Lefties explain our institutions are examples of Socialism; then cry that you dont know the meaning

[BULLDOG]

Socialism is what made the US number one, right?

Number one in what exactly? The largest debt in human history, the most guns per citizen, the most expensive military, the most prisoners?

Sorry, but I don't think you can blame socialism for that

Which proves you're an idiot. That's why you think what you do.

What's the problem comrade, is it our fault you're too stupid to understand the benefits of socialism?

Socialism is what made the US number one, right?

Big part of it.

Really Bullpup? So the farther left we go the worse things get and you think that's what made us great? Your thought masters have done well.

That's the best you can do? You grew up with a few words that sounded scary, like communism, and socialism, and, in your case, probably fluoride. Now people are beginning to see that socialism isn't just a scary word, but has a specific meaning and doesn't always mean the same thing as bad. Too bad you aren't smart enough to figure that out.

I see examples of it everyday. I see how it's moving a productive society to an entitlement mentality. Some of the best examples are government employees, fat, stupid, lazy, socialist minded and quite arrogant about it. If you want to see what socialism does to people look no farther than local government employees.

To be clear, you don't like socialism because you don't like government employees? Is that your entire reason, or is there more? Be specific.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

So if socialism is so great, what is Greece's problem right now, I mean for a socialist utopia the news sure make it out to be a fucking shit hole with rioters and turmoil.

Is this your idea of a better America??

Just too stupid to realize how detrimental your self centered lusting for material possession you do not work for is to the rest of your societal peers.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Why yes all those interviews are all current posters, most likely on my ignore list for sheer ignorance ..................

See, one posted right before me /\/\/\/\

Non of them pretended to know the answer, you know, the way you are doing.

 

[NYcarbineer]

the Left lectures that all our publicly run programs and institutions are examples of Socialism we already have. then they demand MORE OF THAT, and FIGHT any attempt to privatize anything. Then the same left-wingers that lecture on what socialism is STILL CRY that you "dont know what socialism is" even after THEY told you what it was.

what's up wit that?

Why don't you just tell us what socialism is or isn't and quit jabbering about it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What's the problem comrade, is it our fault you're too stupid to understand the benefits of socialism?

Socialism is what made the US number one, right?

What made America great was the ability of the working class to get a fair share of the wealth that was being generated,
something that has been steadily eroding for many years now.

 

[Camp]

So if socialism is so great, what is Greece's problem right now, I mean for a socialist utopia the news sure make it out to be a fucking shit hole with rioters and turmoil.

Is this your idea of a better America??

Just too stupid to realize how detrimental your self centered lusting for material possession you do not work for is to the rest of your societal peers.

All successful governments use a blending of capitalism and socialism. When that blending becomes out of balance problems arise. Far more countries fail from unregulated capitalism than socialism. In fact, there is no comparison. That is because out of balance systems with to much socialism take a long time to cause collapse. Out of control capitalism cause collapse quickly. Those collapses are called revolutions and coups.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is all about the RWnuts' obsession with trying to use namecalling as an effective argument.

It used to be, label someone as a 'liberal' and you'll win the argument without actually making an argument.

Now it's, label someone as a 'socialist' and you'll win the argument without actually making an argument.

Try my method:

Prove that rightwingers are nuts, as I have done repeatedly, and then you can rightfully label them as RWnuts.

lol

 

[Iceweasel]

What's the problem comrade, is it our fault you're too stupid to understand the benefits of socialism?

Socialism is what made the US number one, right?

What made America great was the ability of the working class to get a fair share of the wealth that was being generated,
something that has been steadily eroding for many years now.

....the further left we go.

 

[BULLDOG]

So if socialism is so great, what is Greece's problem right now, I mean for a socialist utopia the news sure make it out to be a fucking shit hole with rioters and turmoil.

Is this your idea of a better America??

Just too stupid to realize how detrimental your self centered lusting for material possession you do not work for is to the rest of your societal peers.

Here is a list of strong capitalists. Using your logic, they are a perfect example of why capitalism sucks. Are any of these your idea of a better America?

*Alfredo Stroessner of Paraguay: Strongly free market, 90,000 people "disappeared" in a country that had only 2.3 million at the time, mass graves were found near the Chaco River

*Antonio Salazar of Portugal: Totalitarian, people who criticized him simply "dissappeared", highly xenophobic, strongly pro-colonialism

*Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire: Totalitarian, robbed the entire country of Zaire's wealth, directly responsible for the 2nd Congo War by proxy of the USA

*Rafael Trujillo of Dominican Republic: capitalist; tens of thousands of people dissappeared during his regime)

*François "Papa Doc" Duvalier of Haiti: killed tens of thousands of people in his small island country, cult of personality, preferred to be worshipped as a god,
strongly anti-communist, strongly pro-market

*Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam: Catholic dictator, harassed/tortured/executed Buddhists and Buddhist clergy, Buddhists were arrested for practicing their religion in public, suspected communists were tortured and executed, hundreds of thousands were tortured and executed in capitalist purges.

*Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines: thousands murdered, thousands more "dissappeared", close to 120,000 tortured and imprisoned, billions of dollars stolen from the Filipino economy

*Anastazio Somoza Debayle of Nicaragua: autocratic ruler, he introduced the term "death squads" into the common vernacular; in 1975, tens of thousands were executed, tens of thousands more "dissappeared", hundreds of thousands were tortured and jailed in capitalist purges, elections suspended, mass malnutrition and disease, corruption, etc. etc.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

What a moron, you have to look no farther than Greece to find badly failing socialism.

Sugar coat it any way you want, but just as you, it is of the devil ...................

Sista ...............

Eh, Greece is in deep $hit because of their previous rightwing governments. Or do you think the problems started a few months ago when Syriza was elected?

And if you think the holy €€€ is about socialism than you're truly delusional.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So if socialism is so great, what is Greece's problem right now, I mean for a socialist utopia the news sure make it out to be a fucking shit hole with rioters and turmoil.

Is this your idea of a better America??

Just too stupid to realize how detrimental your self centered lusting for material possession you do not work for is to the rest of your societal peers.

If capitalism is so great, why is it that when the People have the power to do so, they inevitably rein, regulate, and control capitalism,

as well as inevitably introducing socialist institutions into their societies,

almost always fighting the capitalists every step of the way?

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

What's the problem comrade, is it our fault you're too stupid to understand the benefits of socialism?

Socialism is what made the US number one, right?

What made America great was the ability of the working class to get a fair share of the wealth that was being generated,
something that has been steadily eroding for many years now.

Working class still has that ability though it has been severely crippled by the current administration and it's inability to create jobs or promote job growth.

What has been eroding for many years is the work force in which blacks have highest rate of unemployment and labor force non participation.

America's biggest job market problem is uniquely American

• by
• Stephen Gandel

• @stephengandel

July 2, 2015, 11:18 AM EDT

Federal Reserve looks at the labor markets in eight developed countries and finds participation is falling the fastest in the U.S.


Here’s something unique about America not to celebrate on July 4th: Our shrinking workforce.

On Thursday, the government reported that the U.S. added 223,000 jobs last month. It’s a decent number, and it shows that the economy is still expanding, though not quite spectacularly. The jobs report also included a figure that suggests the labor market is perhaps a lot weaker than many think. The number of people in the workforce dropped by 432,000 in June, to just over 157 million. That translates to 62.6% of the overall population, the lowest the labor force participation rate has been since 1977.

Some have said that the drop in the labor force participation rate is largely about demographics and nothing to worry about. Aging baby boomers are retiring. Middle-aged women, who came roaring into the workforce in the 1970s and 1980s, are now opting out. More kids are staying in school. (Thanks Mr. T!) Indeed, a group of economists basically predicted the current drop in the labor force participation rate all the way back in 2006, well before the recession hit.

Last week, though, a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis took on the notion that the drop is all about demographics and not a sign that the labor market is sicker than we think. The study looked at the labor force participation rate not just in the U.S. but in eight major developed countries, including Sweden, Japan, Canada, Germany, France, Spain, and the United Kingdom. Nearly all of those countries are facing the same demographic trends as the U.S. And Japan is currently dealing with an even more severe case of aging population. And yet, out of the eight nations, the U.S. is the only one where the participation in the labor force is declining.

Labor force participation rate falls faster in U.S. than elsewhere - Fortune

 

[Camp]

What's the problem comrade, is it our fault you're too stupid to understand the benefits of socialism?

Socialism is what made the US number one, right?

What made America great was the ability of the working class to get a fair share of the wealth that was being generated,
something that has been steadily eroding for many years now.

Yes, but what is ignored is the vast amounts of natural resources that were available, the wealth, to the common man. Anyone willing to go after America's tangible wealth could go after that wealth and create employment and business opportunities. Those resources have been thinned, stolen and the control of them is more often than not given to a select few through corruption.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Really how give us an example of how capitalist have introduced socialist institutions.

 

[Iceweasel]

So if socialism is so great, what is Greece's problem right now, I mean for a socialist utopia the news sure make it out to be a fucking shit hole with rioters and turmoil.

Is this your idea of a better America??

Just too stupid to realize how detrimental your self centered lusting for material possession you do not work for is to the rest of your societal peers.

All successful governments use a blending of capitalism and socialism. When that blending becomes out of balance problems arise. Far more countries fail from unregulated capitalism than socialism. In fact, there is no comparison. That is because out of balance systems with to much socialism take a long time to cause collapse. Out of control capitalism cause collapse quickly. Those collapses are called revolutions and coups.

This is the spin. Liberals like to toss out the term unregulated or unfettered capitalism. There's no such thing. It's made up to make socialism more palatable. Unregulated capitalism would be anarchy. There's nothing in capitalism that devoids any form of regulation, in fact you need laws and standards for it to thrive and create a free marketplace.

The fact is this country was largely small business entrepreneurship and as regulations, taxes, mandatory obligations etc. many dropped off or fail and big business keeps gobbling up more businesses becoming giant corporations.

We have as a result, less opportunity, more pay discrepancy and more unemployed cared for by others.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Which proves you're an idiot. That's why you think what you do.

I don't think you understand the concept of "proof" comrade, not very surprising otherwise you wouldn't vote for the clowns that tell you socialism is evil.

What a moron, you have to look no farther than Greece to find badly failing socialism.

Sugar coat it any way you want, but just as you, it is of the devil ...................

Sista ...............

That's funny. Greece is failing because of corruption, not socialism. The current govt is socialist, but they've been in for a few months. The reality was Greece failed because of people taking the pie that was destined for social works, like better infrastructure and so on.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What's the problem comrade, is it our fault you're too stupid to understand the benefits of socialism?

Socialism is what made the US number one, right?

What made America great was the ability of the working class to get a fair share of the wealth that was being generated,
something that has been steadily eroding for many years now.

Working class still has that ability though it has been severely crippled by the current administration and it's inability to create jobs or promote job growth.

What has been eroding for many years is the work force in which blacks have highest rate of unemployment and labor force non participation.

America's biggest job market problem is uniquely American

• by
• Stephen Gandel

• @stephengandel

July 2, 2015, 11:18 AM EDT

Federal Reserve looks at the labor markets in eight developed countries and finds participation is falling the fastest in the U.S.


Here’s something unique about America not to celebrate on July 4th: Our shrinking workforce.

On Thursday, the government reported that the U.S. added 223,000 jobs last month. It’s a decent number, and it shows that the economy is still expanding, though not quite spectacularly. The jobs report also included a figure that suggests the labor market is perhaps a lot weaker than many think. The number of people in the workforce dropped by 432,000 in June, to just over 157 million. That translates to 62.6% of the overall population, the lowest the labor force participation rate has been since 1977.

Some have said that the drop in the labor force participation rate is largely about demographics and nothing to worry about. Aging baby boomers are retiring. Middle-aged women, who came roaring into the workforce in the 1970s and 1980s, are now opting out. More kids are staying in school. (Thanks Mr. T!) Indeed, a group of economists basically predicted the current drop in the labor force participation rate all the way back in 2006, well before the recession hit.

Last week, though, a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis took on the notion that the drop is all about demographics and not a sign that the labor market is sicker than we think. The study looked at the labor force participation rate not just in the U.S. but in eight major developed countries, including Sweden, Japan, Canada, Germany, France, Spain, and the United Kingdom. Nearly all of those countries are facing the same demographic trends as the U.S. And Japan is currently dealing with an even more severe case of aging population. And yet, out of the eight nations, the U.S. is the only one where the participation in the labor force is declining.

Labor force participation rate falls faster in U.S. than elsewhere - Fortune

lol a bunch of irrelevant nonsense.

This is what's relevant:

 

[NYcarbineer]

So if socialism is so great, what is Greece's problem right now, I mean for a socialist utopia the news sure make it out to be a fucking shit hole with rioters and turmoil.

Is this your idea of a better America??

Just too stupid to realize how detrimental your self centered lusting for material possession you do not work for is to the rest of your societal peers.

All successful governments use a blending of capitalism and socialism. When that blending becomes out of balance problems arise. Far more countries fail from unregulated capitalism than socialism. In fact, there is no comparison. That is because out of balance systems with to much socialism take a long time to cause collapse. Out of control capitalism cause collapse quickly. Those collapses are called revolutions and coups.

This is the spin. Liberals like to toss out the term unregulated or unfettered capitalism. There's no such thing. It's made up to make socialism more palatable. Unregulated capitalism would be anarchy. There's nothing in capitalism that devoids any form of regulation, in fact you need laws and standards for it to thrive and create a free marketplace.

The fact is this country was largely small business entrepreneurship and as regulations, taxes, mandatory obligations etc. many dropped off or fail and big business keeps gobbling up more businesses becoming giant corporations.

We have as a result, less opportunity, more pay discrepancy and more unemployed cared for by others.

Corporate/business interests fight regulation every step of the way and have throughout history.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Not even close to being relevant to the conversation idiot.

Productivity has went up just due to innovations in technology ..............

How pathetic.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So if socialism is so great, what is Greece's problem right now, I mean for a socialist utopia the news sure make it out to be a fucking shit hole with rioters and turmoil.

Is this your idea of a better America??

Just too stupid to realize how detrimental your self centered lusting for material possession you do not work for is to the rest of your societal peers.

All successful governments use a blending of capitalism and socialism. When that blending becomes out of balance problems arise. Far more countries fail from unregulated capitalism than socialism. In fact, there is no comparison. That is because out of balance systems with to much socialism take a long time to cause collapse. Out of control capitalism cause collapse quickly. Those collapses are called revolutions and coups.

This is the spin. Liberals like to toss out the term unregulated or unfettered capitalism. There's no such thing. It's made up to make socialism more palatable. Unregulated capitalism would be anarchy. There's nothing in capitalism that devoids any form of regulation, in fact you need laws and standards for it to thrive and create a free marketplace.

The fact is this country was largely small business entrepreneurship and as regulations, taxes, mandatory obligations etc. many dropped off or fail and big business keeps gobbling up more businesses becoming giant corporations.

We have as a result, less opportunity, more pay discrepancy and more unemployed cared for by others.

Most countries that work well go for a combination of socialism and capitalism.

Socialism isn't inherently bad. It's also not inherently good.

In the US the big problem is that govt is inherently corrupt, so corrupt that they tell the people how corrupt they are to legitimise it. So any social issue they tackle, they do so from the wrong point of view, often with those who are against it trying to make it fail, others just don't know how to make it work.

Often the way to make social programs work is to make sure they're flexible and ideas are coming and going. The US govt just doesn't have the right set up to be able to do that. It's fighting itself so much. Hence why socialism is seen as bad in the US, because people aren't interested in making it work.

However it can work.

Things that should be govt controlled. Hospitals, infrastructure, post office, armed forces, fire service, police. There are reasons why. With hospitals they can be run more efficiently. The US healthcare system has so much corruption, doctors on the take, insurance companies taking their share of the pie, expensive drugs being used when cheaper ones could work just as well and many other things. In the UK the NHS isn't as good (if you can afford the US system or have healthcare) but it also costs a lot less, half the amount the US spends. If the UK were to increase spending by say, 10% it would be so much better, close to US standards. However in the UK the govt is trying to destroy it so they can benefit from the corruption that goes on.

Infrastructure can work private in some instances, but overall it needs to centrally controlled and people need to be able to use it easily.

Post offices should be in places where people can use them. Private post offices will ignore a lot of people in rural communities.

The rest should be logical.