John Kerry: Unfit for Service

[Sunni Man]

Navy Inspector General report on medals:

In September 2004, Vice Admiral Ronald A. Route, the Navy Inspector General, completed a review of Kerry's combat medals, initiated at the request of Judicial Watch. In a memo to the Secretary of the Navy, Gordon England, Route stated:

“ Our examination found that existing documentation regarding the Silver Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart medals indicates the awards approval process was properly followed. In particular, the senior officers who awarded the medals were properly delegated authority to do so. In addition, we found that they correctly followed the procedures in place at the time for approving these awards

Conducting any additional review regarding events that took place over 30 years ago would not be productive. The passage of time would make reconstruction of the facts and circumstances unreliable, and would not allow the information gathered to be considered in the context of the time in which the events took place.

Our review also considered the fact that Senator Kerry's post-active duty activities were public and that military and civilian officials were aware of his actions at the time. For these reasons, I have determined that Senator Kerry's awards were properly approved and will take no further action in this matter.

John Kerry military service controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[usmcstinger]

You were wearing blinders.

Were you there? No? Then you're hardly in a position to speak authoritatively, are you?

I have spoken to too many guys who were there who told me different. In fact, I have never spoken to anyone who was there who told it like your delusional friend here. NO ONE, and I knew a lot of guys who fought there. You are stupid enough to back anyone who argues with a liberal, so you have no credibility.

Wow you to talked to Vietnam Vets. There are enough wannabes out their lying. However, you don't have any way to tell the difference. Heck, you couldn't tell the difference between a Vietnam ERA Vet and an In Country Vietnam Vet. How could anyone believe a Number 10 Dinky Dau like you.

 

[Sunni Man]

Politically, I can't stand John Kerry; just another democrat Obama worshiping limousine liberal.

But to attack his vietnam war record is beyond despicable.

Especially when it comes from fellow VNV vets.

Kerry was part of the brown-water navy and in command of a Swift boat.

Swift boats were in constant action and engaged in many fire fights; mainly from ambushes.

And the casualty rate for crew members was extremely high.

Hate him for his politics........that's fine.

But he is a decorated war hero who should be thanked for his servive to our nation.

 

[longknife]

As a non-combat Vietnam veteran whose job was to prepare/review, and process awards and decorations, I agree that Kerry's medals were received in accordance with military regulations!

What they did NOT discuss was the truth of the statements used to prepare and process those awards!

Someone writes up the award application [and Kerry admitted he did so for the Bronze Star awards.] As for the Purple Hearts, all that was needed was an affidavit from a medic that ANY type of treatment was given for wounds incurred in a combat situation.

Personal story - I was in a Huey chopper that made a hard landing because of friendly fire. According to the medic aboard the chopper, ALL of us were eligible for the PH. [As the awards NCO, mine got "lost".]

While I despise Kerry as an individual who used his military service for political gains, I have no choice but to admit that his 28 years serving on the Senate Foreign Relations committee makes him uniquely qualified to replace Billary!

 

[Truthmatters]

Kerry IS a war hero.


this is how sick your party has become.


take your party back from the weasels who will lie about ANYTHING to win political power.


STOP your crazy members from trashing YOUR party

 

[mudwhistle]

Kerry as SecDef would be a slap in the face to all the military, but most especially to Vietnam veterans, whom Kerry knowingly lied about in testimony to Congress.

WinterSoldier.com - Newly Discovered Army Reports Discredit "Winter Soldier" Claims

From March 13-16, 2008, members of the antiwar group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) will gather in Washington, DC to "testify" against the US military at a protest event called Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan. The name "Winter Soldier" is taken from the infamous 1971 event at which members of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) related gruesome stories of crimes they claimed to have participated in or witnessed. The VVAW insisted that rape, torture and murder were standard practices for the US military in Vietnam. Organizers of the new IVAW tribunal, which is supported by several former VVAW leaders, say the 1971 conference was where "a courageous group of veterans exposed the criminal nature of the Vietnam War." In reality, it was part of a sophisticated, vicious propaganda effort designed to poison public opinion against the US military. Newly discovered records now reveal what happened when Army investigators asked VVAW activists for evidence of the hundreds of crimes they claimed to have seen.

In our book, To Set The Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry, Tim Ziegler and I trace the course of the anti-US war crimes propaganda campaign, which began in Europe with KGB-sponsored events that were organized before the first US ground troops ever arrived in Vietnam. In 1969, leaders of those conferences helped American radicals form the "Citizens Commission of Inquiry into US War Crimes in Indochina" (CCI), which set up a series of so-called investigations where US military actions in Vietnam were compared to those of Nazi Germany during World War II. The CCI soon joined forces with the VVAW, another leftist group created with financing and assistance from members of the Communist Party, USA, the Socialist Workers Party and the communist front Veterans for Peace.

The VVAW's Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI) took place in Detroit from Jan. 31 through Feb. 2, 1971. Financed primarily by pro-Hanoi actress Jane Fonda, the event's honorary national coordinator, WSI was the largest war crimes tribunal held in the US during the Vietnam War. Several of the discussion panel moderators were radical leaders who had previously met with top North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives in Hanoi and Paris. Also present were leftist psychiatrists, psychoanalysts and clinicians, who pressured the witnesses to help end the war by publicly confessing their "crimes." Former VVAW member Steve Pitkin later recalled how the civilians went from man to man, "bombarding them; laying on the guilt." Pitkin signed an affidavit in 2004 charging that John Kerry and other VVAW leaders had coerced him into making a false statement.

WSI was the source of the allegations John Kerry presented to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in April 1971, at a hearing set up by antiwar Senators to showcase the VVAW's atrocity tales. The highly publicized appearance launched Kerry's political career and helped to create a lasting image of Vietnam veterans as drugged-out murderers too damaged to function in normal society. Justice was served in 2004 when a political movement led by some of the veterans John Kerry had defamed sank his presidential bid.

Investigating the winter soldiers

In 2005, I visited the National Archives at College Park, Maryland with Vietnam veteran and researcher John Boyle. Sifting through the limited material available, we found summary data for the WSI allegations the Army had investigated. The Army's Criminal Investigative Division (CID) had opened cases for 43 WSI "witnesses" whose claims, if true, would qualify as crimes. An additional 25 Army WSI participants had criticized the military in general terms, without sufficient substance to warrant any investigation.

The 43 WSI CID cases were eventually resolved as follows: 25 WSI participants refused to cooperate, 13 provided information but failed to support the allegations, and five could not be located. No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the investigations. The individual CID case files, which had been available to the public beginning in 1994, were withdrawn from public access around 2003, when the National Archives realized that the documents should have been embargoed until the personal information they contained could be removed, or "redacted," as required by the Privacy Act of 1974.

Early in 2007, Boyle learned that a historian had copied the entire collection of CID war crime investigation summaries at the National Archives, including those involving the VVAW, while they were still publicly available. The historian permitted Boyle to photocopy these documents, which we have now posted at WinterSoldier.com:

Army CID Investigations of VVAW War Crimes Allegations

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Some of you may object by saying that the military would whitewash any wrongdoing.

Not so.

The military had a very good reason to be thorough: Public relations. They would not want to give the impression that atrocities were officially sanctioned.

The Communist stooges on the left, however, had national attention, and used it. Of course, they had to resort to lies, but they have no compunction against lying.

The Winter Soldiers lied. Kerry lied.

This is undeniable.

Compared to Hillary he's decent.

Face it.....this is the best the Dems have to offer.

 

[Truthmatters]

why do they deny cold hard facts at every turn?


when will facts matter to these people again?

 

[hazlnut]

The GOPs war hero, Johnny McCain, went off the deep end after he lost the election. He blames himself for bringing worst the GOP and America has to offer, Sarah Palin, to the public light.

 

[Warrior102]

It's a damned good thing Obama chose Kerry for this.
Can you imagine him selecting some "out of touch" elite rich guy for the position? You know - the type of people Libberhoids detest?

 

[Sunni Man]

Liberals hate 1% Republicans with a passion.

But 1% Democrats get a free pass.

 

[daveman]

John Kerry, decorated American combat veteran!

John kerry the cry baby who had to lie and beg for medals and cower from battle. But then a perfect hero for idiots like you.

If Kerry hadn't entered politics he would just be another vet, and if he hadn't criticized the Vietnam war he would just be another vet. It was Kerry's entry into politics and running for president that the opposition had to dig up something to deflate the hero business, and with T.Boone Picken's millions they thought they had found it. To me Kerry is just another vet, true a vet that criticized a war that needed to be criticized.

There's a difference between criticism and outright fabrications.

 

[usmcstinger]

Senator John Kerry is a great American patriot who had the balls to criticize U.S. atrocities in Vietnam.

He had the balls to lie to Congress.

He made it all up. Seriously. You CAN'T be this retarded.

"The VVAW insisted that rape, torture and murder were standard practices for the US military in Vietnam."

This statement you are saying is a lie? What proof do you have it is a lie and not a cover up? We know that rape, torture and murder occur in every war, so why would you say it didn't happen in Vietnam?

You are just another ass hole who never served in the military. You have no credible source to prove Kerry told the truth. Where is your proof that rape, torture and murder were standard practices in Vietnam. By the way who is We?
The only thing you know about Vietnam is you were never there.

Jerks like you would soil themselves at the thought of having to serve in the Military.

I served in Vietnam with the 1st Bn 4th Marines in the Northern I Corps where it was just us and the North Vietnamese Army. If you knew our TAOR, then you would know that your bull shit lies could not have taken place.

 

[usmcstinger]

You think going around beating up on third world countries is making us stronger?

Or well liked in the world?

Beside the point. Do you think making nasty false claims about our own troops makes us stronger or more liked?

I think the policies hurt a lot more.

The world nearly universally condemned the US for what it did in Vietnam, which everyone who is sane now admits was a horrible mistake.

(Not a partisan thing, both parties had a hand in the awfulness.)

Same with Iraq. A huge mistake in retrospect.

Kerry just got them right a little earlier than everyone else did.

Also, I get a little tired of guys like you saying you are standing up for the troops.

Standing up for the troops is not sending them off into foolish wars because the politicians have egos larger than their reason.

"I'm tired of old men dreaming up wars for young men to fight". - George McGovern

Dwight D. Eisenhower never saw 5 minutes of Combat during his military career.

 

[Desperado]

Before I read this I was doubtful of John Kerry being Secretary of State after reading this I may agree with John Kerry being Secretary of State.

Neo-con Bill Kristol: John Kerry Hasn’t Supported Enough Wars to Be Secretary of State
Bill Kristol: John Kerry Hasn't Supported Enough Wars to Be Secretary of State | Video Cafe

 

[usmcstinger]

We lost the war in Viet Nam when Walter Cronkite lied about our victory in the Tet Offensive. That was the turning point for us to forego victory in favor of leaving.

He didn't lie and you know nothing about the of TET Offensive's negative impact on the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese Army. Do the research ass wipe.

 

[Warrior102]

Kerry strikes me as an officer who any enlisted man would despise back in the 60's.
Hell - in ANY generation for that matter!!
Elitist. College boy. Wealthy/Rich. Officer. Inexperienced. Massachusetts.
Christ.... what's not to hate about a fucker like this.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Run, along, Poser.....


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[Sunni Man]

Kerry strikes me as an officer who any enlisted man would despise back in the 60's.
Hell - in ANY generation for that matter!!
Elitist. College boy. Wealthy/Rich. Officer. Inexperienced. Massachusetts.
Christ.... what's not to hate about a fucker like this.

We had several ROTC college boy officers just like him in our unit.

They were all gung-ho and out to prove something.......but they didn't know jack sh!t.

And could get you killed in a minute.

When they gave an order.....we would look at our NCO for confirmation before we would make a move.

 

[9thIDdoc]

 

[mudwhistle]

Did I say this was the best the Dems can do?


So for them it's a decent choice.