Libs going after patriotic nationalists again

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Whites owned slaves and some whites with the help of black folks ended slavery and then whites went to Jim Crow.

All whites?

Do you even know any details of history?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Dude, countries can't have morals. But what do you care, morals are just human constructs, right? They can be anything man says they are, right?

When has the majority of white folks in this country had morals?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

All whites?

Do you even know any details of history?

What whites did not benefit from slavery or Jim Crow?

 

[Curried Goats]

Good Lord, you are dense. You did not link to the post where I said despicable Democrats because I never said that other than to question you and point out that I didn't say despicable democrats. That was you putting words into my mouth.

That was me paraphrasing. I didn't realize you were being a little pedantic bitch. That's even funnier....

I genuinely thought you were just stupid and missed it. Look at the lengths you'll go to to avoid naming those Democrats who endeavored to continue and expand slavery. Not so tough anymore are when it comes time to name them.

I get you are afraid of going 1v1 in the bull ring. It's ok. I totally understand.

How can I be afraid of something you're still too pussy to explain to me?

 

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When has the majority of white folks in this country had morals?

Again... what are morals to you? It's almost as if you place some undue importance on morality.

 

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What whites did not benefit from slavery or Jim Crow?

Is that a no, you don't know any details of history.

Ok, here you go.

Very few people today know that in 1808 Congress abolished the slave trade. That's because by the 1820's, most of the Founding Fathers were dead and Thomas Jefferson's party, the Democratic Party, which was founded in 1792, had become the majority party in Congress. With this new party a change in congressional policy on slavery emerged. The 1789 law that prohibited slavery in federal territory was reversed when the Democratic Congress passed the Missouri Compromise in 1820. Several States were subsequently admitted as slave States. Slavery was being officially promoted by congressional policy by a Democratically controlled Congress.

Missouri Compromise - Wikipedia

16th United States Congress - Wikipedia


The Democratic party policy of promoting slavery ignored the principles in the founding document.

"The first step of the slaveholder to justify by argument the peculiar institutions [of slavery] is to deny the self-evident truths of the Declaration of Independence. He denies that all men are created equal. He denies that they have inalienable rights." President John Quincy Adams, The Hingham Patriot, June 29, 1839

In 1850 the Democrats passed the Fugitive Slave Law. That law required Northerners to return escaped slaves back into slavery or pay huge fines. The Fugitive Slave Law made anti-slavery citizens in the North and their institutions responsible for enforcing slavery. The Fugitive Slave Law was sanctioned kidnapping. The Fugitive Slave Law was disastrous for blacks in the North. The Law allowed Free Blacks to be carried into slavery. 20,000 blacks from the North left the United States and fled to Canada. The Underground Railroad reached its peak of activity as a result of the Fugitive Slave Law.

Fugitive Slave Act - 1850

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Act_of_1850

Fugitive Slave Act

31st United States Congress - Wikipedia In 1854, the Democratically controlled Congress passed another law strengthening slavery, the Kansas-Nebraska act. Even though slavery was expanded into federal territories in 1820 by the Democratically controlled Congress, a ban on slavery was retained in the Kansas Nebraska territory. But through the Kansas-Nebraska Act, Democrats vastly expanded the national area where slavery was permitted as the Kansas and Nebraska territories comprised parts of Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, and Idaho. The Democrats were pushing slavery westward across the nation.

The History Place - Abraham Lincoln: Kansas-Nebraska Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas–Nebraska_Act

Frederick Douglas believed that the 3/5th clause is an anti-slavery clause. Not a pro-slavery clause. Frederick Douglas believed that the Constitution was an anti-slavery document.

(1860) Frederick Douglass, “the Constitution of the United States: Is It Pro-Slavery or Anti-slavery?” | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed

What Did Frederick Douglass Believe About the U.S. Constitution? | The Classroom | Synonym

http://townhall.com/columnists/kenb...onstitution_did_not_condone_slavery/page/full

And so did others.

In May of 1854, following the passage of these pro-slavery laws in Congress, a number of anti-slavery Democrats along with some anti-slavery members from other parties, including the Whigs, Free-Soilers, and Emancipationists formed a new party to fight slavery and secure equal civil rights. The name of the new party? The Republican Party. It was named the Republican Party because they wanted to return to the principles of freedom set forth in the governing documents of the Republic before pro-slavery members of Congress had perverted those original principles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Republican_Party

Republican Party founded - Mar 20, 1854 - HISTORY.com

Republican Party - The Republican Party In The New Millennium

The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow. Jim Crow Stories . Republican Party | PBS

"The Democratic Party had become the dominant political party in America in the 1820s, [30] and in May 1854, in response to the strong pro-slavery positions of the Democrats, several anti-slavery Members of Congress formed an anti-slavery party – the Republican Party. [31] It was founded upon the principles of equality originally set forth in the governing documents of the Republic. In an 1865 publication documenting the history of black voting rights, Philadelphia attorney John Hancock confirmed that the Declaration of Independence set forth “equal rights to all. It contains not a word nor a clause regarding color. Nor is there any provision of the kind to be found in the Constitution of the United States.”

The History of Black Voting Rights [Great read!]

In 1856, the Democratic platform strongly defended slavery. According to the Democrats of 1856, ending slavery would be dangerous and would ruin the happiness of the people.

“All efforts of the abolitionists... are calculated to lead to the most alarming and dangerous consequences and all such efforts have an inevitable tendency to diminish the happiness of the people.” McKee, The National...Platforms, Democratic Platform of 1856, p.91

In 1857, a Democratically controlled Supreme Court delivered the Dred Scott decision, declaring that blacks were not persons or citizens but instead were property and therefore had no rights. In effect, Democrats believed slaves were property that could be disposed of at the will of its owner.

Democrats on the Court announced that "blacks had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the Negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He was bought and sold, and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever a profit could be made by it." Dred Scott at 407 (1856)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

The History Place - Abraham Lincoln: Dred Scott Decision

Dred Scott

Dred Scott: Democratic Reaction

The Democratic Platform for 1860 supported both the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 and the Dred Scott decision of 1857. The Democrats even handed out copies of the Dred Scott decision with their platform to affirm that it was proper to hold African Americans in bondage.

2. Inasmuch as difference of opinion exists in the Democratic party as to the nature and extent of the powers of a Territorial Legislature, and as to the powers and duties of Congress, under the Constitution of the United States, over the institution of slavery within the Territories, Resolved, That the Democratic party will abide by the decision of the Supreme Court of the United States upon these questions of Constitutional Law.

6. Resolved, That the enactments of the State Legislatures to defeat the faithful execution of the Fugitive Slave Law, are hostile in character, subversive of the Constitution, and revolutionary in their effect.

Avalon Project - Democratic Party Platform; June 18, 1860

The Republican platform of 1860, on the other hand, blasted both the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 and the Dred Scott decision of 1857 and announced its continued intent to end slavery and secure equal civil rights for black Americans.

2. That the maintenance of the principles promulgated in the Declaration of Independence and embodied in the Federal Constitution, "That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed," is essential to the preservation of our Republican institutions; and that the Federal Constitution, the rights of the states, and the Union of the states, must and shall be preserved.

5. That the present Democratic Administration has far exceeded our worst apprehension in its measureless subserviency to the exactions of a sectional interest, as is especially evident in its desperate exertions to force the infamous Lecompton constitution upon the protesting people of Kansas - in construing the personal relation between master and servant to involve an unqualified property in persons - in its attempted enforcement everywhere, on land and sea, through the intervention of congress and of the federal courts, of the extreme pretensions of a purely local interest, and in its general and unvarying abuse of the power entrusted to it by a confiding people.

7. That the new dogma that the Constitution of its own force carries slavery into any or all of the territories of the United States, is a dangerous political heresy, at variance with the explicit provisions of that instrument itself, with cotemporaneous exposition, and with legislative and judicial precedent, is revolutionary in its tendency and subversive of the peace and harmony of the country.

8. That the normal condition of all the territory of the United States is that of freedom; that as our republican fathers, when they had abolished slavery in all our national territory, ordained that no "person should be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law," it becomes our duty, by legislation, whenever such legislation is necessary, to maintain this provision of the constitution against all attempts to violate it; and we deny the authority of congress, of a territorial legislature, or of any individuals, to give legal existence to slavery in any territory of the United States.

9. That we brand the recent re-opening of the African Slave Trade, under the cover of our national flag, aided by perversions of judicial power, as a crime against humanity, and a burning shame to our country and age, and we call upon congress to take prompt and efficient measures for the total and final suppression of that execrable traffic.

10. That in the recent vetoes by the federal governors of the acts of the Legislatures of Kansas and Nebraska, prohibiting slavery in those territories, we find a practical illustration of the boasted democratic principle of non- intervention and popular sovereignty, embodied in the Kansas-Nebraska bill, and a demonstration of the deception and fraud involved therein.
Republican Party National Platform, 1860


Republicans freed the slaves, Democrats in the North and the South fought against it.

January 31, 1865
13th Amendment banning slavery was passed by U.S. House of Representatives with unanimous Republican support and intense Democrat opposition.

April 8, 1865
13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. Senate with 100% Republican support and 63% Democrat opposition.

November 22, 1865
Republicans denounce Democrat legislature of Mississippi for enacting “Black Codes,” which institutionalized racial discrimination.

February 5, 1866
U.S. Rep. Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) introduces legislation, successfully opposed by Democrat President Andrew Johnson, to implement “40 acres and a mule” relief by distributing land to former slaves.

April 9, 1866
Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Johnson’s veto, and the Civil Rights Act of 1866, conferring rights of citizenship on African-Americans, becomes law.

May 10, 1866
U.S. House passes the Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens, with 100% of Democrats voting no.

June 8, 1866
U.S. Senate passes the Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the law to all citizens, where 94% of Republicans vote yes and 100% of Democrats vote no.

January 8, 1867
Republicans override Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of law granting voting rights to African-Americans in D.C.

July 19, 1867
Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of legislation protecting voting rights of African-Americans.

March 30, 1868
Republicans begin impeachment trial of Democrat President Andrew Johnson, who declared: “This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government of white men”.

Yoar welcome

 

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That was me paraphrasing. I didn't realize you were being a little pedantic bitch. That's even funnier....

I genuinely thought you were just stupid and missed it. Look at the lengths you'll go to to avoid naming those Democrats who endeavored to continue and expand slavery. Not so tough anymore are when it comes time to name them.

How can I be afraid of something you're still too pussy to explain to me?

oh, right. That was you paraphrasing what I said because you heard despicable in your pointy little head and then proceeded to bash me for the words you put in my mouth that I never spoke. I can tell you are going extremely successful in life with that kind of behavior. Congratulations.

 

[Curried Goats]

oh, right. That was you paraphrasing what I said because you heard despicable in your pointy little head and then proceeded to bash me for the words you put in my mouth that I never spoke. I can tell you are going extremely successful in life with that kind of behavior. Congratulations.

So.... you don't think the Democrats who tried to continue and extend slavery were despicable? That was erroneous paraphrasing by me that you want to set the record on?

These are the types of dumb arguments you fall into when you aren't making real ones...

 

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So.... you don't think the Democrats who tried to continue and extend slavery were despicable? That was erroneous paraphrasing by me that you want to set the record on?

These are the types of dumb arguments you fall into when you aren't making real ones...

No, I don't. It was pretty normal back then even though some people back then knew it was wrong. That's how most things are in history. Truth is discovered through a conflict and confusion process. Right and wrong isn't relative. People are relative. It takes time for truth to be discovered. But it makes no sense in not telling the whole story or demonizing people who ended up on the wrong side of right.

 

[Curried Goats]

No, I don't. It was pretty normal back then even though some people back then knew it was wrong. That's how most things are in history. Truth is discovered through a conflict and confusion process. Right and wrong isn't relative. People are relative. It takes time for truth to be discovered. But it makes no sense in not telling the whole story or demonizing people who ended up on the wrong side of right.

So you think it's wrong to demonize Confederate Democrats and their shitty culture? Glad I could get you to clear that up.

 

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So you think it's wrong to demonize Confederate Democrats and their shitty culture? Glad I could get you to clear that up.

I love how your righteous indignation confirms your belief in absolute morals.

 

[Curried Goats]

I love how your righteous indignation confirms your belief in absolute morals.

I love how you have to imagine that because you're incapable of proving it in an actual argument.

 

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I love how you have to imagine that because you're incapable of proving it in an actual argument.

I couldn't be happier for you to believe that.

 

[Curried Goats]

I couldn't be happier for you to believe that.

I'll continue to believe it until you manage a rational argument and explain to me why morality can't be entirely subjective.

 

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I'll continue to believe it until you manage a rational argument and explain to me why morality can't be entirely subjective.

Good for you. Hope that helps you.

 

[Curried Goats]

Good for you. Hope that helps you.

You running away does help me laugh at you, thanks for acknowledging that. I appreciate it as I do the running away.

 

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You running away does help me laugh at you, thanks for acknowledging that. I appreciate it as I do the running away.

Couldn't care less how you see it. The record speaks for itself.

 

[Curried Goats]

Couldn't care less how you see it. The record speaks for itself.

The record of science that argues morality is subjective?

 

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The record of science that argues morality is subjective?

If that's what you think that works in my favor. Your righteous indignation of slavery says otherwise. You can't be righteously indignant about slavery and believe morals are relative.

 

[Curried Goats]

If that's what you think that works in my favor. Your righteous indignation of slavery says otherwise. You can't be righteously indignant about slavery and believe morals are relative.

Righteously indignant is your pejorative, not mine. I can personally dislike slavery and slavers while recognizing other people feel differently. Some people which to venerate slavers and wouldn't argue that this desire is wrong.... I'm making fun of you for pretending I should be concerned about historical democrats that you actually respect. I'm making fun of you for being too ashamed of what you support to do it proudly.