Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[Auld Phart]

And are already highly restricted

Evidently not

Supposedly the guy used an AR type weapon with a large capacity magazine and a bump stock
The bump stock allows firing in the 400-700rpm range

Perfectly legal....the question is...Why?

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

But very effective as we have seen.

effective?

only when shooting into a crowd.

picking off individual targets?

no

 

[MarkDuffy]

AR-15 Lovers Are Getting Fully Automatic Thrills with Barely Legal Gadgets
Bump fire devices let black rifles fire hundreds of rounds per minute. They've become hot accessories for the growing tactical weapons set.

These Barely Legal Bump Fire Gadgets Can Make an AR-15 Fire Hundreds of Rounds Per Minute

 

[Skull Pilot]

Every time a gun charge gets pleaded down or dropped from a list of charges that gun law is not being enforced

Do you have stats for that?

There are no stats I am aware of that cover plea deals and I am not going to look into every trial in the country to compile them

So what you're saying then is that you Know for a fact that gun regulations are not enforced but you have no ability to show how that is?

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

You should read your links instead of going for sensational headlines.


"State prosecutors said they're not surprised by the rate, but said there is more to it than those raw numbers. They said that cases usually have multiple charges, and that in Superior Court where felony trials occur, they get some sort of conviction in 87 percent of cases involving a firearm.

Most of the time, 62 percent, the convictions are for gun offenses."

And yet over 70% of gun charges are dropped.

That doesn't sound like enforcement to me.

if 70% of DUI cases were dropped would you say that was enforcing the laws?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Evidently not

Supposedly the guy used an AR type weapon with a large capacity magazine and a bump stock
The bump stock allows firing in the 400-700rpm range

Perfectly legal....the question is...Why?

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

But very effective as we have seen.

and?

a person can without any external device shoot a semiauto at a rate of 400 - 500 rounds a minute if accuracy isn't a concern

the bump stock speeds that up a little bit

Your stats on the bumpstock are meaningless
It is what we saw. A very fast rate of fire and a very efficient way for one man to kill and injure many, many people.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

But very effective as we have seen.

and?

a person can without any external device shoot a semiauto at a rate of 400 - 500 rounds a minute if accuracy isn't a concern

the bump stock speeds that up a little bit

Your stats on the bumpstock are meaningless
It is what we saw. A very fast rate of fire and a very efficient way for one man to kill and injure many, many people.

and it does not meet the legal definition of a full auto modification

that was all I ever said

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Yet very simple and cheap to do. The bump stock makes a very efficient killing tool.

and a bump stock does not meet the definition of modification of the firing mechanism to full auto

Who ever said the shooters weapons were full auto and not bump stock mods?

That was the assumption before the info on the bump stocks was printed

That was your assumption this morning, after that info was available.

not after someone linked to the news story it wasn't.

I specifically remember thanking Rightwinger for the link

You're still arguing about the bump stock.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

But very effective as we have seen.

and?

a person can without any external device shoot a semiauto at a rate of 400 - 500 rounds a minute if accuracy isn't a concern

the bump stock speeds that up a little bit

Your stats on the bumpstock are meaningless
It is what we saw. A very fast rate of fire and a very efficient way for one man to kill and injure many, many people.

and it does not meet the legal definition of a full auto modification

that was all I ever said

Which is irrelevant.

 

[Skull Pilot]

and a bump stock does not meet the definition of modification of the firing mechanism to full auto

Who ever said the shooters weapons were full auto and not bump stock mods?

That was the assumption before the info on the bump stocks was printed

That was your assumption this morning, after that info was available.

not after someone linked to the news story it wasn't.

I specifically remember thanking Rightwinger for the link

You're still arguing about the bump stock.

I am not arguing that it wasn't used am I ?

I am merely stating that by DEFINITION a bump stock does not rise to the level of breaking the law as it pertains to modifications of semiauto to full auto

 

[Marion Morrison]

there are more 'regulations' on firearms than any other piece of merchandise.

What is needed, is for those regulations to be enforced

Yes and has anyone mentioned that those shots were from a fully automatic weapon? I thought there were regulations prohibiting those except for law enforcement and the military.

Modified with a bump stock

There's nothing that states officially that he used a bump-fire stock.

Now where are you getting your news from...?

Gunman had 'bump-stock' device that could speed fire

Phake Noos! If you read down, you will see:

"They are investigating whether those stocks were used to modify weapons used in the massacre,"

He could have been using a .30 cal for all anybody knows at this point.

I tell you what, there'll be spent bullets, and shell casings to get prints off of. Also gun innards.

 

[Skull Pilot]

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

But very effective as we have seen.

and?

a person can without any external device shoot a semiauto at a rate of 400 - 500 rounds a minute if accuracy isn't a concern

the bump stock speeds that up a little bit

Your stats on the bumpstock are meaningless
It is what we saw. A very fast rate of fire and a very efficient way for one man to kill and injure many, many people.

and it does not meet the legal definition of a full auto modification

that was all I ever said

Which is irrelevant.

ONly to you.

I personally think words and definitions are important

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Evidently not

Supposedly the guy used an AR type weapon with a large capacity magazine and a bump stock
The bump stock allows firing in the 400-700rpm range

Perfectly legal....the question is...Why?

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

But very effective as we have seen.

effective?

only when shooting into a crowd.

picking off individual targets?

no

Probably why the shooter had scoped rifles on tripods.

The shooters carnage is not impressive enough for you?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

But very effective as we have seen.

and?

a person can without any external device shoot a semiauto at a rate of 400 - 500 rounds a minute if accuracy isn't a concern

the bump stock speeds that up a little bit

Your stats on the bumpstock are meaningless
It is what we saw. A very fast rate of fire and a very efficient way for one man to kill and injure many, many people.

and it does not meet the legal definition of a full auto modification

that was all I ever said

Which is irrelevant.

ONly to you.

I personally think words and definitions are important

Especially when attempting to minimize the actions of this gun nut.

 

[Auld Phart]

AR-15 Lovers Are Getting Fully Automatic Thrills with Barely Legal Gadgets
Bump fire devices let black rifles fire hundreds of rounds per minute. They've become hot accessories for the growing tactical weapons set.

These Barely Legal Bump Fire Gadgets Can Make an AR-15 Fire Hundreds of Rounds Per Minute

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?


oops, there doesn't seem to be one

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Do you have stats for that?

There are no stats I am aware of that cover plea deals and I am not going to look into every trial in the country to compile them

So what you're saying then is that you Know for a fact that gun regulations are not enforced but you have no ability to show how that is?

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

You should read your links instead of going for sensational headlines.


"State prosecutors said they're not surprised by the rate, but said there is more to it than those raw numbers. They said that cases usually have multiple charges, and that in Superior Court where felony trials occur, they get some sort of conviction in 87 percent of cases involving a firearm.

Most of the time, 62 percent, the convictions are for gun offenses."

And yet over 70% of gun charges are dropped.

That doesn't sound like enforcement to me.

if 70% of DUI cases were dropped would you say that was enforcing the laws?

And yet over 70% of gun charges are dropped.

That's right, play dumb. You didn't even care to read or understand your own link.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Every time a gun charge gets pleaded down or dropped from a list of charges that gun law is not being enforced

Do you have stats for that?

There are no stats I am aware of that cover plea deals and I am not going to look into every trial in the country to compile them

So what you're saying then is that you Know for a fact that gun regulations are not enforced but you have no ability to show how that is?

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

You should read your links instead of going for sensational headlines.


"State prosecutors said they're not surprised by the rate, but said there is more to it than those raw numbers. They said that cases usually have multiple charges, and that in Superior Court where felony trials occur, they get some sort of conviction in 87 percent of cases involving a firearm.

Most of the time, 62 percent, the convictions are for gun offenses."

here's another one for you

Dropped gun charges spark call for legislation

An Indianapolis Star review (http://indy.st/Zs0UJg ) of every Marion County gun charge from 2009 to June of this year found that prosecutors dismissed 3,059 gun charges, half of which were felony counts. Possession of a firearm by a serious violent felon was dismissed in 41 percent of cases

 

[Auld Phart]

Supposedly?

Let me know when you know the facts.

The FACT is fully auto weapons are highly restricted
The FACT is modifying a semiauto for full auto is already illegal

The FACT is a legal mod is just as effective.

not really. It's still a slower rate of fire than a true automatic

But very effective as we have seen.

effective?

only when shooting into a crowd.

picking off individual targets?

no

Probably why the shooter had scoped rifles on tripods.

The shooters carnage is not impressive enough for you?

impressive?

no

Depressive, yes.

 

[Skull Pilot]

and?

a person can without any external device shoot a semiauto at a rate of 400 - 500 rounds a minute if accuracy isn't a concern

the bump stock speeds that up a little bit

Your stats on the bumpstock are meaningless
It is what we saw. A very fast rate of fire and a very efficient way for one man to kill and injure many, many people.

and it does not meet the legal definition of a full auto modification

that was all I ever said

Which is irrelevant.

ONly to you.

I personally think words and definitions are important

Especially when attempting to minimize the actions of this gun nut.

I have never uttered a single word doing that

 

[Hutch Starskey]

AR-15 Lovers Are Getting Fully Automatic Thrills with Barely Legal Gadgets
Bump fire devices let black rifles fire hundreds of rounds per minute. They've become hot accessories for the growing tactical weapons set.

These Barely Legal Bump Fire Gadgets Can Make an AR-15 Fire Hundreds of Rounds Per Minute

Know what the difference between legal, and barely legal is?


oops, there doesn't seem to be one

oops, there doesn't seem to be one

It certainly doesn't matter at all given the carnage.

 

[Skull Pilot]

There are no stats I am aware of that cover plea deals and I am not going to look into every trial in the country to compile them

So what you're saying then is that you Know for a fact that gun regulations are not enforced but you have no ability to show how that is?

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

You should read your links instead of going for sensational headlines.


"State prosecutors said they're not surprised by the rate, but said there is more to it than those raw numbers. They said that cases usually have multiple charges, and that in Superior Court where felony trials occur, they get some sort of conviction in 87 percent of cases involving a firearm.

Most of the time, 62 percent, the convictions are for gun offenses."

And yet over 70% of gun charges are dropped.

That doesn't sound like enforcement to me.

if 70% of DUI cases were dropped would you say that was enforcing the laws?

And yet over 70% of gun charges are dropped.

That's right, play dumb. You didn't even care to read or understand your own link.

The conviction rate only applies to charges that were not dropped before trial you idiot.

So the 60% conviction rate is on the 30% of gun charges that were not dropped before trial

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Do you have stats for that?

There are no stats I am aware of that cover plea deals and I am not going to look into every trial in the country to compile them

So what you're saying then is that you Know for a fact that gun regulations are not enforced but you have no ability to show how that is?

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

You should read your links instead of going for sensational headlines.


"State prosecutors said they're not surprised by the rate, but said there is more to it than those raw numbers. They said that cases usually have multiple charges, and that in Superior Court where felony trials occur, they get some sort of conviction in 87 percent of cases involving a firearm.

Most of the time, 62 percent, the convictions are for gun offenses."

here's another one for you

Dropped gun charges spark call for legislation

An Indianapolis Star review (http://indy.st/Zs0UJg ) of every Marion County gun charge from 2009 to June of this year found that prosecutors dismissed 3,059 gun charges, half of which were felony counts. Possession of a firearm by a serious violent felon was dismissed in 41 percent of cases

You haven't resolved your last link.