CDZ Keeping the kids safe.

[Esmeralda]

Now you want to outlaw stupidity?

How about outlawing the stupidity of not making kids wear seatbelts while riding in a car?

the stupidity of driving drunk, while kids are in the car?

the stupidity of allowing kids to go swimming without adult supervision?

or a thousand other ways adults show their stupidity in regards to kids?

I am asking questions in the CDZ in the hope it can be discussed in an adult way.

that's what the CDZ is for.

Cars, drunk drivers, swimming pools, are more dangerous than guns to children.

That's why I brought them up

Cars and swimming pools have a purpose completely unrelated to death and violence. Guns have only one purpose: death and violence. The attempt to compare a swmming pool or a car to a gun is to make a false analogy. Try to be logical.

"Guns have only one purpose: death and violence."

Where does self defence fit into that? EG. If a maniac is coming at you with a machete and you have a gun what are you supposed to do? Not shoot him because it will result in his death? Not shooting him results in what exactly? Oh that's right it results in your death. WTF?!

Do you live in a high crime area? Because that is the only reason even thinking about needing a gun for self defense would be logical. And if you live in a high crime area compelling you to be armed, why don't you just move?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

We have seven children in our home and also guns. Never had an accident or anything close to one because we are responsible, keep the guns away from them and have taught them gun safety. They all know repercussions will be swift and severe if they mess with any of the guns.

Every time some idiot lets a child do this out of neglect the left whines, wails and moans.

but at least this time the OP didn't try to blame the NRA for it

Yeah, it's really pathetic someone woould be upset over the death of a child, 'whining, wailing and moaning' because an innocent life was snuffed out. Really annoying of anyone to care isn't it?

The entire point of the OP isn't about being upset about the death of that child, it's about what can be done to prevent children by accident being killed by guns and that's be responded to in this thread multiple times, that no Government can legislate to make parents take personal responsibility and not be stupid and forget to put the gun safety lock on etc.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Now you want to outlaw stupidity?

How about outlawing the stupidity of not making kids wear seatbelts while riding in a car?

the stupidity of driving drunk, while kids are in the car?

the stupidity of allowing kids to go swimming without adult supervision?

or a thousand other ways adults show their stupidity in regards to kids?

I am asking questions in the CDZ in the hope it can be discussed in an adult way.

that's what the CDZ is for.

Cars, drunk drivers, swimming pools, are more dangerous than guns to children.

That's why I brought them up

Cars and swimming pools have a purpose completely unrelated to death and violence. Guns have only one purpose: death and violence. The attempt to compare a swmming pool or a car to a gun is to make a false analogy. Try to be logical.

"Guns have only one purpose: death and violence."

Where does self defence fit into that? EG. If a maniac is coming at you with a machete and you have a gun what are you supposed to do? Not shoot him because it will result in his death? Not shooting him results in what exactly? Oh that's right it results in your death. WTF?!

Do you live in a high crime area? Because that is the only reason even thinking about needing a gun for self defense would be logical. And if you live in a high crime area compelling you to be armed, why don't you just move?

Okay what about if you have a gun because you go hunting?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

We have seven children in our home and also guns. Never had an accident or anything close to one because we are responsible, keep the guns away from them and have taught them gun safety. They all know repercussions will be swift and severe if they mess with any of the guns.

Every time some idiot lets a child do this out of neglect the left whines, wails and moans.

but at least this time the OP didn't try to blame the NRA for it

Yeah, it's really pathetic someone woould be upset over the death of a child, 'whining, wailing and moaning' because an innocent life was snuffed out. Really annoying of anyone to care isn't it?

You're not concerned about the children...you are using them as pawns. Politicizing their desths.

 

[Esmeralda]

I am asking questions in the CDZ in the hope it can be discussed in an adult way.

that's what the CDZ is for.

Cars, drunk drivers, swimming pools, are more dangerous than guns to children.

That's why I brought them up

Cars and swimming pools have a purpose completely unrelated to death and violence. Guns have only one purpose: death and violence. The attempt to compare a swmming pool or a car to a gun is to make a false analogy. Try to be logical.

"Guns have only one purpose: death and violence."

Where does self defence fit into that? EG. If a maniac is coming at you with a machete and you have a gun what are you supposed to do? Not shoot him because it will result in his death? Not shooting him results in what exactly? Oh that's right it results in your death. WTF?!

Do you live in a high crime area? Because that is the only reason even thinking about needing a gun for self defense would be logical. And if you live in a high crime area compelling you to be armed, why don't you just move?

Okay what about if you have a gun because you go hunting?

It wouldn't be a hand gun and it shouldn't be an automatic or semi-automatic gun if it is for hunting: a true sportsman doesn't need an automatic weapon to hunt. And they should be locked up. There should be laws requiring hunting rifles to be locked up. In some countries, people are required to keep hunting guns locked up at a sports club and only take them out when they go hunting or for target practice at the club. The problem with US gun laws is that there are so few restrictions.

 

[Esmeralda]

We have seven children in our home and also guns. Never had an accident or anything close to one because we are responsible, keep the guns away from them and have taught them gun safety. They all know repercussions will be swift and severe if they mess with any of the guns.

Every time some idiot lets a child do this out of neglect the left whines, wails and moans.

but at least this time the OP didn't try to blame the NRA for it

Yeah, it's really pathetic someone woould be upset over the death of a child, 'whining, wailing and moaning' because an innocent life was snuffed out. Really annoying of anyone to care isn't it?

You're not concerned about the children...you are using them as pawns. Politicizing their desths.

That's an absolute lie, and it is despicable to say I don't care about the deaths of children. Utterly and absolutely despicable. Shame on you! Shame!!!

 

[miketx]

Now you want to outlaw stupidity?

How about outlawing the stupidity of not making kids wear seatbelts while riding in a car?

the stupidity of driving drunk, while kids are in the car?

the stupidity of allowing kids to go swimming without adult supervision?

or a thousand other ways adults show their stupidity in regards to kids?

I am asking questions in the CDZ in the hope it can be discussed in an adult way.

that's what the CDZ is for.

Cars, drunk drivers, swimming pools, are more dangerous than guns to children.

That's why I brought them up

Cars and swimming pools have a purpose completely unrelated to death and violence. Guns have only one purpose: death and violence. The attempt to compare a swmming pool or a car to a gun is to make a false analogy. Try to be logical.

"Guns have only one purpose: death and violence."

Where does self defence fit into that? EG. If a maniac is coming at you with a machete and you have a gun what are you supposed to do? Not shoot him because it will result in his death? Not shooting him results in what exactly? Oh that's right it results in your death. WTF?!

Do you live in a high crime area? Because that is the only reason even thinking about needing a gun for self defense would be logical. And if you live in a high crime area compelling you to be armed, why don't you just move?

Do you ever stop lying about guns? Every gun used to shoot someone has had a person connected to it - usually a democrat that his mommy didn't love him enough. You want the guns, come take them. Other than that you have NOTHING to add tho this except gun banner crap! How about eliminating gun free ones that are PROVEN to get people killed? NO? Then you must want kids murdered.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

that's what the CDZ is for.

Cars, drunk drivers, swimming pools, are more dangerous than guns to children.

That's why I brought them up

Cars and swimming pools have a purpose completely unrelated to death and violence. Guns have only one purpose: death and violence. The attempt to compare a swmming pool or a car to a gun is to make a false analogy. Try to be logical.

"Guns have only one purpose: death and violence."

Where does self defence fit into that? EG. If a maniac is coming at you with a machete and you have a gun what are you supposed to do? Not shoot him because it will result in his death? Not shooting him results in what exactly? Oh that's right it results in your death. WTF?!

Do you live in a high crime area? Because that is the only reason even thinking about needing a gun for self defense would be logical. And if you live in a high crime area compelling you to be armed, why don't you just move?

Okay what about if you have a gun because you go hunting?

It wouldn't be a hand gun and it shouldn't be an automatic or semi-automatic gun if it is for hunting: a true sportsman doesn't need an automatic weapon to hunt. And they should be locked up. There should be laws requiring hunting rifles to be locked up. In some countries, people are required to keep hunting guns locked up at a sports club and only take them out when they go hunting or for target practice at the club. The problem with US gun laws is that there are so few restrictions.

Semi automatics are used for all types of hunting.

Automatic weapons are illegal

You are clueless

 

[Esmeralda]

We have seven children in our home and also guns. Never had an accident or anything close to one because we are responsible, keep the guns away from them and have taught them gun safety. They all know repercussions will be swift and severe if they mess with any of the guns.

Every time some idiot lets a child do this out of neglect the left whines, wails and moans.

but at least this time the OP didn't try to blame the NRA for it

Yeah, it's really pathetic someone woould be upset over the death of a child, 'whining, wailing and moaning' because an innocent life was snuffed out. Really annoying of anyone to care isn't it?

You're not concerned about the children...you are using them as pawns. Politicizing their desths.

This is a personal attack on me which is against CDZ rules and you will be reported.

 

[Esmeralda]

Cars and swimming pools have a purpose completely unrelated to death and violence. Guns have only one purpose: death and violence. The attempt to compare a swmming pool or a car to a gun is to make a false analogy. Try to be logical.

"Guns have only one purpose: death and violence."

Where does self defence fit into that? EG. If a maniac is coming at you with a machete and you have a gun what are you supposed to do? Not shoot him because it will result in his death? Not shooting him results in what exactly? Oh that's right it results in your death. WTF?!

Do you live in a high crime area? Because that is the only reason even thinking about needing a gun for self defense would be logical. And if you live in a high crime area compelling you to be armed, why don't you just move?

Okay what about if you have a gun because you go hunting?

It wouldn't be a hand gun and it shouldn't be an automatic or semi-automatic gun if it is for hunting: a true sportsman doesn't need an automatic weapon to hunt. And they should be locked up. There should be laws requiring hunting rifles to be locked up. In some countries, people are required to keep hunting guns locked up at a sports club and only take them out when they go hunting or for target practice at the club. The problem with US gun laws is that there are so few restrictions.

Semi automatics are used for all types of hunting.

Automatic weapons are illegal

You are clueless

I know they are used for it and they shouldn't be, that was my point.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

We have seven children in our home and also guns. Never had an accident or anything close to one because we are responsible, keep the guns away from them and have taught them gun safety. They all know repercussions will be swift and severe if they mess with any of the guns.

Every time some idiot lets a child do this out of neglect the left whines, wails and moans.

but at least this time the OP didn't try to blame the NRA for it

Yeah, it's really pathetic someone woould be upset over the death of a child, 'whining, wailing and moaning' because an innocent life was snuffed out. Really annoying of anyone to care isn't it?

You're not concerned about the children...you are using them as pawns. Politicizing their desths.

That's an absolute lie, and it is despicable to say I don't care about the deaths of children. Utterly and absolutely despicable. Shame on you! Shame!!!

Mhm...what"s your thoughts on abortion?

 

[miketx]

We have seven children in our home and also guns. Never had an accident or anything close to one because we are responsible, keep the guns away from them and have taught them gun safety. They all know repercussions will be swift and severe if they mess with any of the guns.

Every time some idiot lets a child do this out of neglect the left whines, wails and moans.

but at least this time the OP didn't try to blame the NRA for it

Yeah, it's really pathetic someone woould be upset over the death of a child, 'whining, wailing and moaning' because an innocent life was snuffed out. Really annoying of anyone to care isn't it?

You're not concerned about the children...you are using them as pawns. Politicizing their desths.

This is a personal attack on me which is against CDZ rules and you will be reported.

Facts are fact thought right? YOU know what facts are right?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

We have seven children in our home and also guns. Never had an accident or anything close to one because we are responsible, keep the guns away from them and have taught them gun safety. They all know repercussions will be swift and severe if they mess with any of the guns.

Every time some idiot lets a child do this out of neglect the left whines, wails and moans.

but at least this time the OP didn't try to blame the NRA for it

Yeah, it's really pathetic someone woould be upset over the death of a child, 'whining, wailing and moaning' because an innocent life was snuffed out. Really annoying of anyone to care isn't it?

You're not concerned about the children...you are using them as pawns. Politicizing their desths.

This is a personal attack on me which is against CDZ rules and you will be reported.

Oh good grief...you are ignored.

 

[miketx]

"Guns have only one purpose: death and violence."

Where does self defence fit into that? EG. If a maniac is coming at you with a machete and you have a gun what are you supposed to do? Not shoot him because it will result in his death? Not shooting him results in what exactly? Oh that's right it results in your death. WTF?!

Do you live in a high crime area? Because that is the only reason even thinking about needing a gun for self defense would be logical. And if you live in a high crime area compelling you to be armed, why don't you just move?

Okay what about if you have a gun because you go hunting?

It wouldn't be a hand gun and it shouldn't be an automatic or semi-automatic gun if it is for hunting: a true sportsman doesn't need an automatic weapon to hunt. And they should be locked up. There should be laws requiring hunting rifles to be locked up. In some countries, people are required to keep hunting guns locked up at a sports club and only take them out when they go hunting or for target practice at the club. The problem with US gun laws is that there are so few restrictions.

Semi automatics are used for all types of hunting.

Automatic weapons are illegal

You are clueless

I know they are used for it and they shouldn't be, that was my point.

Your only point is banning guns that have nothing to do with safety.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Talladega 5-year-old dies after accidental shooting

So here we have another infant "accidentally" shot with a gun that he found in the home.


Police responded to a scene at 7:30 a.m. to find the boy suffering from a single gunshot wound, according to the officials. They sent the child to Citizen's Brookwood/Baptist Medical Center where he was pronounced dead around 8:30 a.m.

On Friday, Busby identified the victim as Michael Swain, Jr. Swain was found to have accidentally shot himself with a handgun he found in the home.

So this isnt gang related or drug related. No criminal activity at all apart from the gross negligence of the parents.

And yet this happens every day.

Are there any laws to protect Michael and the hundreds of other victims ? Are you required by law to keep your guns in a safe place ?

How are kids protected against the stupidity of their parents ?

When a kid puts a penny in a wall outlet do you call for the ban of pennies and electricity?

No, you do not!

So with parents that own firearms it should be left up to the State to see how the parent should be punished for allowing their child to get hold of their firearm and kill themselves or someone with it.

Outlawing the weapon will do little but you know this already but of course you live in the U.K. and believe your style of life can be done here in the States where over 300 milliin people live in Fifty states.

If you really do look at studies at accidental death is the leading cause of deaths with Children in the States and that includes Firearms, Auto and so on.

With the third larget population in the world and a liberal government of laws, well you will have casualtiesof innocent victims.

Death among children and adolescents: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

[QUOTE="Tommy Tainant, post: 19264288, member: 56584
Perhaps they deserve their own threads ?
This one is about the danger of guns in the home.

Of course it is.

It's always about taking our guns away.

Guess what: we're going to keep our guns, because when seconds count, the police are minutes away, so we're keeping our guns to shoot intruders. And varmints and other such problems. And that's the name of that tune, so stop dressing up YET ANOTHER anti-gun thread with another fake outrage.

There are some freedoms set in stone in 2018, one is guns and the other is freedom to have abortions. Let's keep some freedom around this benighted country.

It could be about a lot of different things. But you dont seem to think that anything could,or should, be done to stop these kids being shot[/QUOTE]

Like Will wrote you can not stop the stupidity of Parents!

Kids die daily because of a parent or guardian neglect but you only focus on the ones with firearm accidents.

So the answer to your question is to ban breeding and if not well then enjoy because the Second Amendment is not going anywhere!

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

"Guns have only one purpose: death and violence."

Where does self defence fit into that? EG. If a maniac is coming at you with a machete and you have a gun what are you supposed to do? Not shoot him because it will result in his death? Not shooting him results in what exactly? Oh that's right it results in your death. WTF?!

Do you live in a high crime area? Because that is the only reason even thinking about needing a gun for self defense would be logical. And if you live in a high crime area compelling you to be armed, why don't you just move?

Okay what about if you have a gun because you go hunting?

It wouldn't be a hand gun and it shouldn't be an automatic or semi-automatic gun if it is for hunting: a true sportsman doesn't need an automatic weapon to hunt. And they should be locked up. There should be laws requiring hunting rifles to be locked up. In some countries, people are required to keep hunting guns locked up at a sports club and only take them out when they go hunting or for target practice at the club. The problem with US gun laws is that there are so few restrictions.

Semi automatics are used for all types of hunting.

Automatic weapons are illegal

You are clueless

I know they are used for it and they shouldn't be, that was my point.

Why shouldn't semi automatics be used for hunting? I think if you notice how many peoples own semi automatics for hunting you would see that 98% of them are responsible gun owners.

America has 250 million guns in the hands of predominantly responsible gun owners, why do you want to punish law abiding Americans for a tiny minority of peoples who are either mentally ill or have a grudge against society and go on a shooting spree? Or the tiny minority of children who tragically are killed by a gun by an accident?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

[QUOTE="Tommy Tainant, post: 19264288, member: 56584
Perhaps they deserve their own threads ?
This one is about the danger of guns in the home.

Of course it is.

It's always about taking our guns away.

Guess what: we're going to keep our guns, because when seconds count, the police are minutes away, so we're keeping our guns to shoot intruders. And varmints and other such problems. And that's the name of that tune, so stop dressing up YET ANOTHER anti-gun thread with another fake outrage.

There are some freedoms set in stone in 2018, one is guns and the other is freedom to have abortions. Let's keep some freedom around this benighted country.

It could be about a lot of different things. But you dont seem to think that anything could,or should, be done to stop these kids being shot

Like Will wrote you can not stop the stupidity of Parents!

Kids die daily because of a parent or guardian neglect but you only focus on the ones with firearm accidents.

So the answer to your question is to ban breeding and if not well then enjoy because the Second Amendment is not going anywhere![/QUOTE]

Well society makes adjustments in many areas to protect kids from the stupidity of their parents.
Safety caps on bleach.
Safety caps on medicines.

Neither of these required the parent to be intelligent.

Why cant guns be made safer ? My phone switches off after 10 minutes without use. Why cant guns do the same ? Why cant law enforcement make visits to gun owners that have kids ?

Gun owners in the UK have home visits as part of the process for having guns. Other countries do the same. Why is there such a problem with reasonable safety measures ?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Do you live in a high crime area? Because that is the only reason even thinking about needing a gun for self defense would be logical. And if you live in a high crime area compelling you to be armed, why don't you just move?

Okay what about if you have a gun because you go hunting?

It wouldn't be a hand gun and it shouldn't be an automatic or semi-automatic gun if it is for hunting: a true sportsman doesn't need an automatic weapon to hunt. And they should be locked up. There should be laws requiring hunting rifles to be locked up. In some countries, people are required to keep hunting guns locked up at a sports club and only take them out when they go hunting or for target practice at the club. The problem with US gun laws is that there are so few restrictions.

Semi automatics are used for all types of hunting.

Automatic weapons are illegal

You are clueless

I know they are used for it and they shouldn't be, that was my point.

Why shouldn't semi automatics be used for hunting? I think if you notice how many peoples own semi automatics for hunting you would see that 98% of them are responsible gun owners.

America has 250 million guns in the hands of predominantly responsible gun owners, why do you want to punish law abiding Americans for a tiny minority of peoples who are either mentally ill or have a grudge against society and go on a shooting spree? Or the tiny minority of children who tragically are killed by a gun by an accident?

Most of the anit-gun writers on this board have no clue how criminals usually get their firearms.

Most of the time ( not all ) guns are eother stolen or straw purchased which make it illegal to have the firearm.

It is easy to buy a stolen gun or get one through straw purchases and yet the seller and criminal are the one used to tell law abiding citizens that they should not be allow to own a firearm because the criminal might get a gun and use it.

Fact is murder is illegal and so is child neglect, so how many more laws does a society need to tell the stupid and criminals that they can not kill or neglect?

Removing the firearm does little to stop the stupidity of humanity but because it goes bang bang the anit-gun writers feel no one should own one...

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

[QUOTE="Tommy Tainant, post: 19264288, member: 56584
Perhaps they deserve their own threads ?
This one is about the danger of guns in the home.

Of course it is.

It's always about taking our guns away.

Guess what: we're going to keep our guns, because when seconds count, the police are minutes away, so we're keeping our guns to shoot intruders. And varmints and other such problems. And that's the name of that tune, so stop dressing up YET ANOTHER anti-gun thread with another fake outrage.

There are some freedoms set in stone in 2018, one is guns and the other is freedom to have abortions. Let's keep some freedom around this benighted country.

It could be about a lot of different things. But you dont seem to think that anything could,or should, be done to stop these kids being shot

Like Will wrote you can not stop the stupidity of Parents!

Kids die daily because of a parent or guardian neglect but you only focus on the ones with firearm accidents.

So the answer to your question is to ban breeding and if not well then enjoy because the Second Amendment is not going anywhere!

Well society makes adjustments in many areas to protect kids from the stupidity of their parents.
Safety caps on bleach.
Safety caps on medicines.

Neither of these required the parent to be intelligent.

Why cant guns be made safer ? My phone switches off after 10 minutes without use. Why cant guns do the same ? Why cant law enforcement make visits to gun owners that have kids ?

Gun owners in the UK have home visits as part of the process for having guns. Other countries do the same. Why is there such a problem with reasonable safety measures ?[/QUOTE]

^^^^ Quote thing is fucked up again, not the first time I have noticed.

"Why cant law enforcement make visits to gun owners that have kids ?"

How would that work? Do you know how many gun owners there are in America? They have 200 million guns. So law enforcement would be spending how much time making visits to all gun owners who have children? In the mean time criminals would be having a great time because so many law enforcement officials would be wasting time visiting gun owners who have children.