John Kerry’s big blunder in seeking an Israel-Gaza cease-fire

Exactly. We are doing regieme change in Russia, because Putin really does pose a threat to the US. Hamas is a silly distraction.
 
Your disinterest has already been noted. So, why do you even bother?
Oh, because you don't want anyone to pay attention to this.

Putin doesn't pose a threat to the US. It's a corporate game. Grow a pair and go to war with them directly. Send your kids off first.
 
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John Kerry’s big blunder in seeking an Israel-Gaza cease-fire

Secretary of State John Kerry has made a significant mistake in how he’s pursuing a Gaza cease-fire — and it’s not surprising that he has upset both the Israelis and some moderate Palestinians.

Kerry’s error has been to put so much emphasis on achieving a quick halt to the bloodshed that he has solidified the role of Hamas, the intractable, unpopular Islamist group that leads Gaza, along with the two hard-line Islamist nations that are its key supporters, Qatar and Turkey.

In the process, he has undercut not simply the Israelis but also the Egyptians and the Fatah movement that runs the Palestinian Authority, all of which want to see an end to Hamas rule in Gaza.

John Kerry?s big blunder in seeking an Israel-Gaza cease-fire - The Washington Post

Obama looks for the easy answer that sides with Hamas instead of the intelligent answer that could appease both sides. It may take more time but in the long run would be the shortest timed answer because it could bring the two sides together. But that would get in the way of his vacations and fundraising.

at this point one can not appease both sides

Israel want to live in peace

while Hamas has devoted itself to killing every Jew

from behind every rock and tree

True story. You nailed it and it really is that simple.

Even the son of the Hamas founder came out and said that the sole purpose of Hamas was to eliminate Israel. Nothing has changed.

There is no conceivable reason to tolerate Hamas unless you support terrorism in the name of religion. Hamas will not honor any cease fire agreement. They just want Israel to stop retaliating, which is insane. What is it with this administration that they don't like anyone defending themselves? They want Israel to just take whatever punishment Hamas dishes out and they would prefer American citizens hand in their guns and be at the mercy of criminals.

Hamas could end this today if they wanted to, but they aren't about to abandon their goal of wiping Israel off the map. Whatever happens is solely on the leaders of Hamas and no one else.
 
Israel wants all the land, not peace. But Hamas cannot militarily defeat Israel, and it's goal remains to destroy a Jewish State. Neither of which is of vital strategic importance to the US. Meanwhile, the cost for Tehran tacitly cooperating on nukes is that hamas gets more funding. And, Tehran's cooperation affects our relations with OPEC, who not only sell us lots of oil but have lots of our IOU's.

So, I'd agree that Kerry and Obama are foolish to become involved. A two state solution and peace between the Pales and Jews is unachievable at this time, and frankly even if Israel becomes a fully apartheid state, most likely our strategic interests are not affected.
 
Israel wants all the land, not peace. But Hamas cannot militarily defeat Israel, and it's goal remains to destroy a Jewish State. Neither of which is of vital strategic importance to the US. Meanwhile, the cost for Tehran tacitly cooperating on nukes is that hamas gets more funding. And, Tehran's cooperation affects our relations with OPEC, who not only sell us lots of oil but have lots of our IOU's.

So, I'd agree that Kerry and Obama are foolish to become involved. A two state solution and peace between the Pales and Jews is unachievable at this time, and frankly even if Israel becomes a fully apartheid state, most likely our strategic interests are not affected.

Israel voluntarily gave up Gaza in return for nothing. Or did you miss that from your White House talking points memo?
 
Well it gave up gaza to appease the EU and save money, but meanwhile it's appropriating territory on the west bank, or did you miss that in Bibi's talking pts?
 
Well it gave up gaza to appease the EU and save money, but meanwhile it's appropriating territory on the west bank, or did you miss that in Bibi's talking pts?

The point stands. Israel does not want land. You are lying.
What territory is Israel appropriating on the West Bank? They have controlled the area since 1973 and never annexed it.
You are either lying outright or grossly ill informed.
 
BS, rabbi. you're just lying. Israel is taking land in the WB continuously. Israel can't have peace because war justifies its occupation of the WB. Fatah stops its attacks and Israel keeps taking land. And now you want Hamas to surrender. The noncombatants are pawns and both people are run by terrorists.

It's like deja vu all over again.
Who Started the Israel-Gaza Conflict? - Robert Wright - The Atlantic
 
John Kerry’s big blunder in seeking an Israel-Gaza cease-fire

Secretary of State John Kerry has made a significant mistake in how he’s pursuing a Gaza cease-fire — and it’s not surprising that he has upset both the Israelis and some moderate Palestinians.

Kerry’s error has been to put so much emphasis on achieving a quick halt to the bloodshed that he has solidified the role of Hamas, the intractable, unpopular Islamist group that leads Gaza, along with the two hard-line Islamist nations that are its key supporters, Qatar and Turkey.

In the process, he has undercut not simply the Israelis but also the Egyptians and the Fatah movement that runs the Palestinian Authority, all of which want to see an end to Hamas rule in Gaza.

John Kerry?s big blunder in seeking an Israel-Gaza cease-fire - The Washington Post

Obama looks for the easy answer that sides with Hamas instead of the intelligent answer that could appease both sides. It may take more time but in the long run would be the shortest timed answer because it could bring the two sides together. But that would get in the way of his vacations and fundraising.


this so called BS was debunked yesterday .... try and keep up.
 
John Kerry’s big blunder in seeking an Israel-Gaza cease-fire

Secretary of State John Kerry has made a significant mistake in how he’s pursuing a Gaza cease-fire — and it’s not surprising that he has upset both the Israelis and some moderate Palestinians.

Kerry’s error has been to put so much emphasis on achieving a quick halt to the bloodshed that he has solidified the role of Hamas, the intractable, unpopular Islamist group that leads Gaza, along with the two hard-line Islamist nations that are its key supporters, Qatar and Turkey.

In the process, he has undercut not simply the Israelis but also the Egyptians and the Fatah movement that runs the Palestinian Authority, all of which want to see an end to Hamas rule in Gaza.

John Kerry?s big blunder in seeking an Israel-Gaza cease-fire - The Washington Post

Obama looks for the easy answer that sides with Hamas instead of the intelligent answer that could appease both sides. It may take more time but in the long run would be the shortest timed answer because it could bring the two sides together. But that would get in the way of his vacations and fundraising.


this so called BS was debunked yesterday .... try and keep up.

Which is the part that was debunked?
 
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BS, rabbi. you're just lying. Israel is taking land in the WB continuously. Israel can't have peace because war justifies its occupation of the WB. Fatah stops its attacks and Israel keeps taking land. And now you want Hamas to surrender. The noncombatants are pawns and both people are run by terrorists.

It's like deja vu all over again.
Who Started the Israel-Gaza Conflict? - Robert Wright - The Atlantic

You a very much misinformed.
The West Bank belongs to Israel.

The area West of the Jordan (and, by the way, also East) were given to the Jews by the Principal Allied Powers at the Paris Peace Conference after WW1. Their decision was recorded in the minutes of the San Remo conference in April 1920. The Allied Powers were the only parties who had the right or power to dispose of this territory. This disposition was effected in the form of the Mandate for Palestine, which was adopted by the League of Nations in 1922 and assumed by the United Nations upon its creation in 1948, and nothing since 1922 changes the legal status of those internationally binding documents.
Who owns the West Bank? « Why Israel?

 
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Ah, no it does not. Jordan gave up title per the peace accords for a pale state.
 
Hamas rockets and tunnels are a joke (no deaths) vs 950 deaths...Israeli neocons are as bad as ours- with THEIR fundie and ignorant nutjobs....

How bout Israelis allowing Gaza trade with the outside world? There are solutions....
 
Hamas rockets and tunnels are a joke (no deaths) vs 950 deaths...Israeli neocons are as bad as ours- with THEIR fundie and ignorant nutjobs....

How bout Israelis allowing Gaza trade with the outside world? There are solutions....

Why, so they can bring in more missiles and armaments to attack Israel with easier.... I didn't know John Kerry posted under franco's name on USMB! :badgrin::badgrin::badgrin::eusa_clap:

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