Lefties explain our institutions are examples of Socialism; then cry that you dont know the meaning

[Jantje_Smit]

Oh an ankle biter who likes childish emoticons

So what, you like childish insults

I see the discussion was above your level so you broke the thread with a BS post ..........

What discussion, you never advanced above socialism is evil, free market is the 11th commandment and Ayn Rand is my idol.

 

[Iceweasel]

That's not about machine productivity, that's human productivity.

...using machines.

 

[paddymurphy]

And yet, in the nations of Europe that you would call socialist, the opposite is true. They have a better quality of life than we do, by any measure.

Total bullshit. In every measure. Look at our homes, cars, entertainment, land etc.

So, big houses, big yards and big cars is how you measure the quality of your life? What a fucking loser.

 

[Iceweasel]

Unlike religion though, socialism doesn't require a holy book simply to do the right thing

No, it requires doing the left thing, which requires more faith than religion.

 

[paddymurphy]

Unlike religion though, socialism doesn't require a holy book simply to do the right thing

No, it requires doing the left thing, which requires more faith than religion.

No. It requires something you lack; rationality.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Oh an ankle biter who likes childish emoticons

So what, you like childish insults

I see the discussion was above your level so you broke the thread with a BS post ..........

What discussion, you never advanced above socialism is evil, free market is the 11th commandment and Ayn Rand is my idol.

Yep, just another ignorant piece of feces who resorts to ad hominems instead of a logical conversation.

 

[danielpalos]

1) Socialism benefits the few at the expense of the many: Socialism is superior to capitalism in one primary way: It offers more security. It's almost like an extremely expensive insurance policy that dramatically cuts into your quality of life, but insures that if worse comes to worse, you won't drop below a very minimal lifestyle. For the vast majority of people, this would be a terrible deal. On the other hand, if you're lazy, completely incompetent or alternately, just have a streak of very bad luck, the meager benefits provided by socialism may be very appealing. So a socialist society forces the many to suffer in order to make it easier for the few. It's just as Winston Churchill once noted, "The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism - John Hawkins - Page full

or, equality before the law. equality is a social concept not a capital concept.

 

[Iceweasel]

And yet, in the nations of Europe that you would call socialist, the opposite is true. They have a better quality of life than we do, by any measure.

Total bullshit. In every measure. Look at our homes, cars, entertainment, land etc.

So, big houses, big yards and big cars is how you measure the quality of your life? What a fucking loser.

Waiting three months for a simple surgery so you can go back to your tiny house in the crowded neighborhood in your tiny car you pay a fortune in gas for, along with a punishing tax rate on everything, is how you define quality of life?

 

[danielpalos]

The problem Comrade, is that socialism requires social morals for free, like religion.

Unlike religion though, socialism doesn't require a holy book simply to do the right thing

It involves some Thing even more "sacred" (to the Militia of the United States), our Constitution and supreme law of the land that was Ordained and Established by our Founding Fathers; and they spake it so in Article the Sixth.

 

[paddymurphy]

And yet, in the nations of Europe that you would call socialist, the opposite is true. They have a better quality of life than we do, by any measure.

Total bullshit. In every measure. Look at our homes, cars, entertainment, land etc.

So, big houses, big yards and big cars is how you measure the quality of your life? What a fucking loser.

Waiting three months for a simple surgery so you can go back to your tiny house in the crowded neighborhood in your tiny car you pay a fortune in gas for, along with a punishing tax rate on everything, is how you define quality of life?

So, you don't know shit about Europe, then? Those "tiny" houses in London or Paris or Rome or Dublin cost more than your double wide; and more than the McMansions in the suburbs. And the waiting time claim is false.

 

[NYcarbineer]

That's not about machine productivity, that's human productivity.

...using machines.

So a guy digging ditches with a backhoe shouldn't make any more than a guy digging ditches with a shovel?

lol. idiot.

 

[The sheeple sea]

And yet, in the nations of Europe that you would call socialist, the opposite is true. They have a better quality of life than we do, by any measure.

Total bullshit. In every measure. Look at our homes, cars, entertainment, land etc.

He said without any idea what life is like there. We have houses, cars, and land here, must be no one has it better. We also have huge student debt, a high rate of poverty, and a complete lack of upward mobility. Maybe when you say in every measure, you should do some quick research and measure something rather than look outside and go "nuh uh, look at my stuff"

 

[RicO'Shea]

There's a difference between social programs and socialism proper. Privatizing Social Security is very risky, and the Great Republican recession is proof positive of that. Privatizing is just a different way of saying corporate control, and we all know how corporate control is corrupt. Corporations buy lobbyists who in turn buy politicians who legislate laws designed to increase the corporate bottom line at the expense of the poor and the middle class. That is the real redistribution of wealth going on in America today. It's also what's wrong with Citizens United, it allows those with money to have a louder voice than those who don't.

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[The sheeple sea]

OK, couple of things here.

What specifically do you dislike about socialism, and how does that differ from the way we run current social programs? Don't give me slippery slope or some other weasel excuse. What specifically do you dislike about socialism and how does that differ from the way we run current social programs?

Which socialist program is NOT in trouble?

OK, couple of things here, EPA, OSHA, the clean water you drink and student aid. Secondly, I find it funny that right-wing folks act as though social programs are bankrupting this country, not the unnecessary TRILLIONS spent in foreign wars. The amount we give out in bailouts of "corporate welfare" TRIPLES the amount we pay for personal welfare, food stamps, social security etc.. As for Greece being a failed example of socialism Greece was the primary victim of the 2008 financial crisis when countries of the world shifted their problems around and they landed on Greece. The idea that socialism is what caused Greece to fail is borderline retarded. Since the world governments have been calling for austerity in Greece (the cutback of wages, benefits, social programs etc. ) things in Greece went from slow recovery to a complete landslide back into worse economic chaos. To look for a state that has had more socialism for quite some time and uses it to the benefit of all successfully you have Finland and Denmark to just name two. And while we are at I suppose that you blame social programs for every major financial collapse in America? Who cares that it stems from unregulated, risky banking tactics.

EPA? The same fuckups that turned a river into a heavy metal soup? OSHA is unrealistic and adds a lot of cost to construction that we all pay for. Those should be state run, not federal.

The cost of the wars is dwarfed by entitlement spending and it's growing exponentially. It is not sustainable and blaming the evil right wing won't solve it.

Greece spend themselves into bankruptcy, the retard is YOU.

We spend less than 100 billion a year on entitlements, almost 6 trillion in perpetual warfare, 380 billion in corporate warfare, its unclear whether you don't know what the word "dwarfs" means or if you don't get basic math like what is the bigger number

 

[The sheeple sea]

OK, couple of things here.

What specifically do you dislike about socialism, and how does that differ from the way we run current social programs? Don't give me slippery slope or some other weasel excuse. What specifically do you dislike about socialism and how does that differ from the way we run current social programs?

Which socialist program is NOT in trouble?

OK, couple of things here, EPA, OSHA, the clean water you drink and student aid. Secondly, I find it funny that right-wing folks act as though social programs are bankrupting this country, not the unnecessary TRILLIONS spent in foreign wars. The amount we give out in bailouts of "corporate welfare" TRIPLES the amount we pay for personal welfare, food stamps, social security etc.. As for Greece being a failed example of socialism Greece was the primary victim of the 2008 financial crisis when countries of the world shifted their problems around and they landed on Greece. The idea that socialism is what caused Greece to fail is borderline retarded. Since the world governments have been calling for austerity in Greece (the cutback of wages, benefits, social programs etc. ) things in Greece went from slow recovery to a complete landslide back into worse economic chaos. To look for a state that has had more socialism for quite some time and uses it to the benefit of all successfully you have Finland and Denmark to just name two. And while we are at I suppose that you blame social programs for every major financial collapse in America? Who cares that it stems from unregulated, risky banking tactics.

EPA? The same fuckups that turned a river into a heavy metal soup? OSHA is unrealistic and adds a lot of cost to construction that we all pay for. Those should be state run, not federal.

The cost of the wars is dwarfed by entitlement spending and it's growing exponentially. It is not sustainable and blaming the evil right wing won't solve it.

Greece spend themselves into bankruptcy, the retard is YOU.

And yeah, OSHA is dumb let's go back to workers dying by the thousands in preventable conditions like in the third world, read a goddamn book.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Yep, just another ignorant piece of feces who resorts to ad hominems instead of a logical conversation.

Sorry comrade, it's simply impossible to have a rational conversation with delusional tea cultists like yourself.

And believe me, I've been trying for years

Oh, and that you can't even see the irony in your own answer illustrates my point

 

[Iceweasel]

Unlike religion though, socialism doesn't require a holy book simply to do the right thing

No, it requires doing the left thing, which requires more faith than religion.

No. It requires something you lack; rationality.

Which proves my point, you think fiscal responsibility is irrational.

 

[Iceweasel]

And yet, in the nations of Europe that you would call socialist, the opposite is true. They have a better quality of life than we do, by any measure.

Total bullshit. In every measure. Look at our homes, cars, entertainment, land etc.

He said without any idea what life is like there. We have houses, cars, and land here, must be no one has it better. We also have huge student debt, a high rate of poverty, and a complete lack of upward mobility. Maybe when you say in every measure, you should do some quick research and measure something rather than look outside and go "nuh uh, look at my stuff"

You are you talking about? Sounds sorta third partyish. I lived in Germany for 7 years and can say most Americans do have it better, we're quite spoiled actually. Student loans? Blame that ont he government, they helped tuition go through the roof. It happens when government gets involved. Nor did I claim everyone here was doing better than everyone in Europe.

 

[Camp]

And yet, in the nations of Europe that you would call socialist, the opposite is true. They have a better quality of life than we do, by any measure.

Total bullshit. In every measure. Look at our homes, cars, entertainment, land etc.

How many European countries have you explored? Landing in a tourist city and seeing the tourist sites doesn't count. How many have you actually spent time in, perhaps traveling the country and going into the small towns and the countryside? Have you even been to one?

 

[Iceweasel]

And yet, in the nations of Europe that you would call socialist, the opposite is true. They have a better quality of life than we do, by any measure.

Total bullshit. In every measure. Look at our homes, cars, entertainment, land etc.

How many European countries have you explored? Landing in a tourist city and seeing the tourist sites doesn't count. How many have you actually spent time in, perhaps traveling the country and going into the small towns and the countryside? Have you even been to one?

You can't read. That was answered above.