Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[MarkDuffy]

Evidently not

Supposedly the guy used an AR type weapon with a large capacity magazine and a bump stock
The bump stock allows firing in the 400-700rpm range

Perfectly legal....the question is...Why?

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

But very effective as we have seen.

and?

a person can without any external device shoot a semiauto at a rate of 400 - 500 rounds a minute if accuracy isn't a concern

the bump stock speeds that up a little bit

Not according to google.

I hear 3/sec max and only for short bursts.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

So what you're saying then is that you Know for a fact that gun regulations are not enforced but you have no ability to show how that is?

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

You should read your links instead of going for sensational headlines.


"State prosecutors said they're not surprised by the rate, but said there is more to it than those raw numbers. They said that cases usually have multiple charges, and that in Superior Court where felony trials occur, they get some sort of conviction in 87 percent of cases involving a firearm.

Most of the time, 62 percent, the convictions are for gun offenses."

And yet over 70% of gun charges are dropped.

That doesn't sound like enforcement to me.

if 70% of DUI cases were dropped would you say that was enforcing the laws?

And yet over 70% of gun charges are dropped.

That's right, play dumb. You didn't even care to read or understand your own link.

The conviction rate only applies to charges that were not dropped before trial you idiot.

So the 60% conviction rate is on the 30% of gun charges that were not dropped before trial

That's not what it says, dope.

 

[Skull Pilot]

There are no stats I am aware of that cover plea deals and I am not going to look into every trial in the country to compile them

So what you're saying then is that you Know for a fact that gun regulations are not enforced but you have no ability to show how that is?

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

You should read your links instead of going for sensational headlines.


"State prosecutors said they're not surprised by the rate, but said there is more to it than those raw numbers. They said that cases usually have multiple charges, and that in Superior Court where felony trials occur, they get some sort of conviction in 87 percent of cases involving a firearm.

Most of the time, 62 percent, the convictions are for gun offenses."

here's another one for you

Dropped gun charges spark call for legislation

An Indianapolis Star review (http://indy.st/Zs0UJg ) of every Marion County gun charge from 2009 to June of this year found that prosecutors dismissed 3,059 gun charges, half of which were felony counts. Possession of a firearm by a serious violent felon was dismissed in 41 percent of cases

You haven't resolved your last link.

I did you just haven't read the post yet

 

[MarkDuffy]

AR-15 Lovers Are Getting Fully Automatic Thrills with Barely Legal Gadgets
Bump fire devices let black rifles fire hundreds of rounds per minute. They've become hot accessories for the growing tactical weapons set.

These Barely Legal Bump Fire Gadgets Can Make an AR-15 Fire Hundreds of Rounds Per Minute

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?


oops, there doesn't seem to be one

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?

Yes the difference is NRA gun lobby approval

 

[hunarcy]

So...who is to blame for the tragedy?

Of course a crazed gunman is to blame

But the blame also goes to our gutless Congress. A Congress that tragedy after tragedy has held meaningless "moments of silence" for the victims and then does nothing about it. A Congress that has had bills in front of it for decades to ban assault rifles, high capacity magazines and devices to increase the firing rate of semiautomatic rifles.

But no, our Congress dutifully complies to the NRAs demands. No restrictions on high capacity weapons, no background checks, no measures to keep guns out of the hands of crazies

A Congress that recognizes that innocent people should not be punished or restricted when someone else commits a disgusting and reprehensible crime.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

But very effective as we have seen.

and?

a person can without any external device shoot a semiauto at a rate of 400 - 500 rounds a minute if accuracy isn't a concern

the bump stock speeds that up a little bit

Not according to google.

I hear 3/sec max and only for short bursts.

Quora.

OK I guess it doesn't matter that I know for a fact I can empty 30 round magazine of .223 ammo in 4 seconds or so right?

so assuming a large enough magazine that's 450 per minute

 

[hunarcy]

AR-15 Lovers Are Getting Fully Automatic Thrills with Barely Legal Gadgets
Bump fire devices let black rifles fire hundreds of rounds per minute. They've become hot accessories for the growing tactical weapons set.

These Barely Legal Bump Fire Gadgets Can Make an AR-15 Fire Hundreds of Rounds Per Minute

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?


oops, there doesn't seem to be one

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?

Yes the difference is NRA gun lobby approval

No, there is no difference. Both are legal.

 

[Skull Pilot]

AR-15 Lovers Are Getting Fully Automatic Thrills with Barely Legal Gadgets
Bump fire devices let black rifles fire hundreds of rounds per minute. They've become hot accessories for the growing tactical weapons set.

These Barely Legal Bump Fire Gadgets Can Make an AR-15 Fire Hundreds of Rounds Per Minute

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?


oops, there doesn't seem to be one

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?

Yes the difference is NRA gun lobby approval

Yup I do

17 years 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes 59 seconds is ILLEGAL
18 years and one second old is barely legal

 

[MarkDuffy]

AR-15 Lovers Are Getting Fully Automatic Thrills with Barely Legal Gadgets
Bump fire devices let black rifles fire hundreds of rounds per minute. They've become hot accessories for the growing tactical weapons set.

These Barely Legal Bump Fire Gadgets Can Make an AR-15 Fire Hundreds of Rounds Per Minute

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?


oops, there doesn't seem to be one

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?

Yes the difference is NRA gun lobby approval

No, there is no difference. Both are legal.

And that is the problem.

There is absolutely no reason WMD should be legal.

Rate of fire AND magazine size.

 

[MarkDuffy]

Legal machine guns are definitely NOT a solution.

How long does it take to remove 500 bullets from a deer?

 

[hunarcy]

AR-15 Lovers Are Getting Fully Automatic Thrills with Barely Legal Gadgets
Bump fire devices let black rifles fire hundreds of rounds per minute. They've become hot accessories for the growing tactical weapons set.

These Barely Legal Bump Fire Gadgets Can Make an AR-15 Fire Hundreds of Rounds Per Minute

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?


oops, there doesn't seem to be one

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?

Yes the difference is NRA gun lobby approval

No, there is no difference. Both are legal.

And that is the problem.

There is absolutely no reason WMD should be legal.

Rate of fire AND magazine size.

That is your opinion and you are welcome to have it. However, you are not welcome to inflict your opinion on to me.

 

[MarkDuffy]

I totally understand the thrill of blasting the crap outta targets, but Jesus

 

[Hutch Starskey]

All the talk of rates of fire, accuracy and technical differentiation are irrelevant.

Paddock did what he did with what he had. He did it very effectively and efficiently.

 

[MarkDuffy]

All the talk of rates of fire, accuracy and technical differentiation are irrelevant.

Paddock did what he did with what he had. He did it very effectively and efficiently.

and the gunnuts want him to have even MORE firepower

 

[Auld Phart]

All the talk of rates of fire, accuracy and technical differentiation are irrelevant.

Paddock did what he did with what he had. He did it very effectively and efficiently.

and the gunnuts want him to have even MORE firepower

no

the 'gun nuts' want to take away the rights of others, some who only shoot at paper targets, to prevent this from happening again.

 

[Skull Pilot]

All the talk of rates of fire, accuracy and technical differentiation are irrelevant.

Paddock did what he did with what he had. He did it very effectively and efficiently.

and the gunnuts want him to have even MORE firepower

That would mean fully auto weapons and I have not ever heard anyone say that

But a semiauto is a commonplace rifle and has been around for over 100 years.

There is no reason to regulate them more than they already are

 

[hunarcy]

All the talk of rates of fire, accuracy and technical differentiation are irrelevant.

Paddock did what he did with what he had. He did it very effectively and efficiently.

and the gunnuts want him to have even MORE firepower

The "gun nut" is the one that blames the weapon for the misdeed of the human. If I use a hammer to break a window, was it the hammer's fault?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

All the talk of rates of fire, accuracy and technical differentiation are irrelevant.

Paddock did what he did with what he had. He did it very effectively and efficiently.

and the gunnuts want him to have even MORE firepower

no

the 'gun nuts' want to take away the rights of others, some who only shoot at paper targets, to prevent this from happening again.

Paper targets and bump stocks?

 

[Skull Pilot]

All the talk of rates of fire, accuracy and technical differentiation are irrelevant.

Paddock did what he did with what he had. He did it very effectively and efficiently.

and the gunnuts want him to have even MORE firepower

no

the 'gun nuts' want to take away the rights of others, some who only shoot at paper targets, to prevent this from happening again.

Paper targets and bump stocks?

How common are bump stocks?

I have been shooting since I was 8 and have never seen one used anywhere.

 

[Auld Phart]

All the talk of rates of fire, accuracy and technical differentiation are irrelevant.

Paddock did what he did with what he had. He did it very effectively and efficiently.

and the gunnuts want him to have even MORE firepower

no

the 'gun nuts' want to take away the rights of others, some who only shoot at paper targets, to prevent this from happening again.

Paper targets and bump stocks?

yes

you find that....odd?