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Are people saying that the navy's method of awarding medals is flawed?
Are people saying that the navy's method of awarding medals is flawed?
Absolutely. I was a medic in Vietnam and I would never have cheapened the award
by initiating the paperwork needed to get the award over such pathetic excuses for "wounds". It would never have occured to men in my unit to push for such a thing and they would have been highly insulted at any suggestion that they would make such an attempt. We may have had some sleezes and assholes in our unit but Kerry toped them all.
What does Bob Dole have to do with John Kerry faking his injures and putting himself in for a Purple Heart? If you want to compare Kerry to an authentic fake vet, use yourself as an example, asswipe.
Senator John Kerry is a great American patriot who had the balls to criticize U.S. atrocities in Vietnam.
He had the balls to lie to Congress.
He made it all up. Seriously. You CAN'T be this retarded.
Senator John Kerry is a great American patriot who had the balls to criticize U.S. atrocities in Vietnam.
He had the balls to lie to Congress.
He made it all up. Seriously. You CAN'T be this retarded.
Wow, he made all this up?
Winter Soldier Investigation: Table of Contents
He had the balls to lie to Congress.
He made it all up. Seriously. You CAN'T be this retarded.
Wow, he made all this up?
Winter Soldier Investigation: Table of Contents
Check it out:
WinterSoldier.com - Army CID Investigations of VVAW War Crimes Allegations
Senator John Kerry is a great American patriot who had the balls to criticize U.S. atrocities in Vietnam.
He had the balls to lie to Congress.
He made it all up. Seriously. You CAN'T be this retarded.
Wow, he made all this up?
Winter Soldier Investigation: Table of Contents
Many of the "witnesses" were never in combat.
So the soldiers whom Kerry relied on for his testemony did not want to incriminate themselves. At least in all but one case. Fact of the matter is Kerry didn't make it up. Some of those soldier may very well have, or at least embellished their war horror stories.
The navy says Kerry's awards are deserved and you say they are not, who to believe? Can it be that you do not want Kerry's decorations are not deserved because you resent his political actions? Should a military person's politics be part of the the consideration for the medal?
Kerry as SecDef would be a slap in the face to all the military, but most especially to Vietnam veterans, whom Kerry knowingly lied about in testimony to Congress.
WinterSoldier.com - Newly Discovered Army Reports Discredit "Winter Soldier" Claims
From March 13-16, 2008, members of the antiwar group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) will gather in Washington, DC to "testify" against the US military at a protest event called Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan. The name "Winter Soldier" is taken from the infamous 1971 event at which members of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) related gruesome stories of crimes they claimed to have participated in or witnessed. The VVAW insisted that rape, torture and murder were standard practices for the US military in Vietnam. Organizers of the new IVAW tribunal, which is supported by several former VVAW leaders, say the 1971 conference was where "a courageous group of veterans exposed the criminal nature of the Vietnam War." In reality, it was part of a sophisticated, vicious propaganda effort designed to poison public opinion against the US military. Newly discovered records now reveal what happened when Army investigators asked VVAW activists for evidence of the hundreds of crimes they claimed to have seen.Some of you may object by saying that the military would whitewash any wrongdoing.
In our book, To Set The Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry, Tim Ziegler and I trace the course of the anti-US war crimes propaganda campaign, which began in Europe with KGB-sponsored events that were organized before the first US ground troops ever arrived in Vietnam. In 1969, leaders of those conferences helped American radicals form the "Citizens Commission of Inquiry into US War Crimes in Indochina" (CCI), which set up a series of so-called investigations where US military actions in Vietnam were compared to those of Nazi Germany during World War II. The CCI soon joined forces with the VVAW, another leftist group created with financing and assistance from members of the Communist Party, USA, the Socialist Workers Party and the communist front Veterans for Peace.
The VVAW's Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI) took place in Detroit from Jan. 31 through Feb. 2, 1971. Financed primarily by pro-Hanoi actress Jane Fonda, the event's honorary national coordinator, WSI was the largest war crimes tribunal held in the US during the Vietnam War. Several of the discussion panel moderators were radical leaders who had previously met with top North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives in Hanoi and Paris. Also present were leftist psychiatrists, psychoanalysts and clinicians, who pressured the witnesses to help end the war by publicly confessing their "crimes." Former VVAW member Steve Pitkin later recalled how the civilians went from man to man, "bombarding them; laying on the guilt." Pitkin signed an affidavit in 2004 charging that John Kerry and other VVAW leaders had coerced him into making a false statement.
WSI was the source of the allegations John Kerry presented to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in April 1971, at a hearing set up by antiwar Senators to showcase the VVAW's atrocity tales. The highly publicized appearance launched Kerry's political career and helped to create a lasting image of Vietnam veterans as drugged-out murderers too damaged to function in normal society. Justice was served in 2004 when a political movement led by some of the veterans John Kerry had defamed sank his presidential bid.
Investigating the winter soldiers
In 2005, I visited the National Archives at College Park, Maryland with Vietnam veteran and researcher John Boyle. Sifting through the limited material available, we found summary data for the WSI allegations the Army had investigated. The Army's Criminal Investigative Division (CID) had opened cases for 43 WSI "witnesses" whose claims, if true, would qualify as crimes. An additional 25 Army WSI participants had criticized the military in general terms, without sufficient substance to warrant any investigation.
The 43 WSI CID cases were eventually resolved as follows: 25 WSI participants refused to cooperate, 13 provided information but failed to support the allegations, and five could not be located. No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the investigations. The individual CID case files, which had been available to the public beginning in 1994, were withdrawn from public access around 2003, when the National Archives realized that the documents should have been embargoed until the personal information they contained could be removed, or "redacted," as required by the Privacy Act of 1974.
Early in 2007, Boyle learned that a historian had copied the entire collection of CID war crime investigation summaries at the National Archives, including those involving the VVAW, while they were still publicly available. The historian permitted Boyle to photocopy these documents, which we have now posted at WinterSoldier.com:
Army CID Investigations of VVAW War Crimes Allegations
Not so.
The military had a very good reason to be thorough: Public relations. They would not want to give the impression that atrocities were officially sanctioned.
The Communist stooges on the left, however, had national attention, and used it. Of course, they had to resort to lies, but they have no compunction against lying.
The Winter Soldiers lied. Kerry lied.
This is undeniable.
So the soldiers whom Kerry relied on for his testemony did not want to incriminate themselves. At least in all but one case. Fact of the matter is Kerry didn't make it up. Some of those soldier may very well have, or at least embellished their war horror stories.
Anyone can Google "u.s. atrocities in vietnam"...
And unsurprisingly, hazlnutless comes down on the side of the liar and traitor.Kerry as SecDef would be a slap in the face to all the military, but most especially to Vietnam veterans, whom Kerry knowingly lied about in testimony to Congress.
WinterSoldier.com - Newly Discovered Army Reports Discredit "Winter Soldier" Claims
From March 13-16, 2008, members of the antiwar group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) will gather in Washington, DC to "testify" against the US military at a protest event called Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan. The name "Winter Soldier" is taken from the infamous 1971 event at which members of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) related gruesome stories of crimes they claimed to have participated in or witnessed. The VVAW insisted that rape, torture and murder were standard practices for the US military in Vietnam. Organizers of the new IVAW tribunal, which is supported by several former VVAW leaders, say the 1971 conference was where "a courageous group of veterans exposed the criminal nature of the Vietnam War." In reality, it was part of a sophisticated, vicious propaganda effort designed to poison public opinion against the US military. Newly discovered records now reveal what happened when Army investigators asked VVAW activists for evidence of the hundreds of crimes they claimed to have seen.Some of you may object by saying that the military would whitewash any wrongdoing.
In our book, To Set The Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry, Tim Ziegler and I trace the course of the anti-US war crimes propaganda campaign, which began in Europe with KGB-sponsored events that were organized before the first US ground troops ever arrived in Vietnam. In 1969, leaders of those conferences helped American radicals form the "Citizens Commission of Inquiry into US War Crimes in Indochina" (CCI), which set up a series of so-called investigations where US military actions in Vietnam were compared to those of Nazi Germany during World War II. The CCI soon joined forces with the VVAW, another leftist group created with financing and assistance from members of the Communist Party, USA, the Socialist Workers Party and the communist front Veterans for Peace.
The VVAW's Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI) took place in Detroit from Jan. 31 through Feb. 2, 1971. Financed primarily by pro-Hanoi actress Jane Fonda, the event's honorary national coordinator, WSI was the largest war crimes tribunal held in the US during the Vietnam War. Several of the discussion panel moderators were radical leaders who had previously met with top North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives in Hanoi and Paris. Also present were leftist psychiatrists, psychoanalysts and clinicians, who pressured the witnesses to help end the war by publicly confessing their "crimes." Former VVAW member Steve Pitkin later recalled how the civilians went from man to man, "bombarding them; laying on the guilt." Pitkin signed an affidavit in 2004 charging that John Kerry and other VVAW leaders had coerced him into making a false statement.
WSI was the source of the allegations John Kerry presented to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in April 1971, at a hearing set up by antiwar Senators to showcase the VVAW's atrocity tales. The highly publicized appearance launched Kerry's political career and helped to create a lasting image of Vietnam veterans as drugged-out murderers too damaged to function in normal society. Justice was served in 2004 when a political movement led by some of the veterans John Kerry had defamed sank his presidential bid.
Investigating the winter soldiers
In 2005, I visited the National Archives at College Park, Maryland with Vietnam veteran and researcher John Boyle. Sifting through the limited material available, we found summary data for the WSI allegations the Army had investigated. The Army's Criminal Investigative Division (CID) had opened cases for 43 WSI "witnesses" whose claims, if true, would qualify as crimes. An additional 25 Army WSI participants had criticized the military in general terms, without sufficient substance to warrant any investigation.
The 43 WSI CID cases were eventually resolved as follows: 25 WSI participants refused to cooperate, 13 provided information but failed to support the allegations, and five could not be located. No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the investigations. The individual CID case files, which had been available to the public beginning in 1994, were withdrawn from public access around 2003, when the National Archives realized that the documents should have been embargoed until the personal information they contained could be removed, or "redacted," as required by the Privacy Act of 1974.
Early in 2007, Boyle learned that a historian had copied the entire collection of CID war crime investigation summaries at the National Archives, including those involving the VVAW, while they were still publicly available. The historian permitted Boyle to photocopy these documents, which we have now posted at WinterSoldier.com:
Army CID Investigations of VVAW War Crimes Allegations
Not so.
The military had a very good reason to be thorough: Public relations. They would not want to give the impression that atrocities were officially sanctioned.
The Communist stooges on the left, however, had national attention, and used it. Of course, they had to resort to lies, but they have no compunction against lying.
The Winter Soldiers lied. Kerry lied.
This is undeniable.
The toe crud in John Kerry's vietnam boots has more worth than you.
Many of the "witnesses" were never in combat.
So the soldiers whom Kerry relied on for his testemony did not want to incriminate themselves. At least in all but one case. Fact of the matter is Kerry didn't make it up. Some of those soldier may very well have, or at least embellished their war horror stories.
They lied. Period. Only a fool would believe the WS testimony.
