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You obviously haven't a clue how Lawyers work. Or your prsenting a red herring.
How do lawyers work? No red herring here I assure you.
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You obviously haven't a clue how Lawyers work. Or your prsenting a red herring.
Prosecutors especially only care about one thing.... winning. That however is NOT their job nor the mandate they are supposed to work under.
The Job of a prosecutor is to see justice is done for the PEOPLE he is representing. There should be NO ego and no desire to rack up a win column. That simply is NOT how it works. There are few lawyers that do NOT want to win at any cost. And there are even fewer prosecutors that do not want said wins.
It is a sad fact in this country that prosecutors routinely charge and convict people, not because they are guilty and not even because the prosecutor THINKS they are guilty, but because the win looks good.
Statistics show that people unable to hire their own lawyer are routinely convicted of crimes that a private lawyer would have won on. The best example of this would be In Wenatchee Washington about 10 or 15 years ago ( this is the one I remember best) A young girl claimed she was molested by a group of adults ( parents) and that this group routinely met and molested a host of children. Every person accused of the crime that didn't hire their own lawyer went to jail, every one that Hired their own was found Innocent.
The reason? The girl was a troubled kid that had lied in a similar matter before, there was absolutely NO real evidence , other then her word, that any of what she claimed had happened. The charges though were so sensational the community was up in arms demanding action.
Her foster father was the lead investigator and he also had a history of poor judgement and of not following procedures. The "evidence" of the other children supporting her statements were taped and when reviewed it was found they were manipulated by the interviewer, in essence they were coached on what to say and how to say it and it took many sessions to convince them to do THAT.
The prosecutor was well aware of all this BUT had no problem sending people to jail, not because they were guilty, but because he could get the appointed lawyers to plea them out. The win was all he cared about.
libby had a good lawyer and is a great lawyer hiself.
so now you have come down to saying our justice system is not just but corrupt and fitgerald is corrupt and THIS is why libby was charged with obstruction of justice and perjury etc?
sgt, it's time for you to end this shit of yours.
libby did lie under oath.
Tenet allowed false evidence lead us in to a war because he kept silent when the administration was touting it, for this he received an award.
And with Mike Brown and the way he handled Katrina, he got an award for the poor job and a position on the board investigating what went wrong after he resigned his position.
No one in the administration was held accountable for the lapse in our security for 9/11.
Libby stayed in his position until he was indicted.
Bin Laden was not held accountable for 9/11.
Illegal Immigrants should be rewarded with legal status and amnesty.
No one in the administration was held accountable for the HYPE and misleading statements regarding The nuclear threat from Saddam that they repeated over and over again in various different ways.
No one has been held accountable for breaking the 4th amendment, even though they half heartedly admitted they were wrong....
Gonzalez has been a disgrace as AG and he won't resign.
No oversight, the entire first 6 years.
They allowed Foley to stay on so that they could win the next election with him even though they knew for YEARS about his inappropriate behavior.
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I don't know Kathianne, there are a hundred other things I could bring up too that we have had no accountibility on since this administration has been in power....
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Prosecutors especially only care about one thing.... winning. That however is NOT their job nor the mandate they are supposed to work under.
RetiredGySgt: said:The Job of a prosecutor is to see justice is done for the PEOPLE he is representing. There should be NO ego and no desire to rack up a win column. That simply is NOT how it works. There are few lawyers that do NOT want to win at any cost. And there are even fewer prosecutors that do not want said wins.
RetiredGySgt: said:It is a sad fact in this country that prosecutors routinely charge and convict people, not because they are guilty and not even because the prosecutor THINKS they are guilty, but because the win looks good.
RetiredGySgt: said:Statistics show that people unable to hire their own lawyer are routinely convicted of crimes that a private lawyer would have won on. The best example of this would be In Wenatchee Washington about 10 or 15 years ago ( this is the one I remember best) A young girl claimed she was molested by a group of adults ( parents) and that this group routinely met and molested a host of children. Every person accused of the crime that didn't hire their own lawyer went to jail, every one that Hired their own was found Innocent.
RetiredGySgt: said:The reason? The girl was a troubled kid that had lied in a similar matter before, there was absolutely NO real evidence , other then her word, that any of what she claimed had happened. The charges though were so sensational the community was up in arms demanding action.
Her foster father was the lead investigator and he also had a history of poor judgement and of not following procedures. The "evidence" of the other children supporting her statements were taped and when reviewed it was found they were manipulated by the interviewer, in essence they were coached on what to say and how to say it and it took many sessions to convince them to do THAT.
The prosecutor was well aware of all this BUT had no problem sending people to jail, not because they were guilty, but because he could get the appointed lawyers to plea them out. The win was all he cared about.
Remind me again how your unpartisan position is that Libby not only outed her but specifically said she was covert. That his conviction is proof the Vice president committed treason. The one flinging shit is YOU.
You are aware who appointed tenant aren't you?
Remind us again of your Moderate Unpartisan position.
Waiting for that retraction.... Or an explanation.
yes, i am aware that he was a carryover from clinton's admin, the ONE carryover that president Bush decided to KEEP on HIS staff. (i can do THAT too) sooooo what sgt? you are so reaching and such a partisan hack it is getting a little pathetic at this point... at least put up a good solid argument with some sort of support for your opinion instead of your partisan crap of putting words in others mouths and callig names. gees...
i am a moderate Democrat, i have never denied my thinking and outlook in politics leans towards the Democratic side of the aisle. I disagree with some positions of the Democratic party, but for the most part, i agree with them on the thinking behind their policy, not necessarily the results they get from it.
as i have said before, i think libby took the fall for his loyalty... although, i am certain he did not think judith miller would have to testify against her source and that fitzy would incarcerate her for not revealing him...same with the other reporters that were informed about plame, i am pretty certain that NO ONE thought they could be forced to testify against their sources....
sgt, i am sorry this upsets you so much, but my views on this won't change at this point from all that i have read.
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In fact it is a smaller sentence to out someone than it is to obstruct justice, if memory serves.
No asshat, the courts have ruled on Libby. I'm using compare and contrast, a higher order reasoning proposition. Get with the program. Libby is toast, unless Bush pardons him, which seems highly unlikely, considering he serves no purpose, much like the base of the GOP.
Well the standard as provided to us by the democrats is if a democrat lies it is a OK. I wonder why?
What "leader" of the Republican party lied under oath? We DO have the Democratic President last in Office for Lying under oath, remind me again how HE was punished. We have Sandy Burger stealing classified documents IN a time of war, remind me of his punishment and contrast it to Libby.
We have as example of Obstruction of Justice McDougal in the Clinton affairs, remind me how Libby is proof of Vice President Cheney's guilt but McDougal is not proof of Clinton's guilty.
And we have people claiming that NO evidence is all they need to claim the Vice President is guilty of Treason.... LAST I checked one has to have a minimum of 2 EYE witnesses to even get someone on treason, not even one exists in this case.
What "leader" of the Republican party lied under oath? We DO have the Democratic President last in Office for Lying under oath, remind me again how HE was punished. We have Sandy Burger stealing classified documents IN a time of war, remind me of his punishment and contrast it to Libby.
We have as example of Obstruction of Justice McDougal in the Clinton affairs, remind me how Libby is proof of Vice President Cheney's guilt but McDougal is not proof of Clinton's guilty.
And we have people claiming that NO evidence is all they need to claim the Vice President is guilty of Treason.... LAST I checked one has to have a minimum of 2 EYE witnesses to even get someone on treason, not even one exists in this case.
Wow, a big fish if we ever heard of such.![]()
ok? It's all because of the administration? They may have had the right goals and been fu in implementation, so wtf?
Even some in the liberal media reported Plame was not covert.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-cia-wilson_x.htm
I'm asking YOU directly, RetiredGySgt, do you approve of your party leaders lying under oath and to FBI investigators. Don't try to wriggle away by using democrats. They aren't going to help you square your position...
RGS whines... when the democrats lie, that means we of the law and order party and the party of family values, can lie too...
I don't agree. You either are for law and order or you aren't. When you try to excuse those that have broken the law by saying others have too, it doesn't make your arguement valid... au contraire... it makes your arguement pathetic...
So, I'll reiterate... I'm asking YOU directly, RetiredGySgt, do you approve of your party leaders lying under oath and to FBI investigators.