Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[Auld Phart]

there are more 'regulations' on firearms than any other piece of merchandise.

What is needed, is for those regulations to be enforced

Yes and has anyone mentioned that those shots were from a fully automatic weapon? I thought there were regulations prohibiting those except for law enforcement and the military.

if you have the money, and get thru the red tape, you too can own one.

That's kinda my point....What good does regulation do? Seems the only person with a fully auto weapon was the perp.

i'm sure we'll find out in a day or so how he acquired it.

Considering his background, I'm not betting on legally

Bump stocks are legal.

I know bump stocks are.

at the time, I was referring to fully automatic weapons

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Fortunately, Hillary is getting her behind slammed for her stupid premature comments on gun control.

The witch can't get ANYTHING right.

Luvin it!

Automatic weapons are bad

We found that out last night

And are already highly restricted

Evidently not

Supposedly the guy used an AR type weapon with a large capacity magazine and a bump stock
The bump stock allows firing in the 400-700rpm range

Perfectly legal....the question is...Why?

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Fortunately, Hillary is getting her behind slammed for her stupid premature comments on gun control.

The witch can't get ANYTHING right.

Luvin it!

Automatic weapons are bad

We found that out last night

And are already highly restricted

Evidently not

Supposedly the guy used an AR type weapon with a large capacity magazine and a bump stock
The bump stock allows firing in the 400-700rpm range

Perfectly legal....the question is...Why?

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Automatic weapons are bad

We found that out last night

And are already highly restricted

Evidently not

Supposedly the guy used an AR type weapon with a large capacity magazine and a bump stock
The bump stock allows firing in the 400-700rpm range

Perfectly legal....the question is...Why?

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

Evidently not

View attachment 152513

I can buy it on the internet right now

That is an external device not a modification to the firing mechanism

Which of course is meaningless.

 

[MarkDuffy]

Vegas Shooter Had 'Bump Stocks' To Convert Rifles to Full-Auto

Jesus

 

[Faun]

Mourning folks!

Any new news?

Mornin’, Duff. Don’t know that this is news, but thegatewaypundit got caught again pumping out fake news...

That story came from fake news outlet, thegatewaypundit, who has since deleted the page and made no retraction.

Here’s what their fake news looks like now... deleted...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...maddow-moveon-org-associated-anti-trump-army/

Here’s what their fake news looked like before they deleted it...

Las Vegas Shooter Reportedly a Democrat Who Liked Rachel Maddow, MoveOn.org and Associated with Anti-Trump Army

And why does this matter, one might inquire...?

Because trump gave fakegatewaypundit a press pass to the White House. He doesn’t care that they pump out fake news regularly... all he cares about is that they say nice things about him; while trashing his political opponents with fake news.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And are already highly restricted

Evidently not

Supposedly the guy used an AR type weapon with a large capacity magazine and a bump stock
The bump stock allows firing in the 400-700rpm range

Perfectly legal....the question is...Why?

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

Evidently not

View attachment 152513

I can buy it on the internet right now

That is an external device not a modification to the firing mechanism

Which of course is meaningless.

No not meaningless it is accurate.

Words mean things. If you do not rise to to meet the legal definition of illegality in any other area of the law, should it be considered meaningless and result in you being guilty of something anyway?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Vegas Shooter Had 'Bump Stocks' To Convert Rifles to Full-Auto

Jesus

Bump stocks do not convert a rifle to full auto.
Bump stocks allow one to increase the rate of semiautomatic fire.

There is a difference

 

[Faun]

there are more 'regulations' on firearms than any other piece of merchandise.

What is needed, is for those regulations to be enforced

Yes and has anyone mentioned that those shots were from a fully automatic weapon? I thought there were regulations prohibiting those except for law enforcement and the military.

Modified with a bump stock

There's nothing that states officially that he used a bump-fire stock.

Now where are you getting your news from...?

Gunman had 'bump-stock' device that could speed fire

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Fortunately, Hillary is getting her behind slammed for her stupid premature comments on gun control.

The witch can't get ANYTHING right.

Luvin it!

Automatic weapons are bad

We found that out last night

And are already highly restricted

Yet very simple and cheap to do. The bump stock makes a very efficient killing tool.

and a bump stock does not meet the definition of modification of the firing mechanism to full auto

Who ever said the shooters weapons were full auto and not bump stock mods?

 

[Auld Phart]

there are more 'regulations' on firearms than any other piece of merchandise.

What is needed, is for those regulations to be enforced

How is that done?

How do you think?

Or are more regulations that won't be enforced the answer?

The answer is to remove people who commit crimes with guns from society for a long time.

Possession of an illegal gun: 20 years no parole
Commit any crime while in possession of any firearm : 25 years no parole
Shoot anyone during the commission of a crime: 30 years no parole
Kill anyone other than in self defense : Life no parole

What regulations are not enforced?

Every time a gun charge gets pleaded down or dropped from a list of charges that gun law is not being enforced

Do you have stats for that?

stats?

I doubt you can find stats on something like that.

However, you might want to look at the Dontray Mills case.

Dontray Mills

27 offenses plea bargained down to one.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Fortunately, Hillary is getting her behind slammed for her stupid premature comments on gun control.

The witch can't get ANYTHING right.

Luvin it!

Automatic weapons are bad

We found that out last night

And are already highly restricted

Yet very simple and cheap to do. The bump stock makes a very efficient killing tool.

and a bump stock does not meet the definition of modification of the firing mechanism to full auto

Who ever said the shooters weapons were full auto and not bump stock mods?

That was the assumption before the info on the bump stocks was printed

 

[Hutch Starskey]

How is that done?

How do you think?

Or are more regulations that won't be enforced the answer?

The answer is to remove people who commit crimes with guns from society for a long time.

Possession of an illegal gun: 20 years no parole
Commit any crime while in possession of any firearm : 25 years no parole
Shoot anyone during the commission of a crime: 30 years no parole
Kill anyone other than in self defense : Life no parole

What regulations are not enforced?

Every time a gun charge gets pleaded down or dropped from a list of charges that gun law is not being enforced

Do you have stats for that?

There are no stats I am aware of that cover plea deals and I am not going to look into every trial in the country to compile them

So what you're saying then is that you Know for a fact that gun regulations are not enforced but you have no ability to show how that is?

 

[MarkDuffy]

Vegas Shooter Had 'Bump Stocks' To Convert Rifles to Full-Auto

Jesus

Bump stocks do not convert a rifle to full auto.
Bump stocks allow one to increase the rate of semiautomatic fire.

There is a difference

Faster fire with much less precision trade off.

They should be illegal

They are nothing but WMD

 

[Skull Pilot]

How do you think?

Or are more regulations that won't be enforced the answer?

The answer is to remove people who commit crimes with guns from society for a long time.

Possession of an illegal gun: 20 years no parole
Commit any crime while in possession of any firearm : 25 years no parole
Shoot anyone during the commission of a crime: 30 years no parole
Kill anyone other than in self defense : Life no parole

What regulations are not enforced?

Every time a gun charge gets pleaded down or dropped from a list of charges that gun law is not being enforced

Do you have stats for that?

There are no stats I am aware of that cover plea deals and I am not going to look into every trial in the country to compile them

So what you're saying then is that you Know for a fact that gun regulations are not enforced but you have no ability to show how that is?

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Automatic weapons are bad

We found that out last night

And are already highly restricted

Evidently not

Supposedly the guy used an AR type weapon with a large capacity magazine and a bump stock
The bump stock allows firing in the 400-700rpm range

Perfectly legal....the question is...Why?

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

But very effective as we have seen.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Automatic weapons are bad

We found that out last night

And are already highly restricted

Yet very simple and cheap to do. The bump stock makes a very efficient killing tool.

and a bump stock does not meet the definition of modification of the firing mechanism to full auto

Who ever said the shooters weapons were full auto and not bump stock mods?

That was the assumption before the info on the bump stocks was printed

That was your assumption this morning, after that info was available.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And are already highly restricted

Evidently not

Supposedly the guy used an AR type weapon with a large capacity magazine and a bump stock
The bump stock allows firing in the 400-700rpm range

Perfectly legal....the question is...Why?

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

But very effective as we have seen.

and?

a person can without any external device shoot a semiauto at a rate of 400 - 500 rounds a minute if accuracy isn't a concern

the bump stock speeds that up a little bit

 

[Skull Pilot]

And are already highly restricted

Yet very simple and cheap to do. The bump stock makes a very efficient killing tool.

and a bump stock does not meet the definition of modification of the firing mechanism to full auto

Who ever said the shooters weapons were full auto and not bump stock mods?

That was the assumption before the info on the bump stocks was printed

That was your assumption this morning, after that info was available.

not after someone linked to the news story it wasn't.

I specifically remember thanking Rightwinger for the link

 

[Hutch Starskey]

What regulations are not enforced?

Every time a gun charge gets pleaded down or dropped from a list of charges that gun law is not being enforced

Do you have stats for that?

There are no stats I am aware of that cover plea deals and I am not going to look into every trial in the country to compile them

So what you're saying then is that you Know for a fact that gun regulations are not enforced but you have no ability to show how that is?

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

You should read your links instead of going for sensational headlines.


"State prosecutors said they're not surprised by the rate, but said there is more to it than those raw numbers. They said that cases usually have multiple charges, and that in Superior Court where felony trials occur, they get some sort of conviction in 87 percent of cases involving a firearm.

Most of the time, 62 percent, the convictions are for gun offenses."