Zone1 Knowledge, the forbidden fruit

[Woodznutz]

Might wanna do some research..................

Origins of Judaism - Wikipedia

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The origins of Judaism lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic ancient Semitic religions, specifically evolving out of the polytheistic ancient Canaanite religion, then co-existing with Babylonian religion, and syncretizing elements of Babylonian belief into the worship of Yahweh as reflected in the early prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible.

During the Iron Age I, the Israelite religion became distinct from the Canaanite polytheism out of which it evolved. This process began with the development of Yahwism, the monolatristic worship of Yahweh, one of the Canaanite gods, that gave acknowledgment to the existence of the other Canaanite gods, but suppressed their worship. Later, this monolatristic belief cemented into a strict monotheistic belief and worship of Yahweh alone, with the rejection of the existence of all other gods, whether Canaanite or foreign.

History of Christianity - Wikipedia

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Early Christianity (c. 31/33–324)[edit]​

Main article: History of early Christianity
Early Christianity is generally reckoned by church historians to begin with the ministry of Jesus (c. 27–30) and end with the First Council of Nicaea (325). It is typically divided into two periods: the Apostolic Age (c. 30–100, when the first apostles were still alive) and the Ante-Nicene Period (c. 100–325).[68]


Judaism was already well established and a major religion when Jesus (who incidentally was Jewish) came around. Christianity started with the ministry of Jesus, and later, Paul.

Both Judaism and Christianity had their beginnings at the same time, at the foot of Mt. Sinai. The Jews (Pharisees) took over the religion from the Levites about 150 BCE. Christianity took over after the destruction of the temple in 70-73 A.D. However, Judaism was kept alive in the Diaspora and is the Jewish religion today. Christianity was brought to the other Israelite tribes by the apostles and is our religion today.

 

[BreezeWood]

Both Judaism and Christianity had their beginnings at the same time, at the foot of Mt. Sinai. The Jews took over the religion from the Levites about 150 BCE. Christianity took over after the destruction of the temple in 70-73 A.D.

- and by your logic - islam took over in the year 610 ... the desert trinity.

 

[Flash]

What knowledge do you suppose these people might have acquired that would have resulted in them from walking with God to not walking with God?

Free Will can be a sonofabitch sometimes.

 

[Woodznutz]

- and by your logic - islam took over in the year 610 ... the desert trinity.

Islam didn't take over either Judaism or Christianity. All three are alive and well.

 

[there4eyeM]

As usual, the real point has been missed. It was not the fruit of the tree of knowledge itself; it was the knowledge of good and evil. It could be termed the poisoned fruit of duality.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Both Judaism and Christianity had their beginnings at the same time, at the foot of Mt. Sinai. The Jews (Pharisees) took over the religion from the Levites about 150 BCE. Christianity took over after the destruction of the temple in 70-73 A.D. However, Judaism was kept alive in the Diaspora and is the Jewish religion today. Christianity was brought to the other Israelite tribes by the apostles and is our religion today.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm.............no. Judaism predates Christianity by quite a few centuries. No. They are NOT one and the same, and Christianity didn't get it's start until Jesus came around and started His ministry. Matter of fact, it's because of the teachings of Christ that it's called Christianity (His name is in the term for the religion).

Christianity is actually an offshoot from Judaism, and Christians have different views on things than what Jewish people do, which is why they are 2 distinct religions.

Like I said...............might wanna do a bit more research before you spout off again and make yourself look even more ignorant than you already do.

 

[Woodznutz]

Ummmmmmmmmmmm.............no. Judaism predates Christianity by quite a few centuries. No. They are NOT one and the same, and Christianity didn't get it's start until Jesus came around and started His ministry. Matter of fact, it's because of the teachings of Christ that it's called Christianity (His name is in the term for the religion).

Christianity is actually an offshoot from Judaism, and Christians have different views on things than what Jewish people do, which is why they are 2 distinct religions.

Like I said...............might wanna do a bit more research before you spout off again and make yourself look even more ignorant than you already do.

You are making the time-honored mistake of believing that,

All Israelites were "Jews",
and particularly,
All Levites were "Jews".

The Bible is the best history to refer to, not Wikipedia.

The religion of the Israelites wasn't "Judaized" until the sect of the Jewish Pharisees wrested authoritarian control from the Levites, about 150 BCE. Judaism is basically giving 'oral tradition' equal or more weight than the written Law itself, thereby often corrupting the Law. In other words, the Pharisees could make up anything they wanted and pass it off as holy writ. Jesus condemned them for this.

It is noteworthy that the Jews are doing this to this day, bending the Law that they cherish into something beyond recognition.

 

[BreezeWood]

Islam didn't take over either Judaism or Christianity. All three are alive and well.

the desert trinity - all three worship the liar moses ... and are not well.

Then God said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

what jesus taught ... and was crucified for, by those that wrote the c-bible and burned jesus's manuscripts.


- provide the tablets claimed by the liar moses etched in the heavens w/ 10 commandments ... or remove what has for centuries been used to persecute and victimize the innocent - by the desert religions, their congregations of ineptitude.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Did everyone know that Adam was a black man! Excellent!



Just kidding

Now on to the subject at hand.

Why did the Bible refer to the forbidden fruit as coming from the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden?

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Why is the tree named the tree of knowledge and why does it bring forth death?

Most glaze over the story as being insignificant, or even made up, but words have meaning. Regardless of whether you believe the story actually happened, there is a message in the story all the same.

I believe the message is, knowledge without wisdom brings death. Specifically, seeking knowledge apart from the wisdom of God is what brings death.

Now whether you agree with my assessment, that this is at least one of the messages in the story, we have a myriad of examples proving that message is correct. Man has a long list of instances where knowledge brought about, or can potentially bring about, much death and misery, all because man had no wisdom to use it correctly.

One such example are genetically modified plants that are resistant to disease and insects. They usually are bigger and easier to grow. See how wonderful knowledge can be? But there is a small problem, they can't reproduce, and if cross pollinated with plants than do reproduce, they make them unable to reproduce. Hence, unleashing unproductive plants on nature could prevent all those plants from reproducing. Last I checked, plants were needed for survival. Scientists are so concerned about it, they have set aside seeds hoping they be available if the worst happens, that is, they can't grow food anymore.

Or maybe you have heard of the story of Oppenheimer, the man responsible for creating the first nuclear bomb.

Want more stories of knowledge that leads to mass death? How about a futuristic one, namely AI. Artificial Intelligence is just one more technology that is being developed today that has a tremendous potential for unthinkable harm to mankind. The movie "The Terminator" tapped into these fears. Essentially, man is developing an intelligence that is superior to his own. Problem is, that intelligence has no human empathy. Humans without human empathy are referred to as sociopaths. So, what will AI to when it is fed information that human beings are destroying the planet with carbon emissions, something humans hear every day from government and their state-controlled media? Will it seek to terminate humans to save the planet and themselves?

But let's assume AI can be controlled by humans from doing this. What is a despot like Hitler had it to use? Imagine if he had a surveillance state that could watch everything you do and say 24/7. Imagine a world where he used it to calculate every battle to see if he could win, and use it to sway public opinion as AI studies you and learns how to persuade you 24/7. Depots in history have been killing machines, but now their ability has been enhanced to continue to kill in mass by 100 fold or more. Once humanity goes to digital currency, the state will have complete power over you as it will decide if you should purchase what you want to purchase, or if you are even worthy to do so. China now has a social credit system where if they say or do bad things the state does not like, they may not be able to travel or go to the store to buy things, etc. Business today in the US has introduced a similar social credit system, as those who are not woke or environmentally friendly enough have bad scores, which means no one else will want to do business with them or get government perks, etc. Now government and the corporate world have become One, and all held together with AI. Last I checked that is what was used to be called Fascism.

Luckily despots from the past had weaknesses. For example, Hitler was a drug addict and insisted on being in control of military operations, something he was not even qualified to do. This made him more prone to failure. However, what iF AI did most of his tasks, if not all? What if you had a super intelligent bot doing it all for you 24/7? It would have probably let Hitler win the war and the world.

Could AI be the "beast" spoken about in Revelation? And could digital currency be the mark of the beast spoken about in Revelation as people were commanded to take the mark in their right hand or forehead or not be able to buy and sell?

As for many being careful in developing AI, so as to limit it possible harm, that is out of the question because there is an arms race on with it, so caution needs to be thrown to the wind, just like God's wisdom has been thrown to the wind.

It's NOT "the tree of knowledge."

It is the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil"

It REPRESENTS the CHOICE to actually listen to God, or rebel and decide for your self what is right and wrong.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You are making the time-honored mistake of believing that,

All Israelites were "Jews",
and particularly,
All Levites were "Jews".

The Bible is the best history to refer to, not Wikipedia.

The religion of the Israelites wasn't "Judaized" until the sect of the Jewish Pharisees wrested authoritarian control from the Levites, about 150 BCE. Judaism is basically giving 'oral tradition' equal or more weight than the written Law itself, thereby often corrupting the Law. In other words, the Pharisees could make up anything they wanted and pass it off as holy writ. Jesus condemned them for this.

It is noteworthy that the Jews are doing this to this day, bending the Law that they cherish into something beyond recognition.

The Bible is the best history to refer to? Are you freaking serious? First off................if you are using the KJV, you are using a HEAVILY edited book that was made to be favorable to the Christian religion.

Second..................even if you are using the Bible as your "source", you should know that the OT is pretty much a translated version (that was translated over 4 different languages). The first 5 books are basically the Torah (again, heavily edited), and the rest of the OT is basically a history of the Jewish people, with the exception of Psalms and Proverbs, which are books of songs and sayings or stories that have knowledge from a Rabbinical perspective.

As far as the Levites, you DO realize that they were the priestly class for the Jewish people, right?

Apparently, you know very little about Judaism or Christianity, because if you had even a little knowledge, you wouldn't have made such errors in your posting.

 

[BreezeWood]

It's NOT "the tree of knowledge."

It is the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil"

It REPRESENTS the CHOICE to actually listen to God, or rebel and decide for your self what is right and wrong.

they chose self determination over slavery and were given the blessings of the heavens to accomplish their goal.

- than a book of forgeries and fallacies written by crucifiers ... caa. the religious desert trinity.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Bible is the best history to refer to? Are you freaking serious? First off................if you are using the KJV, you are using a HEAVILY edited book that was made to be favorable to the Christian religion.

Second..................even if you are using the Bible as your "source", you should know that the OT is pretty much a translated version (that was translated over 4 different languages). The first 5 books are basically the Torah (again, heavily edited), and the rest of the OT is basically a history of the Jewish people, with the exception of Psalms and Proverbs, which are books of songs and sayings or stories that have knowledge from a Rabbinical perspective.

As far as the Levites, you DO realize that they were the priestly class for the Jewish people, right?

Apparently, you know very little about Judaism or Christianity, because if you had even a little knowledge, you wouldn't have made such errors in your posting.

A common mistake is to believe that all Israelites were Jewish. A grievous error fostered mainly by Jewish 'scholars' and gullibly believed by many Christians.

Regardless of editing and translating, the Bible is the only detailed history of the Israelite people that we have, of which the Jews were but one tribe.

You should actually read the Bible instead of relying on what others say about it or what they want you to believe it says.

The KJV is the best study bible as the text can be compared to the Hebrew and Greek language that it was translated from.

I hope this helps you.

 

[onefour1]

We don't really know if the fruit of the tree was made to bring about the fall of Adam and Eve or whether it was brought about simply by the command of God. God simply told them that if they partook that they would surely die. It doesn't tell us that tree was cursed or whether they simply became mortal by their disobedience.

But God knew in advance that Adam and Eve would partake of the fruit and for this reason a Savior was called and chosen before Adam and Eve ever set foot in the Garden of Eden. If God absolutely did not want the fall, then with his foreknowledge he should have seen Satan tempting Eve and saw Adam and Eve partake of the forbidden fruit. Thus God simply could have never placed Satan and his minions here on the earth and he certainly could have refrained from placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden. But he didn't. It was God's plan all along to have a weak mankind fall and experience good and evil and become more like God. God even provided a Savior before the foundation of the world so as to allow mankind to find forgiveness of sin and be able to repent of their evil ways.

 

[Woodznutz]

We don't really know if the fruit of the tree was made to bring about the fall of Adam and Eve or whether it was brought about simply by the command of God. God simply told them that if they partook that they would surely die. It doesn't tell us that tree was cursed or whether they simply became mortal by their disobedience.

But God knew in advance that Adam and Eve would partake of the fruit and for this reason a Savior was called and chosen before Adam and Eve ever set foot in the Garden of Eden. If God absolutely did not want the fall, then with his foreknowledge he should have seen Satan tempting Eve and saw Adam and Eve partake of the forbidden fruit. Thus God simply could have never placed Satan and his minions here on the earth and he certainly could have refrained from placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden. But he didn't. It was God's plan all along to have a weak mankind fall and experience good and evil and become more like God. God even provided a Savior before the foundation of the world so as to allow mankind to find forgiveness of sin and be able to repent of their evil ways.

Exactly. The fact that an animal was sacrificed (probably a lamb without blemish) to cover the sin of Adam and Eve means that "Christianity" preceded Judaism by about 4000 years.

 

[BreezeWood]

We don't really know if the fruit of the tree was made to bring about the fall of Adam and Eve or whether it was brought about simply by the command of God. God simply told them that if they partook that they would surely die. It doesn't tell us that tree was cursed or whether they simply became mortal by their disobedience.

But God knew in advance that Adam and Eve would partake of the fruit and for this reason a Savior was called and chosen before Adam and Eve ever set foot in the Garden of Eden. If God absolutely did not want the fall, then with his foreknowledge he should have seen Satan tempting Eve and saw Adam and Eve partake of the forbidden fruit. Thus God simply could have never placed Satan and his minions here on the earth and he certainly could have refrained from placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden. But he didn't. It was God's plan all along to have a weak mankind fall and experience good and evil and become more like God. God even provided a Savior before the foundation of the world so as to allow mankind to find forgiveness of sin and be able to repent of their evil ways.

you are simply mimicking the claims of the liar moses that humanity deceived the heavens than the truth, a&e choose self determination than slavery - and would never worship a savior the heavens would never contemplate and certainly not they would be murdered to save anything -

moses is no doubt among the very worst of the totalitarian criminals ever to exist and will be punished till their crimes and those of the crucifiers are brought to justice.

 

[ABikerSailor]

A common mistake is to believe that all Israelites were Jewish. A grievous error fostered mainly by Jewish 'scholars' and gullibly believed by many Christians.

Regardless of editing and translating, the Bible is the only detailed history of the Israelite people that we have, of which the Jews were but one tribe.

You should actually read the Bible instead of relying on what others say about it or what they want you to believe it says.

The KJV is the best study bible as the text can be compared to the Hebrew and Greek language that it was translated from.

I hope this helps you.

Exactly. The fact that an animal was sacrificed (probably a lamb without blemish) to cover the sin of Adam and Eve means that "Christianity" preceded Judaism by about 4000 years.

What "church" are you attending that teaches you all this wrong crap?

 

[onefour1]

Exactly. The fact that an animal was sacrificed (probably a lamb without blemish) to cover the sin of Adam and Eve means that "Christianity" preceded Judaism by about 4000 years.

Yes, it is clear that in the Bible Jesus was chosen to be the Savior before the foundation of the world. Thus Christianity was the true faith of the Hebrews.

1 Peter 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Revelation 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

A clearer account of the purpose of animal sacrifice can be found in the Book of Moses:

Moses 5

Because of the wickedness of the House of Israel, the higher law and priesthood was taken from them and the lesser law (the law of Moses) was given to Israel. Jesus later came and fulfilled the law to be the higher law again.

Doctrine and Covenants 84:23-27
23 Now this Moses plainly taught to the children of Israel in the wilderness, and sought diligently to sanctify his people that they might behold the face of God;
24 But they hardened their hearts and could not endure his presence; therefore, the Lord in his wrath, for his anger was kindled against them, swore that they should not enter into his rest while in the wilderness, which rest is the fulness of his glory.
25 Therefore, he took Moses out of their midst, and the Holy Priesthood also;
26 And the lesser priesthood continued, which priesthood holdeth the key of the ministering of angels and the preparatory gospel;
27 Which gospel is the gospel of repentance and of baptism, and the remission of sins, and the law of carnal commandments, which the Lord in his wrath caused to continue with the house of Aaron among the children of Israel until John, whom God raised up, being filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother’s womb.

From the Beginning Christ was taught and over time, because of the wickedness of men, the law of Moses was instituted and later when Christ came, he fulfilled the law of Moses to again be the full law and priesthood. The Jewish law is the law of Moses.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yes, it is clear that in the Bible Jesus was chosen to be the Savior before the foundation of the world. Thus Christianity was the true faith of the Hebrews.

1 Peter 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Revelation 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

A clearer account of the purpose of animal sacrifice can be found in the Book of Moses:

Moses 5

Because of the wickedness of the House of Israel, the higher law and priesthood was taken from them and the lesser law (the law of Moses) was given to Israel. Jesus later came and fulfilled the law to be the higher law again.

Doctrine and Covenants 84:23-27
23 Now this Moses plainly taught to the children of Israel in the wilderness, and sought diligently to sanctify his people that they might behold the face of God;
24 But they hardened their hearts and could not endure his presence; therefore, the Lord in his wrath, for his anger was kindled against them, swore that they should not enter into his rest while in the wilderness, which rest is the fulness of his glory.
25 Therefore, he took Moses out of their midst, and the Holy Priesthood also;
26 And the lesser priesthood continued, which priesthood holdeth the key of the ministering of angels and the preparatory gospel;
27 Which gospel is the gospel of repentance and of baptism, and the remission of sins, and the law of carnal commandments, which the Lord in his wrath caused to continue with the house of Aaron among the children of Israel until John, whom God raised up, being filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother’s womb.

From the Beginning Christ was taught and over time, because of the wickedness of men, the law of Moses was instituted and later when Christ came, he fulfilled the law of Moses to again be the full law and priesthood. The Jewish law is the law of Moses.

Wow........................you're almost as nuts as WoodzNutz.

 

[Woodznutz]

What "church" are you attending that teaches you all this wrong crap?

The Bible teaches this 'crap', read it for yourself.

 

[onefour1]

you are simply mimicking the claims of the liar moses that humanity deceived the heavens than the truth, a&e choose self determination than slavery - and would never worship a savior the heavens would never contemplate and certainly not they would be murdered to save anything -

moses is no doubt among the very worst of the totalitarian criminals ever to exist and will be punished till their crimes and those of the crucifiers are brought to justice.

Slavery? God gave Adam and Eve free will from the beginning and yes, they CHOSE to partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God counseled them that if they did eat they would die. But they used their free will and chose to partake anyway. Where is the slavery in that? God, to this very day allows all mankind to choose in and of themselves to worship him or not. He doesn't force anyone to follow after him. This is why when the judgment comes, we will all go to the place were we list to obey the laws of that particular kingdom. Only those who are willing to abide by the laws of God's kingdom will be allowed in. The laws of the kingdom of God must be obeyed for one to reside there. Those who choose otherwise will find themselves in a lower kingdom.

Moses sought to bring the children of Israel into the very presence of God but they would not. When he came down from Mount Sinai he held in his hands the greater law. But when he saw that they made an idol to worship, he tossed the plates and broke them to pieces. Only after returning to speak to the Lord, was Moses given a lesser law to give to a hard hearted and sinful generation. Moses did all he could to bring the children of Israel unto God but they would have none of it. For this they received the lesser law and priesthood until John. Moses was a faithful servant of the Lord and this is why it was he, along with Elijah, who appeared to the Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration. Moses led the children of Israel out of bondage under the hands of the Egyptians and brought them back into the land of promise.