Let the nuts keep their guns, just raise the fuckin price of bullets!!

[Conservative65]

Can we apply that same line of thinking to other rights? You get legal counsel after being arrested, but slap a million dollar tax on his services? You can still buy pen and paper, but you need to take a class and pay huge fees to have them? You can still keep from testifying against yourself, but only if you pay the special tax and some bureaucrat signs off on it, and he doesn't have to?

We do in a manner of speaking. Everyone is "entitled" to a jury trial of his/her peers. 90% of those incarcerated in our for profit prison system never get a trial at all. Fact is, the penal system would collapse under its own weight if every accused got a trial. But the lie sure sounds nice.

How many of that 90% plead guilty under a plea deal in order that they get a lesser sentence knowing that if they went to trial the punishment would be far more. They're going to jail either way. It works out better for them to plead guilty and not have a trial. Does the fact that they don't have an actual trial mean they weren't treated fairly?

Bingo! Yes, we have an alternative path for the uhnsubstantial people, your are correct.

That's why I asked the question of whether or not plea bargaining meant they weren't treated fairly. Someone that goes to jail under a plea bargain that would have gone to jail after a trial is treated more than fair.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Can we apply that same line of thinking to other rights? You get legal counsel after being arrested, but slap a million dollar tax on his services? You can still buy pen and paper, but you need to take a class and pay huge fees to have them? You can still keep from testifying against yourself, but only if you pay the special tax and some bureaucrat signs off on it, and he doesn't have to?

We do in a manner of speaking. Everyone is "entitled" to a jury trial of his/her peers. 90% of those incarcerated in our for profit prison system never get a trial at all. Fact is, the penal system would collapse under its own weight if every accused got a trial. But the lie sure sounds nice.

Way to go to give advice...

Go ahead and take a jury trial, instead of a plea bargain for a trivia offense and see where that gets ya....



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My question to him was how many of that 90% plea down to a lesser charge knowing that if they went to trial the results would be far worse.

That's the point boys, think a little deeper.

You go first.....



.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Its so simple, just raise the price of bullets and let the gun lovers pay out da ass for ammo.

What do you do with those that make their own ammo?

 

[koshergrl]

Its so simple, just raise the price of bullets and let the gun lovers pay out da ass for ammo.

Dumbass.

We can load our own, you realize.

No of course you don't. You fucking city retards. You think that everything comes from the store.

 

[Conservative65]

Can we apply that same line of thinking to other rights? You get legal counsel after being arrested, but slap a million dollar tax on his services? You can still buy pen and paper, but you need to take a class and pay huge fees to have them? You can still keep from testifying against yourself, but only if you pay the special tax and some bureaucrat signs off on it, and he doesn't have to?

We do in a manner of speaking. Everyone is "entitled" to a jury trial of his/her peers. 90% of those incarcerated in our for profit prison system never get a trial at all. Fact is, the penal system would collapse under its own weight if every accused got a trial. But the lie sure sounds nice.

Way to go to give advice...

Go ahead and take a jury trial, instead of a plea bargain for a trivia offense and see where that gets ya....



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There is one of your constitutional guarantees that is a lie, correct.

It isn't a lie. If the person that would go to jail after a trial chooses to plea and avoid a trial, no right of theirs is being denied. For it to be denied, he/she would have to not have a trial if they wanted one. The accused choosing not to go to trial doesn't mean a right was violated.

 

[Fenton Lum]

No matter what you do, we'll just get around it.

How did prohibition work ? The war on drugs ?

I'm not sure about the drugs part but prohibition DID buy a presidency.............

The war on drugs was/is a war on black males, despite the fact that blacks use drugs at the same levels as whites. But look, for profit prisons with their own lobbyists need the cells full.

Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks
Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

 

[koshergrl]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00162RM3E/?tag=ff0d01-20

 

[Fenton Lum]

Its so simple, just raise the price of bullets and let the gun lovers pay out da ass for ammo.

Dumbass.

We can load our own, you realize.

No of course you don't. You fucking city retards. You think that everything comes from the store.

Yeah, we know, you're going to hold the US govt at bay with your home made bullets.

 

[Conservative65]

Can we apply that same line of thinking to other rights? You get legal counsel after being arrested, but slap a million dollar tax on his services? You can still buy pen and paper, but you need to take a class and pay huge fees to have them? You can still keep from testifying against yourself, but only if you pay the special tax and some bureaucrat signs off on it, and he doesn't have to?

We do in a manner of speaking. Everyone is "entitled" to a jury trial of his/her peers. 90% of those incarcerated in our for profit prison system never get a trial at all. Fact is, the penal system would collapse under its own weight if every accused got a trial. But the lie sure sounds nice.

Way to go to give advice...

Go ahead and take a jury trial, instead of a plea bargain for a trivia offense and see where that gets ya....



.

My question to him was how many of that 90% plea down to a lesser charge knowing that if they went to trial the results would be far worse.

That's the point boys, think a little deeper.

You go first.....



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If Fenton thinks someone choosing to plea down and avoid a trial means that person's rights were violated, he's not thinking at all.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Can we apply that same line of thinking to other rights? You get legal counsel after being arrested, but slap a million dollar tax on his services? You can still buy pen and paper, but you need to take a class and pay huge fees to have them? You can still keep from testifying against yourself, but only if you pay the special tax and some bureaucrat signs off on it, and he doesn't have to?

We do in a manner of speaking. Everyone is "entitled" to a jury trial of his/her peers. 90% of those incarcerated in our for profit prison system never get a trial at all. Fact is, the penal system would collapse under its own weight if every accused got a trial. But the lie sure sounds nice.

Way to go to give advice...

Go ahead and take a jury trial, instead of a plea bargain for a trivia offense and see where that gets ya....



.

There is one of your constitutional guarantees that is a lie, correct.

It isn't a lie. If the person that would go to jail after a trial chooses to plea and avoid a trial, no right of theirs is being denied. For it to be denied, he/she would have to not have a trial if they wanted one. The accused choosing not to go to trial doesn't mean a right was violated.

Only the impoverished receive this route to prison bub, look into it if you care about it.

 

[Fenton Lum]

We do in a manner of speaking. Everyone is "entitled" to a jury trial of his/her peers. 90% of those incarcerated in our for profit prison system never get a trial at all. Fact is, the penal system would collapse under its own weight if every accused got a trial. But the lie sure sounds nice.

Way to go to give advice...

Go ahead and take a jury trial, instead of a plea bargain for a trivia offense and see where that gets ya....



.

My question to him was how many of that 90% plea down to a lesser charge knowing that if they went to trial the results would be far worse.

That's the point boys, think a little deeper.

You go first.....



.

If Fenton thinks someone choosing to plea down and avoid a trial means that person's rights were violated, he's not thinking at all.

I'm talking about how the system treats those with means differently than those without means. If you can't get your head around that then you're not thinking at all, and probably can't handle the reality of how your society really operates. It's not uncommon.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Can we apply that same line of thinking to other rights? You get legal counsel after being arrested, but slap a million dollar tax on his services? You can still buy pen and paper, but you need to take a class and pay huge fees to have them? You can still keep from testifying against yourself, but only if you pay the special tax and some bureaucrat signs off on it, and he doesn't have to?

We do in a manner of speaking. Everyone is "entitled" to a jury trial of his/her peers. 90% of those incarcerated in our for profit prison system never get a trial at all. Fact is, the penal system would collapse under its own weight if every accused got a trial. But the lie sure sounds nice.

Way to go to give advice...

Go ahead and take a jury trial, instead of a plea bargain for a trivia offense and see where that gets ya....



.

My question to him was how many of that 90% plea down to a lesser charge knowing that if they went to trial the results would be far worse.

That's the point boys, think a little deeper.

You go first.....



.

Way beyond ya bubby. Load them shells up, the "liberals" are coming for ya guns.

 

[koshergrl]

Its so simple, just raise the price of bullets and let the gun lovers pay out da ass for ammo.

Dumbass.

We can load our own, you realize.

No of course you don't. You fucking city retards. You think that everything comes from the store.

Yeah, we know, you're going to hold the US govt at bay with your home made bullets.

I think you have an unrealistic view of exactly who it is that is not going to let the government take their weapons from them.

They are the people who actually make the weapons the us government uses.

 

[Conservative65]

Way to go to give advice...

Go ahead and take a jury trial, instead of a plea bargain for a trivia offense and see where that gets ya....



.

My question to him was how many of that 90% plea down to a lesser charge knowing that if they went to trial the results would be far worse.

That's the point boys, think a little deeper.

You go first.....



.

If Fenton thinks someone choosing to plea down and avoid a trial means that person's rights were violated, he's not thinking at all.

I'm talking about how the system treats those with means differently than those without means. If you can't get your head around that then you're not thinking at all, and probably can't handle the reality of how your society really operates. It's not uncommon.

Oh, you're one of those.

 

[Conservative65]

Way to go to give advice...

Go ahead and take a jury trial, instead of a plea bargain for a trivia offense and see where that gets ya....



.

My question to him was how many of that 90% plea down to a lesser charge knowing that if they went to trial the results would be far worse.

That's the point boys, think a little deeper.

You go first.....



.

If Fenton thinks someone choosing to plea down and avoid a trial means that person's rights were violated, he's not thinking at all.

I'm talking about how the system treats those with means differently than those without means. If you can't get your head around that then you're not thinking at all, and probably can't handle the reality of how your society really operates. It's not uncommon.

There's an easy solution for anyone that has a problem with the legal system. Don't commit a crime and it won't be an issue.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Its so simple, just raise the price of bullets and let the gun lovers pay out da ass for ammo.

Dumbass.

We can load our own, you realize.

No of course you don't. You fucking city retards. You think that everything comes from the store.

Yeah, we know, you're going to hold the US govt at bay with your home made bullets.

I think you have an unrealistic view of exactly who it is that is not going to let the government take their weapons from them.

They are the people who actually make the weapons the us government uses.

And?

 

[Fenton Lum]

My question to him was how many of that 90% plea down to a lesser charge knowing that if they went to trial the results would be far worse.

That's the point boys, think a little deeper.

You go first.....



.

If Fenton thinks someone choosing to plea down and avoid a trial means that person's rights were violated, he's not thinking at all.

I'm talking about how the system treats those with means differently than those without means. If you can't get your head around that then you're not thinking at all, and probably can't handle the reality of how your society really operates. It's not uncommon.

There's an easy solution for anyone that has a problem with the legal system. Don't commit a crime and it won't be an issue.

Or have money, as we've seen.

 

[Fenton Lum]

My question to him was how many of that 90% plea down to a lesser charge knowing that if they went to trial the results would be far worse.

That's the point boys, think a little deeper.

You go first.....



.

If Fenton thinks someone choosing to plea down and avoid a trial means that person's rights were violated, he's not thinking at all.

I'm talking about how the system treats those with means differently than those without means. If you can't get your head around that then you're not thinking at all, and probably can't handle the reality of how your society really operates. It's not uncommon.

Oh, you're one of those.

Yes, I question my government, I'm a conservative so that's what I do. We don't just roll over and let the govt do anything they want without questioning. You should try it.

 

[blackhawk]

How would you raise the price on ammo? You won't get anything through Congress to do it and gun dealers sure won't do it on their own so good luck with that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Its so simple, just raise the price of bullets and let the gun lovers pay out da ass for ammo.

Cool. Keep abortion legal, just make them $1 million each.