a child. Go take a nap

No, i just don't suffer fools, debate me in the CDZ if you want and see.

You don’t know how to debate. You dodge and divert to insults when you can’t address a subject. You’re a child

I play the game the way I want to play it, dippy.

That’s true and you play it like an amateur

I play it the way I want to.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Why do the dems want us to go back to relying on oil from the unstable middle east?....I thought after 9-11 everyone would want us to be energy independent....if nothing else so that we wouldn't have to go to war all the damn time....maybe the truth is that dems and the neo cons have found ways to get rich off the blood of our troops.....and they don't want the gravy train to stop.....

it doesn't really matter. In 10 years EV will take over the market. ICE vehicles are a thing of the past.

Maybe forty years and where is the electricity to charge those fifty or sixty million Electric vehicles going to come from? The liberals want exclusively hydro, solar and wind power, no more coal, diesel or natural gas powered generators.

 

[Slade3200]

How does Biden feel about fracking? Monday Joe said “he would not ban fracking”, much different then the positions claimed in the past. Which way is the wind blowing next week?

If you listened to more than sound bites then you might better understand this stuff

Not too much to understand here. Did Biden say he'd get rid of fracking or didn't he? What his he saying today?

Not for the near future. He has a plan to eliminate fossil fuels by 2050 but that is dependent on the development of green energy. As for fracking the only thing he has said is that he wouldn’t approve new permits on federal land. 90% of fracking is done on private land so it wasn’t a very substantial policy. Like with most issues there are many complex elements. You can’t simply listen to talking points and sound bites

No, I watched the video in the OP where one of the segments he said he would end all fossil fuel. I don't know if you know this or not, but fracking is part of obtaining fossil fuel.

Yes he wants to end it by 2050 as green energy infrastructure gets developed and can replace it. I think I said that in my last post

Democrat presidential debate:

Question: Would there be anyplace for fossil fuels, like coal and fracking IN A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

Answer: No, we would work it out. It would be eliminated.

The question was not about future administrations, it was about his administration. In his administration, as Joe said, it would be eliminated. He can't eliminate it in 2050 because not only would his administration be long gone, but so will Joe.

A President cannot set policy for future administrations. Each administration has their own policies.

Almost all presidents have plans that project out a decade or more. Biden has all the details on his fracking stance and environmental plans on his website. Why don’t you read that instead of putting all your eggs on a one sentence answer during a debate?

For one, I don't want to fall asleep at my computer. Two, those are plans created by his handlers and not Biden. What Biden says live is more honest as he has no time to think or have his planners answer for him. He speaks in his own words.

I don't know how much you know about fracking, but it works like this: They drill holes in the ground, and turn those drills horizontal so as to be able to drill sideways, and create a lot of new tunnels from that one hole going straight down into the ground.

Even with all those horizontal tunnels, they can only drill so far, meaning that once all the energy is extracted from those tunnels, they have to pack up and go somewhere else to start the process all over again.

If they cannot get permits for the next site, they can no longer drill. That means as these sites get exhausted, those are the last sites they will be able to drill on.

Bottom line is that if by some miracle Biden wins the presidency, and even if he doesn't stop all fracking immediately, our sources to get new energy will be depleted. As we use up those spots, and can't go to more, less and less energy gets produced. The less energy that gets produced, the higher the costs go because the commodities investors are always looking for signs to invest their money properly for profit.

You realize that only 10% of fracking is done on federal land right? You don’t think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuels in 30 years?

It has nothing to do with being smart enough, it has to do with it being economical enough. We can turn the country green tomorrow, if you want to pay five times the amount of money for energy that we do today.

The US currently produces around 4.5 million barrels of oil per year. What is 10% of that?

That's not to mention that even on private land, EPA regulations have to be followed; regulations that can be influenced by a President based on his goals.

Cool cool. Do you think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuel in a more economical way in the next 30 years?

I'm not a Democrat, therefore I don't claim to see into the future. In a 100 years? Perhaps. Again, it isn't about being smart enough. It would have been smart for Henry Ford to put fuel injection in his Model-T, but we didn't have nearly that kind of technology yet.

Currently, there is no substitute that delivers the reliability and power fossil fuels provide. Wind mills, solar panels, all nice, but expensive and very weak. CA is now trying to encourage their citizens to conserve energy so they don't have yet another major blackout. It doesn't work.

You have to let technological improvements happen on their own time. It's something you cannot force. One cannot say they want to be totally green by 2050 when they don't even know what kind of advancements will be made by that time. It's like the government in 1930 saying they want to see cell phones and internet by the year 1950.

Tech improvements happen by setting goals and priorities. We put a man on the moon. We didn’t do that because all of a sudden somebody found a space shuttle. Look where tech was 30 years ago and look at it now

Putting a man on the moon didn't require me to give up my ICE car for an electric, or require brown outs due to stupid power generation governmental restrictions, or constant whining about how the world will end if I run my AC a few degrees cooler.

It happened through steps, focus and progression. The same thing with the plan to get off fossil fuels and utilize cleaner energy sources so we can better treat our environment

No, right now it goes through force. Ban ICE vehicles, reduce availible power when the grid can't get enough supply, ban people from installing gas lines into new houses for appliances. Ban certain light bulbs, force crazy fuel economy standards, shut down streets to make traffic worse for cars, and the list goes on.

Government didn't need to ban horses to get people to use motor vehicles, it happened because motor vehicles were the superior product.

Horses weren’t destroying our environment and killing people

have you ever seen the pictures of streets when horses were the primary means of transport?

And it figures you have to go to hyperbole to make your point.

And the environment is not being destroyed by carbon, at worst the climate is changing, and humans can change with it.

Lol, OR PEOPLE WILL DIEEEEEEEEEEE

People have died from toxic building materials, polluted water, and air pollution is said to have been responsible for over 4 million deaths a year. I’m not being hyperbolic

it shouldn’t be a partisan thing to want to take care of our environment

Those are actual tangible impacts that have actual tangible rectifying solutions. I've worked in water and wastewater treatment for years.

The political aspect is having to implement Marxism to fix climate change, a situation that cannot truly be measured for success of failure, but evidently we have to give government ALL THE POWER or we'sa gonna die!!!!

You’re taking an extreme interpretation of it. In reality the plan that the Dems are presenting is overkill and the stance of the Reps is wholly inadequate. If we could be grown ups and actually talk about the best solutions to a common goal then perhaps we could do something. But as things stand now we can’t even agree on the common goal. How sad is that?!

Because the threat being lauded by the left of AGW is a made up threat designed for them to get the government and control they want.

How do you find a solution to Unicorn attacks if there are no such thing as Unicorns?

Do you even try to find common ground? Say that maybe you and the Left both care about the environment and Want to do what we can to reduce pollution and keep our world as clean as possible?? Or is it just, the Left is evil and fighting to control us??

A lot of people on the left just see AGW as an excuse to get their system in place. Sorry but I can't trust people who think government can solve everything, people have to give up freedom for some nefarious nebulous threat, and that only the plebes have to suffer for the sacrifice to Gaia.

Kinda like trumpers thinking government tariffs are going to solve everything?

Not everything, just China treating us like a bitch when it comes to trade.

Unfair practices, copyright infringement, government sanctioned lowering of costs, the list piles up.

Well you sure picked a loser. So far the trump tariffs hurt farming leading to a big farmer bailout. Steel is in bad shape with lots of layoffs. Oh and manufacturing hurt too.

Because of the Tarriffs or because of the COVID issues?

And short term pain is expected in a trade fight.

Unlike you I don't suck Chinese Commie dick just to spite my political opponents.

Slurp slurp slurp.

How did you feel about Trump lying and acting like the money he collected from Tariffs were somehow payments from China to balance the trade deficit instead of what they actually were which are taxes paid by US companies?

Lol wut?

What as in you don't believe Trump said that or you don't believe its a lie?

Whats the actual quote?

Whats the actual quote?! are you joking... Have you ever heard him talk about China and tariffs? He lies every time he talks about it. Heres an article from Yahoo Finance who counted 108 times he lied about it last year.

Trump made this false claim about China and tariffs at least 108 times in 2019

According to President Trump, China has paid the US "billions" because of the tariffs he's imposed.

finance.yahoo.com

Ah, semantics, the last refuge of the scoundrel. I know Trump is a blowhard and states things that can be considered not correct, but calling them all lies is just spin.

If it wasn’t a lie then he really thinks that China is paying the tariffs and he is a complete fucking moron. The thought of him being that clueless is even scarier than him being a liar

Paying for it, as in paying for it via reduced trade.

I wonder if you will be as exacting when it comes to what your butt buddy Biden says.

Of course I will be. If Biden lies Like Trump lies of absolutely call him out on it. And no Trump was not talking about some round about payments. Read his quotes. They are sited in my link. He was claiming that tariff funds were paid for by China. WRONG

Bullshit.

Get off your knees for a bit, use some mouthwash.

Looks like you’re out of substance. Thanks for playing

No, you are out of spin.

Just read what I’ve written and how you’ve responded. You’re a child. Go take a nap

No, i just don't suffer fools, debate me in the CDZ if you want and see.

You don’t know how to debate. You dodge and divert to insults when you can’t address a subject. You’re a child

I play the game the way I want to play it, dippy.

That’s true and you play it like an amateur

I play it the way I want to.

No shit

 

[AZrailwhale]

How does Biden feel about fracking? Monday Joe said “he would not ban fracking”, much different then the positions claimed in the past. Which way is the wind blowing next week?

If you listened to more than sound bites then you might better understand this stuff

Not too much to understand here. Did Biden say he'd get rid of fracking or didn't he? What his he saying today?

Not for the near future. He has a plan to eliminate fossil fuels by 2050 but that is dependent on the development of green energy. As for fracking the only thing he has said is that he wouldn’t approve new permits on federal land. 90% of fracking is done on private land so it wasn’t a very substantial policy. Like with most issues there are many complex elements. You can’t simply listen to talking points and sound bites

No, I watched the video in the OP where one of the segments he said he would end all fossil fuel. I don't know if you know this or not, but fracking is part of obtaining fossil fuel.

Yes he wants to end it by 2050 as green energy infrastructure gets developed and can replace it. I think I said that in my last post

Democrat presidential debate:

Question: Would there be anyplace for fossil fuels, like coal and fracking IN A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

Answer: No, we would work it out. It would be eliminated.

The question was not about future administrations, it was about his administration. In his administration, as Joe said, it would be eliminated. He can't eliminate it in 2050 because not only would his administration be long gone, but so will Joe.

A President cannot set policy for future administrations. Each administration has their own policies.

Almost all presidents have plans that project out a decade or more. Biden has all the details on his fracking stance and environmental plans on his website. Why don’t you read that instead of putting all your eggs on a one sentence answer during a debate?

For one, I don't want to fall asleep at my computer. Two, those are plans created by his handlers and not Biden. What Biden says live is more honest as he has no time to think or have his planners answer for him. He speaks in his own words.

I don't know how much you know about fracking, but it works like this: They drill holes in the ground, and turn those drills horizontal so as to be able to drill sideways, and create a lot of new tunnels from that one hole going straight down into the ground.

Even with all those horizontal tunnels, they can only drill so far, meaning that once all the energy is extracted from those tunnels, they have to pack up and go somewhere else to start the process all over again.

If they cannot get permits for the next site, they can no longer drill. That means as these sites get exhausted, those are the last sites they will be able to drill on.

Bottom line is that if by some miracle Biden wins the presidency, and even if he doesn't stop all fracking immediately, our sources to get new energy will be depleted. As we use up those spots, and can't go to more, less and less energy gets produced. The less energy that gets produced, the higher the costs go because the commodities investors are always looking for signs to invest their money properly for profit.

You realize that only 10% of fracking is done on federal land right? You don’t think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuels in 30 years?

It has nothing to do with being smart enough, it has to do with it being economical enough. We can turn the country green tomorrow, if you want to pay five times the amount of money for energy that we do today.

The US currently produces around 4.5 million barrels of oil per year. What is 10% of that?

That's not to mention that even on private land, EPA regulations have to be followed; regulations that can be influenced by a President based on his goals.

Cool cool. Do you think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuel in a more economical way in the next 30 years?

I'm not a Democrat, therefore I don't claim to see into the future. In a 100 years? Perhaps. Again, it isn't about being smart enough. It would have been smart for Henry Ford to put fuel injection in his Model-T, but we didn't have nearly that kind of technology yet.

Currently, there is no substitute that delivers the reliability and power fossil fuels provide. Wind mills, solar panels, all nice, but expensive and very weak. CA is now trying to encourage their citizens to conserve energy so they don't have yet another major blackout. It doesn't work.

You have to let technological improvements happen on their own time. It's something you cannot force. One cannot say they want to be totally green by 2050 when they don't even know what kind of advancements will be made by that time. It's like the government in 1930 saying they want to see cell phones and internet by the year 1950.

Tech improvements happen by setting goals and priorities. We put a man on the moon. We didn’t do that because all of a sudden somebody found a space shuttle. Look where tech was 30 years ago and look at it now

Putting a man on the moon didn't require me to give up my ICE car for an electric, or require brown outs due to stupid power generation governmental restrictions, or constant whining about how the world will end if I run my AC a few degrees cooler.

It happened through steps, focus and progression. The same thing with the plan to get off fossil fuels and utilize cleaner energy sources so we can better treat our environment

No, right now it goes through force. Ban ICE vehicles, reduce availible power when the grid can't get enough supply, ban people from installing gas lines into new houses for appliances. Ban certain light bulbs, force crazy fuel economy standards, shut down streets to make traffic worse for cars, and the list goes on.

Government didn't need to ban horses to get people to use motor vehicles, it happened because motor vehicles were the superior product.

Horses weren’t destroying our environment and killing people

Riiiiight, pull the other one, it’s got bells on it. Many thousands of people died every year from horse-related accidents like falls, many still do. Overgrazing destroys the environment plus all the hundreds of thousands of tons of horse apples and urine that used to foul our cities.

 

[Zorro!]

Why do the dems want us to go back to relying on oil from the unstable middle east?....I thought after 9-11 everyone would want us to be energy independent....if nothing else so that we wouldn't have to go to war all the damn time....maybe the truth is that dems and the neo cons have found ways to get rich off the blood of our troops.....and they don't want the gravy train to stop.....

it doesn't really matter. In 10 years EV will take over the market. ICE vehicles are a thing of the past.

Maybe forty years and where is the electricity to charge those fifty or sixty million Electric vehicles going to come from? The liberals want exclusively hydro, solar and wind power, no more coal, diesel or natural gas powered generators.

Well, look at CA for your future. 108 degrees and no power? Covered in Wild Fires. Do you know how many Californians have burned to death in the last 3 years?

 

[AZrailwhale]

How does Biden feel about fracking? Monday Joe said “he would not ban fracking”, much different then the positions claimed in the past. Which way is the wind blowing next week?

If you listened to more than sound bites then you might better understand this stuff

Not too much to understand here. Did Biden say he'd get rid of fracking or didn't he? What his he saying today?

Not for the near future. He has a plan to eliminate fossil fuels by 2050 but that is dependent on the development of green energy. As for fracking the only thing he has said is that he wouldn’t approve new permits on federal land. 90% of fracking is done on private land so it wasn’t a very substantial policy. Like with most issues there are many complex elements. You can’t simply listen to talking points and sound bites

No, I watched the video in the OP where one of the segments he said he would end all fossil fuel. I don't know if you know this or not, but fracking is part of obtaining fossil fuel.

Yes he wants to end it by 2050 as green energy infrastructure gets developed and can replace it. I think I said that in my last post

Democrat presidential debate:

Question: Would there be anyplace for fossil fuels, like coal and fracking IN A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

Answer: No, we would work it out. It would be eliminated.

The question was not about future administrations, it was about his administration. In his administration, as Joe said, it would be eliminated. He can't eliminate it in 2050 because not only would his administration be long gone, but so will Joe.

A President cannot set policy for future administrations. Each administration has their own policies.

Almost all presidents have plans that project out a decade or more. Biden has all the details on his fracking stance and environmental plans on his website. Why don’t you read that instead of putting all your eggs on a one sentence answer during a debate?

For one, I don't want to fall asleep at my computer. Two, those are plans created by his handlers and not Biden. What Biden says live is more honest as he has no time to think or have his planners answer for him. He speaks in his own words.

I don't know how much you know about fracking, but it works like this: They drill holes in the ground, and turn those drills horizontal so as to be able to drill sideways, and create a lot of new tunnels from that one hole going straight down into the ground.

Even with all those horizontal tunnels, they can only drill so far, meaning that once all the energy is extracted from those tunnels, they have to pack up and go somewhere else to start the process all over again.

If they cannot get permits for the next site, they can no longer drill. That means as these sites get exhausted, those are the last sites they will be able to drill on.

Bottom line is that if by some miracle Biden wins the presidency, and even if he doesn't stop all fracking immediately, our sources to get new energy will be depleted. As we use up those spots, and can't go to more, less and less energy gets produced. The less energy that gets produced, the higher the costs go because the commodities investors are always looking for signs to invest their money properly for profit.

You realize that only 10% of fracking is done on federal land right? You don’t think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuels in 30 years?

It has nothing to do with being smart enough, it has to do with it being economical enough. We can turn the country green tomorrow, if you want to pay five times the amount of money for energy that we do today.

The US currently produces around 4.5 million barrels of oil per year. What is 10% of that?

That's not to mention that even on private land, EPA regulations have to be followed; regulations that can be influenced by a President based on his goals.

Cool cool. Do you think we are smart enough to get off fossil fuel in a more economical way in the next 30 years?

I'm not a Democrat, therefore I don't claim to see into the future. In a 100 years? Perhaps. Again, it isn't about being smart enough. It would have been smart for Henry Ford to put fuel injection in his Model-T, but we didn't have nearly that kind of technology yet.

Currently, there is no substitute that delivers the reliability and power fossil fuels provide. Wind mills, solar panels, all nice, but expensive and very weak. CA is now trying to encourage their citizens to conserve energy so they don't have yet another major blackout. It doesn't work.

You have to let technological improvements happen on their own time. It's something you cannot force. One cannot say they want to be totally green by 2050 when they don't even know what kind of advancements will be made by that time. It's like the government in 1930 saying they want to see cell phones and internet by the year 1950.

Tech improvements happen by setting goals and priorities. We put a man on the moon. We didn’t do that because all of a sudden somebody found a space shuttle. Look where tech was 30 years ago and look at it now

Putting a man on the moon didn't require me to give up my ICE car for an electric, or require brown outs due to stupid power generation governmental restrictions, or constant whining about how the world will end if I run my AC a few degrees cooler.

It happened through steps, focus and progression. The same thing with the plan to get off fossil fuels and utilize cleaner energy sources so we can better treat our environment

No, right now it goes through force. Ban ICE vehicles, reduce availible power when the grid can't get enough supply, ban people from installing gas lines into new houses for appliances. Ban certain light bulbs, force crazy fuel economy standards, shut down streets to make traffic worse for cars, and the list goes on.

Government didn't need to ban horses to get people to use motor vehicles, it happened because motor vehicles were the superior product.

Horses weren’t destroying our environment and killing people

have you ever seen the pictures of streets when horses were the primary means of transport?

And it figures you have to go to hyperbole to make your point.

And the environment is not being destroyed by carbon, at worst the climate is changing, and humans can change with it.

Lol, OR PEOPLE WILL DIEEEEEEEEEEE

People have died from toxic building materials, polluted water, and air pollution is said to have been responsible for over 4 million deaths a year. I’m not being hyperbolic

it shouldn’t be a partisan thing to want to take care of our environment

Those are actual tangible impacts that have actual tangible rectifying solutions. I've worked in water and wastewater treatment for years.

The political aspect is having to implement Marxism to fix climate change, a situation that cannot truly be measured for success of failure, but evidently we have to give government ALL THE POWER or we'sa gonna die!!!!

You’re taking an extreme interpretation of it. In reality the plan that the Dems are presenting is overkill and the stance of the Reps is wholly inadequate. If we could be grown ups and actually talk about the best solutions to a common goal then perhaps we could do something. But as things stand now we can’t even agree on the common goal. How sad is that?!

Because the threat being lauded by the left of AGW is a made up threat designed for them to get the government and control they want.

How do you find a solution to Unicorn attacks if there are no such thing as Unicorns?

Do you even try to find common ground? Say that maybe you and the Left both care about the environment and Want to do what we can to reduce pollution and keep our world as clean as possible?? Or is it just, the Left is evil and fighting to control us??

A lot of people on the left just see AGW as an excuse to get their system in place. Sorry but I can't trust people who think government can solve everything, people have to give up freedom for some nefarious nebulous threat, and that only the plebes have to suffer for the sacrifice to Gaia.

Kinda like trumpers thinking government tariffs are going to solve everything?

Tariffs are a weapon against another nation that trades unfairly, or are a way to protect industries that are vital to national interests.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The real question is why do so many righties love fracking? We already saw how quickly the frackers are run out of business.

Ran out of business? That's news to me. Fracking is the most active industry we have. Why do we righties love fracking? Because fracking floods the market with energy. When the market is flooded with energy, prices drop. When prices of energy drop, that gives Americans more disposable income. When Americans have more disposable income, it stimulates the economy because they spend it.

I went by my local gas station today. Gas is at $1.89. Mind you, when our new governor took office, he placed a 10 cent per gallon tax on gasoline to support road infrastructure.

Fracking is nothing more than a more expensive way of releasing gas and oil for economical processing. The only reason they go out of production (often not business) is that easier to extract fields are found and temporarily reduce the value of crude/gas. It still is an economical way of increasing reserves which lowers costs overall.

Fracking is a way to get MORE oil or natural gas out of a low producing field, by injecting fluids into a well to fracture (hence fracking) the oil bearing strata that has the oil or gas trapped in it. It’s far less expensive than drilling new wells.

 

[bripat9643]

Why do the dems want us to go back to relying on oil from the unstable middle east?....I thought after 9-11 everyone would want us to be energy independent....if nothing else so that we wouldn't have to go to war all the damn time....maybe the truth is that dems and the neo cons have found ways to get rich off the blood of our troops.....and they don't want the gravy train to stop.....

it doesn't really matter. In 10 years EV will take over the market. ICE vehicles are a thing of the past.

Maybe forty years and where is the electricity to charge those fifty or sixty million Electric vehicles going to come from? The liberals want exclusively hydro, solar and wind power, no more coal, diesel or natural gas powered generators.

It's going to happen much sooner than that. Tesla sales have been growing by 50%/year. If you know anything about exponential growth, that means Tesla will be producing 28 million cars/year in 10 years. The entire market in 2016 was 70 million cars. However, the market will shrink by 2030 because we won't need as many cars when we have self-driving cars. Then many cars will be used as taxis. You might drive your own car for a couple hours a day, but then use it for a self-driving taxi the rest of the day. Most people will not own cars. Tesla may not get all this business, but it's competitors will be selling mostly EVs or they will go out of business.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why do the dems want us to go back to relying on oil from the unstable middle east?....I thought after 9-11 everyone would want us to be energy independent....if nothing else so that we wouldn't have to go to war all the damn time....maybe the truth is that dems and the neo cons have found ways to get rich off the blood of our troops.....and they don't want the gravy train to stop.....

it doesn't really matter. In 10 years EV will take over the market. ICE vehicles are a thing of the past.

Maybe forty years and where is the electricity to charge those fifty or sixty million Electric vehicles going to come from? The liberals want exclusively hydro, solar and wind power, no more coal, diesel or natural gas powered generators.

It's going to happen much sooner than that. Tesla sales have been growing by 50%/year. If you know anything about exponential growth, that means Tesla will be producing 28 million cars/year in 10 years. The entire market in 2016 was 70 million cars. However, the market will shrink by 2030 because we won't need as many cars when we have self-driving cars. Then many cars will be used as taxis. You might drive your own car for a couple hours a day, but then use it for a self-driving taxi the rest of the day. Most people will not own cars. Tesla may not get all this business, but it's competitors will be selling mostly EVs or they will go out of business.

What I've read is that the material for the batteries have to be mined, and there is not an abundance of it either. Unless they come out with a better battery system, we will run out of material long before most people have an electric car.

 

[Rambunctious]

There is nothing that is environmentally clean about electric cars unless its only carbon that you fear....