Let's Take A Poll Of Minimum Wage Workers In Here

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Our minimum wage has not gone up because Republicans have fought against it for the last 13 years

Forget about a living wage, our minimum wage does not even provide a decent starting wage. A worker can't pay for college, can't buy a car. can't afford an apartment. Can't do the basic things a worker needs to do to get started in life

I get tired of hearing about the plight of small business. Over the last 13 years their rents have gone up, supplies have gone up, taxes have gone up....the wage they pay hasn't

Costs have gone up and they have gone up for their workers also. Education, gas, car costs, rents....have all gone up
Wages haven't

and taxes in blue states whose fault is that? When I kidin chicago I could buy 3 packs of smoke what I made an hour. Today you can not even buy one pack. But today you can buy 2 packs in South Carolina on Minimum wage.

And you didn't have to buy car insurance back then either

I had to buy car insurance. But you could afford to buy a car and insurance and gas and even take your girlfriend to the movies on what you made on minimum wage back then

I didn't do that though. I paid my way through college on minimum wage jobs

You can't do that today and conservatives gloat over how inept and useless minimum wage employees are

Me, too. I worked in a restaurant for 3 years then I got a job at a really nice department store for my senior year. 25% employee discount! And I managed to have a life and pay my tuition, too.

 

[NYcarbineer]

My book? You assume I'm a Christian? And why the ad hominem?

By all means a corporation should exploit "the working class" (nice term there--shows a lot). The MAIN goal of corporation is to make profit.

Now if we had educated and reasonable citizens, this system would go if without a hitch. The citizens (notice I didn't include "class"?) would control the market. A big bad evil money making corporation tries to exploit the citizens, and the corporation goes out of business. No one buys their shit. They get no money. Corporations are dependent on us--not the other way around, as you Marxist want the masses in classes to believe.

But no, we have continuous ideological subversion from the oligarchy that you worship to reign tighter controls on corporations, businesses, property individuals, etc. Your infusing this command economy into the "poor class", dividing people, instilling a belief that they can live without your government's good graces, invading their entire daily life's activities, and reaping more control so you can eventually have a whole world of classes of people who think what you want, eat what you tell them, work where you tell them, and give you more and more of their hard earned wages as you constantly remind them life without you would be horrible. Your like the white tank top wife beating trailer trash with cheap beer spittle on his shirt and the "classes" (masses) of sheeple are is your bitch that you smack around when you get drunk.

And you want to talk about exploiting people? Ha!

You say:

"By all means a corporation should exploit "the working class""

And what if the working class votes otherwise? What if democracy gets in the way of your corporatist oligarchical utopia?

Do you know that by 2 to 1 Americans support raising the minimum wage? If you believe so much in the sanctity of free markets,

how about the free market of the vote? How about the free market of the People deciding where the minimum wage should be?

How about those of you who are in a very small minority of opinion on the minimum wage show some respect for the opinion of an overwhelming majority?

Or must democracy cede its place at the table to the 'market'?

I don't believe in the idea classes. It harkens back to feudalism and is echoed in the very fundamentals of Marxism. Both have been tried and are proven failures. In fact, communism has killed more people in the last 100 years than just about anything. It's vile and divisive, and the concept really serves no other purpose than to deceive people in an effort to gain control.

I also do not think America is a "democracy". Democracy has become a buzzword for neo-Marxists. Marxists in general are probably decent people with good intentions, but are too stubborn to realize it's a failed system. The path leads to destruction. But not this time, they say. This time we'll get it right!

Having cleared up those two terms, I'll attempt to address your point. As you can tell, I am by no means a credible economist. So don't be too harsh.

Oh crap, another term. Oligarchy. I believe THAT is exactly what you wish for. For with your continuous onslaught of regulation and more and more controls, you wish to put the majority of the nation's wealth into the hands of very powerful few (head of government--many positions being held by CEOs themselves). Your government and these large corporations you so despise will eventually (as if not already) be one. Then it can distribute the money as it sees fit to the classes. Oh, won't that be splendid! Let them eat cake!

But, to finally answer your question, if this dumbing-down, division, and creation of ever growing larger class of people dependent on your holy mercy, is convinced it needs to interfere with the free market (terrible dumb consumers) and uses the system of voting to get its way, then I suppose we'll be one step closer to your Marxist Utopia--and thus another failed attempt at that despicable form of government.

Child labor? If there's a market for it?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Our minimum wage has not gone up because Republicans have fought against it for the last 13 years

Forget about a living wage, our minimum wage does not even provide a decent starting wage. A worker can't pay for college, can't buy a car. can't afford an apartment. Can't do the basic things a worker needs to do to get started in life

I get tired of hearing about the plight of small business. Over the last 13 years their rents have gone up, supplies have gone up, taxes have gone up....the wage they pay hasn't

Costs have gone up and they have gone up for their workers also. Education, gas, car costs, rents....have all gone up
Wages haven't

and taxes in blue states whose fault is that? When I kidin chicago I could buy 3 packs of smoke what I made an hour. Today you can not even buy one pack. But today you can buy 2 packs in South Carolina on Minimum wage.

And you didn't have to buy car insurance back then either

I had to buy car insurance. But you could afford to buy a car and insurance and gas and even take your girlfriend to the movies on what you made on minimum wage back then

I didn't do that though. I paid my way through college on minimum wage jobs

You can't do that today and conservatives gloat over how inept and useless minimum wage employees are

I was just thinking about this (at work) do you mean to tell me you wen an entire year making MW? The last time I made MW was in 1982 and was for only a few months till I got a 25 cent raise. And I think you lie, I couldnt afford a new car or aparment until I was making $6 bucks n hour. (MW was $3.35 then)

 

[NYcarbineer]

How on Earth does one make this leap?

What exactly is wrong with you?

Learn to read and you'll understand. The other poster is blaming the worker for something or other,

and saying that he or she gets what they deserve with a minimum wage.

Therefore, raising the minimum wage is giving that person something they don't deserve.

...of course the poster is too stupid to realize that someone with 4 kids working for minimum wage is going to get the poster's tax money, and lots of it, to raise that family out of poverty, or at least to a better economic situation.

In short, the joke's on Pickle.

Who else do you blame for having 4 kids and being able to not do anything other than ask if I "want an apple pie with that?" See, that's the problem with you folks... you see the problem as being that the person doesn't earn enough. No, that's a symptom of the real problem which is partly that we have as a society disincentivised people from trying and not making poor choices. Now granted, some people have and always will make poor choices. But we have generations of people who've never done shit but work crappy jobs and/or suck off the system. Your type just demand that no matter what we just throw more money at them.

That never works... other than to create even more dependency.

So who are you attacking, exactly? The single mother who doesn't work, or the single mother who works?

Or both?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You obviously understand shit about economics. In an Obaman economy wages will sink for everyone, in a Reagan economy they rise for all.

The minimum wage was higher during the Reagan years than it is now, adjusted for inflation.

That was not a problem during the Reagan years. Do you understand? Few worked minimum wage so ask yourself why.

I don't know, maybe we could start with the zillion manufacturing jobs we had back then that are now gone.

I had a good union job back in the 80's. Maybe those are the kind of jobs back then that made Reagan look good.

 

[rightwinger]

and taxes in blue states whose fault is that? When I kidin chicago I could buy 3 packs of smoke what I made an hour. Today you can not even buy one pack. But today you can buy 2 packs in South Carolina on Minimum wage.

And you didn't have to buy car insurance back then either

I had to buy car insurance. But you could afford to buy a car and insurance and gas and even take your girlfriend to the movies on what you made on minimum wage back then

I didn't do that though. I paid my way through college on minimum wage jobs

You can't do that today and conservatives gloat over how inept and useless minimum wage employees are

I was just thinking about this (at work) do you mean to tell me you wen an entire year making MW? The last time I made MW was in 1982 and was for only a few months till I got a 25 cent raise. And I think you lie, I couldnt afford a new car or aparment until I was making $6 bucks n hour. (MW was $3.35 then)

1982

Who was President then?

Shows how shabby minimum wage has become since Reagan. I was making minimum wage in the 70s. Bout two bucks an hour

But a new car cost $2000, gas was 30 cents a gallon, an apartment about $150 a month, College $1000 a year

But then we started holding back minimum wage. Republicans made sure we had a cheap labor force. Hasn't been the same since

 

[NYcarbineer]

I'm bashing poor decisions. That poor-person-with-a-job in my example there has made terrible decisions. I should not have to pay for someone's terrible decisions. And if you are 32 with four kids and four baby daddies and working pt at mcdonalds on min wage, I am paying for your bad decisions. So yes, I'll bash away.

Don't waste your time with that idiot.

What he's doing is shitting on the thread, starting fights with anybody and everybody because he wants the thread moved.

Why? Because it's effective.

They're trying to turn the thread into a shit-throwing contest, then they'll PM the Mod and get it moved to one of the Boards that nobody goes to.

They do it every day.

You'd think the Mods would figure this out....

I want to know what's driving this minimum wage debate.

Does anybody in here honestly work for Minimum Wage?

Be honest..... Anybody?

That's what I thought. dimocraps are just getting their marching orders from OFA and polluting this Board with their bullshit propaganda messages.

This from the guy who said the other day that all mass shootings in America were done by liberals.

Speaking on the topic of polluting the board with bullshit.

See what I mean?

What political argument are you trying to make with this thread?

 

[healthmyths]

I made minimum wage when I was a kid. Then I went to work every day on time, did my job, didn't complain or start drama and got some valuable references to my work ethic. In addition to working many hours to pay my bills, I went to school to learn a trade.

That was several years ago. Now, I made substantially more than minimum wage and enjoy a middle class existence in the greatest country in the world.

That's how it is supposed to be done. Anyone older than 25 and still making minimum wage has made some terrible personal decisions. You aren't supposed to be making minimum wage at 32 with four kids in diapers running around bitching about no child support from their baby daddies and how the government NEEDS to do this and this and this for me and how you are entitled to this and...

FACTS...
In 2011 1.7 million earned exactly the prevailing Federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
About 2.2 million had wages below the minimum.

Together, these 3.8 million workers with wages at or below the Federal minimum made up 5.2 percent of all hourly-paid workers.
Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers: 2011

How many of those had a family paid rent,bought food???



Of the above chart from the US Census Bureau,
of the 3.8 million nearly 2 million are under 24 years old.
How many of those 24 year olds probably still live at home or have a 2nd job?

probably can take advantage of these FREE SERVICES:

People in poverty in the USA get:

a) Free Cell phone (my cell phone I PAY is about $100/month)
if the poor person receives just one of the below FREE entitlements:
* Food stamps * Medicaid * Section 8 * Supplemental Security Income * National School Lunch Program

b) 40 million Americans on food stamps get $200/month in free food.

it cost $75.7 billion in 2011 compared to $35 billion in 2008; and enrollment has hit an all-time high of 46.7 million recipients. Meanwhile, the number of children receiving free school lunches has inflated from 18 to 21 million — an unprecedented jump —
about 2.1 million households (6 million) use Section 8 the Housing Choice Voucher program, pays a large

c) portion of the rents and utilities of or the Housing Choice Voucher Program up to $1,000 /month in FREE housing...

So these people get
=== $ 5,666 in EIC cash,
=== $12,000 free housing ,
=== $ 2,400 free food,
=== $ 1,200 in free cell phone plus
=== $ 5,000 a year in free health care from Medicaid.
So this is about $26,000 a year in FREE MONEY, free goods and free services...


So again.. why are we raising these less then 2 million when they get the above for FREE???

 

[Wyatt earp]

I had to buy car insurance. But you could afford to buy a car and insurance and gas and even take your girlfriend to the movies on what you made on minimum wage back then

I didn't do that though. I paid my way through college on minimum wage jobs

You can't do that today and conservatives gloat over how inept and useless minimum wage employees are

I was just thinking about this (at work) do you mean to tell me you wen an entire year making MW? The last time I made MW was in 1982 and was for only a few months till I got a 25 cent raise. And I think you lie, I couldnt afford a new car or aparment until I was making $6 bucks n hour. (MW was $3.35 then)

1982

Who was President then?

Shows how shabby minimum wage has become since Reagan. I was making minimum wage in the 70s. Bout two bucks an hour

But a new car cost $2000, gas was 30 cents a gallon, an apartment about $150 a month, College $1000 a year

But then we started holding back minimum wage. Republicans made sure we had a cheap labor force. Hasn't been the same since

Dang you telling me my 71 Toino and 72 grand prix only costed 2 grand new? I remember my dad telling me the hospital bill when I was born in 65 was only $250 bucks. Don't you think the democrats and Feds have a hand in this too? The Dollar is worth crap compared to the YP's

 

[Wyatt earp]

I had to buy car insurance. But you could afford to buy a car and insurance and gas and even take your girlfriend to the movies on what you made on minimum wage back then

I didn't do that though. I paid my way through college on minimum wage jobs

You can't do that today and conservatives gloat over how inept and useless minimum wage employees are

I was just thinking about this (at work) do you mean to tell me you wen an entire year making MW? The last time I made MW was in 1982 and was for only a few months till I got a 25 cent raise. And I think you lie, I couldnt afford a new car or aparment until I was making $6 bucks n hour. (MW was $3.35 then)

1982

Who was President then?

Shows how shabby minimum wage has become since Reagan. I was making minimum wage in the 70s. Bout two bucks an hour

But a new car cost $2000, gas was 30 cents a gallon, an apartment about $150 a month, College $1000 a year

But then we started holding back minimum wage. Republicans made sure we had a cheap labor force. Hasn't been the same since

Dang you telling me my 71 Toino and 72 grand prix only costed 2 grand new? I remember my dad telling me the hospital bill when I was born in 65 was only $250 bucks. Don't you think the democrats and Feds have a hand in this too? The Dollar is worth crap compared to the YP's

 

[rightwinger]

I was just thinking about this (at work) do you mean to tell me you wen an entire year making MW? The last time I made MW was in 1982 and was for only a few months till I got a 25 cent raise. And I think you lie, I couldnt afford a new car or aparment until I was making $6 bucks n hour. (MW was $3.35 then)

1982

Who was President then?

Shows how shabby minimum wage has become since Reagan. I was making minimum wage in the 70s. Bout two bucks an hour

But a new car cost $2000, gas was 30 cents a gallon, an apartment about $150 a month, College $1000 a year

But then we started holding back minimum wage. Republicans made sure we had a cheap labor force. Hasn't been the same since

Dang you telling me my 71 Toino and 72 grand prix only costed 2 grand new? I remember my dad telling me the hospital bill when I was born in 65 was only $250 bucks. Don't you think the democrats and Feds have a hand in this too? The Dollar is worth crap compared to the YP's

You bought brand new Torinos and Grand Prix?

Where I was, most kids could only afford VWs, Dodge Darts and Chevy Novas

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I haven't made minimum wage since the 70's

 

[jasonnfree]

We share a concern for costs. That needs to be the focus, imo.

Raising minimum wage increases costs.

Wages shouldn't determined by the government. They should be determined by the market. The most an employer is going to pay someone is the least amount a person is willing to work in that position.

(wrote a bit more and was getting way off track, so erased)

I guess I have two questions:

1. If artificially (by artificial I mean government interfering in the free market) raising wages increases costs (which it will), how does that help?

2. Why not make the minimum wage $100/hr then?

Allowing wages to be controlled by the market is immoral, because it accepts the possibility, or likelihood, that the people in control of the money, and the corporations, and thus the jobs,

can use their power to exploit the working class to any every length they are able.

And they will, because as your book says, money is the root of all evil.

My book? You assume I'm a Christian? And why the ad hominem?

By all means a corporation should exploit "the working class" (nice term there--shows a lot). The MAIN goal of corporation is to make profit.

Now if we had educated and reasonable citizens, this system would go if without a hitch. The citizens (notice I didn't include "class"?) would control the market. A big bad evil money making corporation tries to exploit the citizens, and the corporation goes out of business. No one buys their shit. They get no money. Corporations are dependent on us--not the other way around, as you Marxist want the masses in classes to believe.

But no, we have continuous ideological subversion from the oligarchy that you worship to reign tighter controls on corporations, businesses, property individuals, etc. Your infusing this command economy into the "poor class", dividing people, instilling a belief that they can live without your government's good graces, invading their entire daily life's activities, and reaping more control so you can eventually have a whole world of classes of people who think what you want, eat what you tell them, work where you tell them, and give you more and more of their hard earned wages as you constantly remind them life without you would be horrible. Your like the white tank top wife beating trailer trash with cheap beer spittle on his shirt and the "classes" (masses) of sheeple are is your bitch that you smack around when you get drunk.

And you want to talk about exploiting people? Ha!

Although corporations used to have serving the public good as part of their mission and their charters could be easily revoked. The founders of this country didn't much like or trust corporations after their experiences with the British and the east india corporation. That's all been chiseled away. Now their mission is profit only, even if they destroy communities and pollute oceans, rivers, lakes and streams.