Zone1 Let's Just Remember That A White Man Ended Kings Dream

[White 6]

Even Though He Is Revered Today, MLK Was Widely Disliked by the American Public When He Was Killed​

Seventy-five percent of Americans disapproved of the civil rights leader as he spoke out against the Vietnam War and economic disparity

Even Though He Is Revered Today, MLK Was Widely Disliked by the American Public When He Was Killed

Seventy-five percent of Americans disapproved of the civil rights leader as he spoke out against the Vietnam War and economic disparity

www.smithsonianmag.com

It's time the lies stopped. A white man murdered King. A right wing racist. So spare us the right wing opinion of what King meant. People here are running their mouths about modern blacks and riots:

Here is what King said about that.

"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met."

King said that more than 50 years ago. There are whites who still don't hear, then mouth off about the riots their refusal to listen have caused. There are whites here running their mouths about reparations:

Here is what King said about that.

“Few people consider the fact that in addition to being enslaved for two centuries, the Negro was during all those years robbed of the wages of his toil. No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries. Not all the wealth of this affluent society could meet the bill. Yet, a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes.

The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the Government of special compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law. Such measures would certainly be less expensive than any computation based on two centuries of unpaid wages and accumulated interest.”

“It is my great feeling that a massive program must be developed by the federal government to bring new hope into being. Among the many vital jobs to be done, the Nation must not only radically readjust its attitude toward the Negro and the compelling present, but must incorporate in its planning some compensatory consideration for the handicaps he has inherited from the past. It is impossible to create a formula for the future which does not take into account that our society has been doing something special against the Negro for hundreds of years.”

And for those who dare to think King would oppose groups like Black Lives Matter:

Here is what King said about that.

Where do we go from here? First, we must massively assert our dignity and worth. We must stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an unassailable and majestic sense of values. We must no longer be ashamed of being black. The job of arousing manhood within a people that have been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. Even semantics have conspired to make that which is black seem ugly and degrading. In Roget’s Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness and at least sixty of them are offensive, such words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better than a black lie. The most degenerate member of a family is the “black sheep.”

Ossie Davis has suggested that maybe the English language should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense of superiority. The tendency to ignore the Negro’s contribution to American life and strip him of his personhood is as old as the earliest history books and as contemporary as the morning’s newspaper.

To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian manhood. Any movement for the Negro’s freedom that overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be buried. As long as the mind is enslaved, the body can never be free. Psychological freedom, a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful weapon against the long night of physical slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of freedom. The Negro will only be free when he reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say to himself and to the world, “I am somebody. I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. I have a rich and noble history, however painful and exploited that history has been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents, and now I’m not ashamed of that. I’m ashamed of the people who were so sinful to make me a slave.” Yes, yes, we must stand up and say, “I’m black, but I’m black and beautiful.”

On April 4, 1968, a white man ended King's dream. So the last thing we blacks need to hear or read is a bunch of white people who can only misquote one sentence King spoke in his life trying to tell us what King stood for.

Though the majority of your post was not about your title, and it was a good post, are you sure on MLK day, that is what you want to remember about him, that his dream died at the hands of a white man? If it died, why are you even posting? I think a great many would disagree with you, on his dream dying, including two term president Barack Obama, whose won the Presidency of the United State in 2008 with the largest margin in history of any non-incumbent, running for the office.

As far as great Americans killed by white men, I also include Abraham Lincoln, and John F Kennedy. A pretty fast crowd, by any reckoning. The color of their killer is certainly not the first thing remembered of them, nor should it be of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.. Have a nice Martin Luther King National Holiday evening, IM2.

 

[MarcATL]

No.

Another man killed MLK.

His followers who got greedy and narcissistic killed his dream.

They throw MLK verbage in peoples faces all the time, but they DO NOT LIVE WHAT THEY PREACH!
Everything they do is OPPOSITE of what MLK wanted from all people, not just whites or blacks.

Anybody that spews MLK at me, I KNOW they are hypocrites!

What was MLK's message?

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Oh no, really? That completely changes my world view! I will repent! I will burn myself to a crispy black hue! I will give you all my money to show how sorry I am!


Not.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

MLK was a great actor as well as a great speaker.

He preached a good game, but didn't live by his own words.
He was a womanizer and didn't have a private life that people think he had.

Yeah, he started out believing in what he was preaching, but like most humans...........the fame, popularity, and MONEY dragged him down to the level of a Hollywood mogul. Greed, power, and avarice consumed him. He wasn't killed for his speeches, he was killed because he became a liar and fraud.

I can't put the blame on him though. Being a black man during that time period, and being able to gain a following like he did.........not just blacks but whites and others as well.........it was an intoxication I'm sure. And he didn't seem to have anybody around him keeping him grounded either. They all wanted to make money off him.

He was a good man that wanted to do good things.........but he didn't keep himself on the path he wanted to walk.
He got sidetracked with fame, glory, and the sweet smell of greenbacks.

Had he a few people keeping him grounded, no matter what.......he could have been a turnaround mechanism for a lot of bad things in this country. But unfortunately, that was not the case towards the end.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

What was MLK's message?

Everybody should try and get along with each other, and base each others merits on their abilities and personalities, not their skin color.

 

[EMH]

Everybody should try and get along with each other, and base each others merits on their abilities and personalities, not their skin color.

MLK would be booed out of today's Dem Party...

 

[IM2]

I remember it pretty much the same as the OP. By the time MLK was shot, most of the country had turned against him - largely because he changed his position on the Vietnam War.

One might mention that people working as laborers on farms at the time when slavery was extant in the American South were getting barely subsistence wages, and essentially none of them accumulated any personal estate. If you deduct the cost of feeding, clothing, sheltering, and maintaining the slaves from the imputed wages, there is basically nothing left.

The economic argument falls on its figurative face. Which is not to say that some reparations can't be justified.

But it's all just mental masturbation anyway. Reparations WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Deal with it.

Why is it that other groups can get reparations for things that happened before you were alive but blacks can't?

 

[IM2]

MLK would be booed out of today's Dem Party...

No he wouldn't. I really think you republicans need to stop lying. It was a democrat that got King out of doing hard labor in a Georgia prison-Kennedy. Nixon refused to help.

 

[IM2]

Though the majority of your post was not about your title, and it was a good post, are you sure on MLK day, that is what you want to remember about him, that his dream died at the hands of a white man? If it died, why are you even posting? I think a great many would disagree with you, on his dream dying, including two term president Barack Obama, whose won the Presidency of the United State in 2008 with the largest margin in history of any non-incumbent, running for the office.

As far as great Americans killed by white men, I also include Abraham Lincoln, and John F Kennedy. A pretty fast crowd, by any reckoning. The color of their killer is certainly not the first thing remembered of them, nor should it be of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.. Have a nice Martin Luther King National Holiday evening, IM2.

My title was made for the people who always try telling us blacks what King stood for while quoting one sentence. I think that King himself said his dream had turned into a nightmare.



Obama won in 2008 thanks to 75 percent of the non white vote. McCain got 55 percent of the white vote. So please do not lecture me.

I said what I did because far too many whites here want to instruct us on what King stood for and how we don't represent it. Neither Lincolns nor Kennedys words get used in an attempt to divert or dismiss the legitimate concerns blacks have pertaining to race today.

I remember a lot about King . I also know what King stood for and it was not to pretend that we don't see color only when blacks talk about race.

 

[White 6]

My title was made for the people who always try telling us blacks what King stood for while quoting one sentence. I think that King himself said his dream had turned into a nightmare.



Obama won in 2008 thanks to 75 percent of the non white vote. McCain got 55 percent of the white vote. So please do not lecture me.

I said what I did because far too many whites here want to instruct us on what King stood for and how we don't represent it. Neither Lincolns nor Kennedys words get used in an attempt to divert or dismiss the legitimate concerns blacks have pertaining to race today.

I remember a lot about King . I also know what King stood for and it was not to pretend that we don't see color only when blacks talk about race.

I only lecture you when you deserve it, for going about your mission wrong.

 

[westwall]

The racist who murdered Dr. King was white.

The asshole who assassinated Robert Kennedy was a person of color.

What the fuck the color of each assassin tells a reasonable person is a bit murky.

The OP is an illogical miasma.

As Chris Rock says, MLK was assassinated, JFK was assassinated, Tupac and biggie?

Them mutherfuckers got SHOT!

 

[AMart]

The dream ended for black Amerikkkans who have since then have engaged in a genocidal rampage against whites for 6 decades. You bought the Marxist narrative from people who destroyed your own family.

 

[IM2]

I only lecture you when you deserve it, for going about your mission wrong.

You have no right to lecture me at all. Every year on MLK Day it's the same garbage and no one checks that. I was correct in what I said and I certainly don't need a lecture about what and what not to remember about King. How about you remember that he was not about the fake colorblind view of things used only when blacks talk about race. Where are you in threads by whites talking about what blacks need fto do according to opinions based on racist beliefs? I haven't seen any lectures in those places.

 

[Markle]

Even Though He Is Revered Today, MLK Was Widely Disliked by the American Public When He Was Killed​

Seventy-five percent of Americans disapproved of the civil rights leader as he spoke out against the Vietnam War and economic disparity

Even Though He Is Revered Today, MLK Was Widely Disliked by the American Public When He Was Killed

Seventy-five percent of Americans disapproved of the civil rights leader as he spoke out against the Vietnam War and economic disparity

www.smithsonianmag.com

It's time the lies stopped. A white man murdered King. A right wing racist. So spare us the right wing opinion of what King meant. People here are running their mouths about modern blacks and riots:

Here is what King said about that.

"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met."

King said that more than 50 years ago. There are whites who still don't hear, then mouth off about the riots their refusal to listen have caused. There are whites here running their mouths about reparations:

Here is what King said about that.

“Few people consider the fact that in addition to being enslaved for two centuries, the Negro was during all those years robbed of the wages of his toil. No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries. Not all the wealth of this affluent society could meet the bill. Yet, a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes.

The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the Government of special compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law. Such measures would certainly be less expensive than any computation based on two centuries of unpaid wages and accumulated interest.”

“It is my great feeling that a massive program must be developed by the federal government to bring new hope into being. Among the many vital jobs to be done, the Nation must not only radically readjust its attitude toward the Negro and the compelling present, but must incorporate in its planning some compensatory consideration for the handicaps he has inherited from the past. It is impossible to create a formula for the future which does not take into account that our society has been doing something special against the Negro for hundreds of years.”

And for those who dare to think King would oppose groups like Black Lives Matter:

Here is what King said about that.

Where do we go from here? First, we must massively assert our dignity and worth. We must stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an unassailable and majestic sense of values. We must no longer be ashamed of being black. The job of arousing manhood within a people that have been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. Even semantics have conspired to make that which is black seem ugly and degrading. In Roget’s Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness and at least sixty of them are offensive, such words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better than a black lie. The most degenerate member of a family is the “black sheep.”

Ossie Davis has suggested that maybe the English language should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense of superiority. The tendency to ignore the Negro’s contribution to American life and strip him of his personhood is as old as the earliest history books and as contemporary as the morning’s newspaper.

To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian manhood. Any movement for the Negro’s freedom that overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be buried. As long as the mind is enslaved, the body can never be free. Psychological freedom, a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful weapon against the long night of physical slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of freedom. The Negro will only be free when he reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say to himself and to the world, “I am somebody. I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. I have a rich and noble history, however painful and exploited that history has been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents, and now I’m not ashamed of that. I’m ashamed of the people who were so sinful to make me a slave.” Yes, yes, we must stand up and say, “I’m black, but I’m black and beautiful.”

On April 4, 1968, a white man ended King's dream. So the last thing we blacks need to hear or read is a bunch of white people who can only misquote one sentence King spoke in his life trying to tell us what King stood for.

In 2019, who killed 7,484 blacks? That would be 6,425 blacks.

 

[MarcATL]

Everybody should try and get along with each other, and base each others merits on their abilities and personalities, not their skin color.

That wasn't his message. Why are you lying about it?

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

That wasn't his message. Why are you lying about it?

I can only relay the message.
I can't understand it for you, since you are obviously a level of stupid nobodys seen before.

 

[MarcATL]

I can only relay the message.
I can't understand it for you, since you are obviously a level of stupid nobodys seen before.

Why did white Americans hated him for that message, so much so that they killed him for it?

 

[White 6]

You have no right to lecture me at all. Every year on MLK Day it's the same garbage and no one checks that. I was correct in what I said and I certainly don't need a lecture about what and what not to remember about King. How about you remember that he was not about the fake colorblind view of things used only when blacks talk about race. Where are you in threads by whites talking about what blacks need fto do according to opinions based on racist beliefs? I haven't seen any lectures in those places.

Grow up. I have every right. It is a public board, and I was not unfair. You lecture people constantly, so you can take it, move on, and just find some peace, that we are not going to agree on this. Surprising you would whine and then go to what aboutism. You don't work for me as a subordinate supervisor or junior officer, I do not owe you taking you behind closed doors out of the public view to express my opinion. Sorry you do not like it, but it is an opinion board where all voices count in the public forum. Buck up and get over it.

 

[MarcATL]

Grow up. I have every right. It is a public board, and I was not unfair. You lecture people constantly, so you can take it, move on, and just find some peace, that we are not going to agree on this. Surprising you would whine and then go to what aboutism. You don't work for me as a subordinate supervisor or junior officer, I do not owe you taking you behind closed doors out of the public view to express my opinion. Sorry you do not like it, but it is an opinion board where all voices count in the public forum. Buck up and get over it.

That said, you should consider what IM2 said.

There's credence to the fact that you're quick to pounce on him for every perceived or real slight in these precincts, rather than the legion of white racist posters on this site that post racist and incendiary drivel on this site non-stop.

You can't address one and not the other.

 

[bodecea]

Even Though He Is Revered Today, MLK Was Widely Disliked by the American Public When He Was Killed​

Seventy-five percent of Americans disapproved of the civil rights leader as he spoke out against the Vietnam War and economic disparity

Even Though He Is Revered Today, MLK Was Widely Disliked by the American Public When He Was Killed

Seventy-five percent of Americans disapproved of the civil rights leader as he spoke out against the Vietnam War and economic disparity

www.smithsonianmag.com

It's time the lies stopped. A white man murdered King. A right wing racist. So spare us the right wing opinion of what King meant. People here are running their mouths about modern blacks and riots:

Here is what King said about that.

"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met."

King said that more than 50 years ago. There are whites who still don't hear, then mouth off about the riots their refusal to listen have caused. There are whites here running their mouths about reparations:

Here is what King said about that.

“Few people consider the fact that in addition to being enslaved for two centuries, the Negro was during all those years robbed of the wages of his toil. No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries. Not all the wealth of this affluent society could meet the bill. Yet, a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes.

The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the Government of special compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law. Such measures would certainly be less expensive than any computation based on two centuries of unpaid wages and accumulated interest.”

“It is my great feeling that a massive program must be developed by the federal government to bring new hope into being. Among the many vital jobs to be done, the Nation must not only radically readjust its attitude toward the Negro and the compelling present, but must incorporate in its planning some compensatory consideration for the handicaps he has inherited from the past. It is impossible to create a formula for the future which does not take into account that our society has been doing something special against the Negro for hundreds of years.”

And for those who dare to think King would oppose groups like Black Lives Matter:

Here is what King said about that.

Where do we go from here? First, we must massively assert our dignity and worth. We must stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an unassailable and majestic sense of values. We must no longer be ashamed of being black. The job of arousing manhood within a people that have been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. Even semantics have conspired to make that which is black seem ugly and degrading. In Roget’s Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness and at least sixty of them are offensive, such words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better than a black lie. The most degenerate member of a family is the “black sheep.”

Ossie Davis has suggested that maybe the English language should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense of superiority. The tendency to ignore the Negro’s contribution to American life and strip him of his personhood is as old as the earliest history books and as contemporary as the morning’s newspaper.

To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian manhood. Any movement for the Negro’s freedom that overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be buried. As long as the mind is enslaved, the body can never be free. Psychological freedom, a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful weapon against the long night of physical slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of freedom. The Negro will only be free when he reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say to himself and to the world, “I am somebody. I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. I have a rich and noble history, however painful and exploited that history has been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents, and now I’m not ashamed of that. I’m ashamed of the people who were so sinful to make me a slave.” Yes, yes, we must stand up and say, “I’m black, but I’m black and beautiful.”

On April 4, 1968, a white man ended King's dream. So the last thing we blacks need to hear or read is a bunch of white people who can only misquote one sentence King spoke in his life trying to tell us what King stood for.

Whitesplainin'.....similar to mansplainin'