Latest multiple shooting in Chicago….gang violence…shows another point about guns…..

[TNHarley]

losing what? lol
Not every instance of violence ends with gun murder. Not even CLOSE
We have like 300K rape cases each year.

And the vast majority of rapes aren't defendable with a gun.

Link?

Here are and stats:
Rape Statistics | Statistic Brain

Most victims are raped by a friend or intimate.

Another large percent of victims are minors who can't have a gun.

Another large percent are drunk or high and couldn't use a gun.

Most rapes are not defensable with a gun.

You are still talking about tens of thousands of people a gun could have helped.

No you are talking about like a fraction of a percent.

Like 69% of 90K was by strangers and 60% don't even get reported? lol YOU believe it

 

[Brain357]

And the vast majority of rapes aren't defendable with a gun.

Link?

Here are and stats:
Rape Statistics | Statistic Brain

Most victims are raped by a friend or intimate.

Another large percent of victims are minors who can't have a gun.

Another large percent are drunk or high and couldn't use a gun.

Most rapes are not defensable with a gun.

You are still talking about tens of thousands of people a gun could have helped.

No you are talking about like a fraction of a percent.

Like 69% of 90K was by strangers and 60% don't even get reported? lol YOU believe it

Throw in family members and its 73%. 29% are minors and can't have a gun. Then many are drunk and high and couldn't use a gun. Sorry it adds up to a small fraction of a percent.

 

[TNHarley]

Link?

Here are and stats:
Rape Statistics | Statistic Brain

Most victims are raped by a friend or intimate.

Another large percent of victims are minors who can't have a gun.

Another large percent are drunk or high and couldn't use a gun.

Most rapes are not defensable with a gun.

You are still talking about tens of thousands of people a gun could have helped.

No you are talking about like a fraction of a percent.

Like 69% of 90K was by strangers and 60% don't even get reported? lol YOU believe it

Throw in family members and its 73%. 29% are minors and can't have a gun. Then many are drunk and high and couldn't use a gun. Sorry it adds up to a small fraction of a percent.

family members could still use a gun

 

[Brain357]

Here are and stats:
Rape Statistics | Statistic Brain

Most victims are raped by a friend or intimate.

Another large percent of victims are minors who can't have a gun.

Another large percent are drunk or high and couldn't use a gun.

Most rapes are not defensable with a gun.

You are still talking about tens of thousands of people a gun could have helped.

No you are talking about like a fraction of a percent.

Like 69% of 90K was by strangers and 60% don't even get reported? lol YOU believe it

Throw in family members and its 73%. 29% are minors and can't have a gun. Then many are drunk and high and couldn't use a gun. Sorry it adds up to a small fraction of a percent.

family members could still use a gun

Really? If your family member was a gun owner you wouldn't chose to rape them when they could shoot you.

 

[TNHarley]

You are still talking about tens of thousands of people a gun could have helped.

No you are talking about like a fraction of a percent.

Like 69% of 90K was by strangers and 60% don't even get reported? lol YOU believe it

Throw in family members and its 73%. 29% are minors and can't have a gun. Then many are drunk and high and couldn't use a gun. Sorry it adds up to a small fraction of a percent.

family members could still use a gun

Really? If your family member was a gun owner you wouldn't chose to rape them when they could shoot you.

You don't have to be a lawful gun owner to use a gun. Isnt that what this thing is about?

 

[Brain357]

No you are talking about like a fraction of a percent.

Like 69% of 90K was by strangers and 60% don't even get reported? lol YOU believe it

Throw in family members and its 73%. 29% are minors and can't have a gun. Then many are drunk and high and couldn't use a gun. Sorry it adds up to a small fraction of a percent.

family members could still use a gun

Really? If your family member was a gun owner you wouldn't chose to rape them when they could shoot you.

You don't have to be a lawful gun owner to use a gun. Isnt that what this thing is about?

I don't get your point. You would know your family member had a gun and wouldn't choose to attack them when they could shoot you.

 

[TNHarley]

Like 69% of 90K was by strangers and 60% don't even get reported? lol YOU believe it

Throw in family members and its 73%. 29% are minors and can't have a gun. Then many are drunk and high and couldn't use a gun. Sorry it adds up to a small fraction of a percent.

family members could still use a gun

Really? If your family member was a gun owner you wouldn't chose to rape them when they could shoot you.

You don't have to be a lawful gun owner to use a gun. Isnt that what this thing is about?

I don't get your point. You would know your family member had a gun and wouldn't choose to attack them when they could shoot you.

So you are saying all those home rapes didn't have a gun in the house?

 

[Brain357]

Throw in family members and its 73%. 29% are minors and can't have a gun. Then many are drunk and high and couldn't use a gun. Sorry it adds up to a small fraction of a percent.

family members could still use a gun

Really? If your family member was a gun owner you wouldn't chose to rape them when they could shoot you.

You don't have to be a lawful gun owner to use a gun. Isnt that what this thing is about?

I don't get your point. You would know your family member had a gun and wouldn't choose to attack them when they could shoot you.

So you are saying all those home rapes didn't have a gun in the house?

I'm saying the attacker would make sure the victim couldn't use it. That would be easy being a family member.

 

[TNHarley]

family members could still use a gun

Really? If your family member was a gun owner you wouldn't chose to rape them when they could shoot you.

You don't have to be a lawful gun owner to use a gun. Isnt that what this thing is about?

I don't get your point. You would know your family member had a gun and wouldn't choose to attack them when they could shoot you.

So you are saying all those home rapes didn't have a gun in the house?

I'm saying the attacker would make sure the victim couldn't use it. That would be easy being a family member.

Good look proving that.

 

[Brain357]

Really? If your family member was a gun owner you wouldn't chose to rape them when they could shoot you.

You don't have to be a lawful gun owner to use a gun. Isnt that what this thing is about?

I don't get your point. You would know your family member had a gun and wouldn't choose to attack them when they could shoot you.

So you are saying all those home rapes didn't have a gun in the house?

I'm saying the attacker would make sure the victim couldn't use it. That would be easy being a family member.

Good look proving that.

What is to prove? You think the attacker wants to be shot? Good luck proving that.

 

[TNHarley]

You don't have to be a lawful gun owner to use a gun. Isnt that what this thing is about?

I don't get your point. You would know your family member had a gun and wouldn't choose to attack them when they could shoot you.

So you are saying all those home rapes didn't have a gun in the house?

I'm saying the attacker would make sure the victim couldn't use it. That would be easy being a family member.

Good look proving that.

What is to prove? You think the attacker wants to be shot? Good luck proving that.

Well sir, that's a strawman. So, no, I wont be proving that.

 

[Brain357]

I don't get your point. You would know your family member had a gun and wouldn't choose to attack them when they could shoot you.

So you are saying all those home rapes didn't have a gun in the house?

I'm saying the attacker would make sure the victim couldn't use it. That would be easy being a family member.

Good look proving that.

What is to prove? You think the attacker wants to be shot? Good luck proving that.

Well sir, that's a strawman. So, no, I wont be proving that.

That's because the attacker wouldn't want to be shot and would attack when the victim is unarmed obviously...

 

[2aguy]

There was a shooting in Chicago on Tuesday…..3 teenagers shot…2 killed……police say it was gang related and a result of an earlier shooting that took place somewhere else…

The myth that normal Americans are dangerous because of guns is just that, a myth. The majority of gun murder is committed by violent criminals with long histories of violence and crime, and the victims are also career criminals with long histories of violence and crime…

Police: Shooting of 3 teens latest burst of gang violence in Grand Crossing

Donta Parker, 16, was shot in the head and Sakinah Reed, 17, was hit in the chest. Both were pronounced dead at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn an hour later, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.

Parker lived in the 7800 block of South Cregier Avenue, not far from the shooting, and Reed lived in the 9000 block of South Burley Avenue, according to the medical examiner's office.


Another 16-year-old boy was shot in the hand and was taken in good condition to St. Bernard Hospital, police said.

About three hours earlier, an 18-year-old man was shot in the thigh in the 7400 block of South Blackstone Avenue, also in the Grand Crossing neighborhood, police said. He was dropped off at Jackson Park Hospital and was in good condition, police said.

A law enforcement source, citing preliminary information, said the two shootings appear to be gang-related and may be connected. No one was reported in custody in either shooting


Now this points out another thing about gun violence in the U.S….there were 8,124 gun murders in the U.S. in 2014 according to the FBI table 8.

But…..as you can see here, guns are not used in each murder, and many times one gun kills multiple victims…so the true number of guns used to commit murder is smaller than the 8,124 victims.

For example….2 guns used in San Bernadino muslim terror attack…14 dead…..

So…..of the 357 million guns in private hands…..less than 8,124 of them were used to commit gun murder.

That means that over 356,991,876 guns in the hands of normal gun owners, were not used to murder anyone……..

That really kills the idea you need a gun for defense also. Unless you are involved in criminal activity you are very safe.

I agree. Damn those pesky innocent victims of violent criminals! What right do they have?!

According to the op most victims are themselves criminals.

ay caramba

The myth that normal Americans are dangerous because of guns is just that, a myth. The majority of gun murder is committed by violent criminals with long histories of violence and crime, and the victims are also career criminals with long histories of violence and crime…

You have finally learned something Brain.

 

[2aguy]

ay caramba

The myth that normal Americans are dangerous because of guns is just that, a myth. The majority of gun murder is committed by violent criminals with long histories of violence and crime, and the victims are also career criminals with long histories of violence and crime…

gun murder.. Nevermind..

Never mind is a good choice. You are losing quickly.

losing what? lol
Not every instance of violence ends with gun murder. Not even CLOSE
We have like 300K rape cases each year.

And the vast majority of rapes aren't defendable with a gun.

And thousands are......

 

[2aguy]

There was a shooting in Chicago on Tuesday…..3 teenagers shot…2 killed……police say it was gang related and a result of an earlier shooting that took place somewhere else…

The myth that normal Americans are dangerous because of guns is just that, a myth. The majority of gun murder is committed by violent criminals with long histories of violence and crime, and the victims are also career criminals with long histories of violence and crime…

Police: Shooting of 3 teens latest burst of gang violence in Grand Crossing

Donta Parker, 16, was shot in the head and Sakinah Reed, 17, was hit in the chest. Both were pronounced dead at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn an hour later, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.

Parker lived in the 7800 block of South Cregier Avenue, not far from the shooting, and Reed lived in the 9000 block of South Burley Avenue, according to the medical examiner's office.


Another 16-year-old boy was shot in the hand and was taken in good condition to St. Bernard Hospital, police said.

About three hours earlier, an 18-year-old man was shot in the thigh in the 7400 block of South Blackstone Avenue, also in the Grand Crossing neighborhood, police said. He was dropped off at Jackson Park Hospital and was in good condition, police said.

A law enforcement source, citing preliminary information, said the two shootings appear to be gang-related and may be connected. No one was reported in custody in either shooting


Now this points out another thing about gun violence in the U.S….there were 8,124 gun murders in the U.S. in 2014 according to the FBI table 8.

But…..as you can see here, guns are not used in each murder, and many times one gun kills multiple victims…so the true number of guns used to commit murder is smaller than the 8,124 victims.

For example….2 guns used in San Bernadino muslim terror attack…14 dead…..

So…..of the 357 million guns in private hands…..less than 8,124 of them were used to commit gun murder.

That means that over 356,991,876 guns in the hands of normal gun owners, were not used to murder anyone……..

That really kills the idea you need a gun for defense also. Unless you are involved in criminal activity you are very safe.

Really….? That again….don't you have new crap to try out…..

Crap? It's your own argument:

The myth that normal Americans are dangerous because of guns is just that, a myth. The majority of gun murder is committed by violent criminals with long histories of violence and crime, and the victims are also career criminals with long histories of violence and crime…

Based on your own post only criminals really need a gun for defense.

No....you saying that since crime is low no one needs to carry a gun for self defense...that crap.

 

[2aguy]

The majority of gun murder is committed by violent criminals

Well that was redundant since murder is violent and against the law

Poison is hardly violent........

 

[Brain357]

The myth that normal Americans are dangerous because of guns is just that, a myth. The majority of gun murder is committed by violent criminals with long histories of violence and crime, and the victims are also career criminals with long histories of violence and crime…

gun murder.. Nevermind..

Never mind is a good choice. You are losing quickly.

losing what? lol
Not every instance of violence ends with gun murder. Not even CLOSE
We have like 300K rape cases each year.

And the vast majority of rapes aren't defendable with a gun.

And thousands are......

No they aren't.

 

[Brain357]

There was a shooting in Chicago on Tuesday…..3 teenagers shot…2 killed……police say it was gang related and a result of an earlier shooting that took place somewhere else…

The myth that normal Americans are dangerous because of guns is just that, a myth. The majority of gun murder is committed by violent criminals with long histories of violence and crime, and the victims are also career criminals with long histories of violence and crime…

Police: Shooting of 3 teens latest burst of gang violence in Grand Crossing

Donta Parker, 16, was shot in the head and Sakinah Reed, 17, was hit in the chest. Both were pronounced dead at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn an hour later, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.

Parker lived in the 7800 block of South Cregier Avenue, not far from the shooting, and Reed lived in the 9000 block of South Burley Avenue, according to the medical examiner's office.


Another 16-year-old boy was shot in the hand and was taken in good condition to St. Bernard Hospital, police said.

About three hours earlier, an 18-year-old man was shot in the thigh in the 7400 block of South Blackstone Avenue, also in the Grand Crossing neighborhood, police said. He was dropped off at Jackson Park Hospital and was in good condition, police said.

A law enforcement source, citing preliminary information, said the two shootings appear to be gang-related and may be connected. No one was reported in custody in either shooting


Now this points out another thing about gun violence in the U.S….there were 8,124 gun murders in the U.S. in 2014 according to the FBI table 8.

But…..as you can see here, guns are not used in each murder, and many times one gun kills multiple victims…so the true number of guns used to commit murder is smaller than the 8,124 victims.

For example….2 guns used in San Bernadino muslim terror attack…14 dead…..

So…..of the 357 million guns in private hands…..less than 8,124 of them were used to commit gun murder.

That means that over 356,991,876 guns in the hands of normal gun owners, were not used to murder anyone……..

That really kills the idea you need a gun for defense also. Unless you are involved in criminal activity you are very safe.

Really….? That again….don't you have new crap to try out…..

Crap? It's your own argument:

The myth that normal Americans are dangerous because of guns is just that, a myth. The majority of gun murder is committed by violent criminals with long histories of violence and crime, and the victims are also career criminals with long histories of violence and crime…

Based on your own post only criminals really need a gun for defense.

No....you saying that since crime is low no one needs to carry a gun for self defense...that crap.

No it isn't. Since you are statistically very unlikely to be a victim why bother? Do you wear a helmet when you drive your car?